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Durbs
Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
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Posted:This came out of a conversation I was having with another HoPper.



Do peole here spin for social reasons - i.e. to meet people, to go to places/events, to intereact/teach with others

or for selfish reasons - they love doing it, they love self-improving and (possibly) the ego-inflation it creates?



Just to clarify - I don't mean "selfish" in a negative way - perhaps "self-motivated" would be better, nor do I mean ego-inflating in a bad way - just that warm feeling you get when you know you're good (or at least getting better) at something?



Is there a difference? Do they go hand-in-hand? Is there a right and wrong reason to spin? (No wink )



Just curious smile


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^^francesca^^
me!
Location: Bournemouth
Member Since: 9th Apr 2004
Total posts: 121
Posted:sadly my social circles have a very controlled hierachy ....and any act persued outside of shopping, guys, anorexia, shopping, the piss taking of the less socially gifted, and shopping is inconceivably wrong.......so i don't do it to make myself look in anyway better coz i know most just take the piss anyway! i also don't do it to meet new people....... i do it simply for the enjoyment.........i spose it also helps me escape because it's hard to think of anything else when doing it....... peace

was hibernating through winter.....oh and summer i spose...ok im just lazy

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SpitFire
Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 2723
Posted:Ultimately, I spin for myself. When I first got into spinning, it was a personal challenge to see if I could do it at all.

As I began picking up tricks, I watched one of the first Houston Spinners with awe and set a goal for myself to become as good as he was and is. He's still one of the most graceful spinners I know...his transitions are very fluid and his "dance" moves are incredibly graceful. I still strive to be *that* good. I'm a perfectionist, for the most part, so when I try something new, I practice until I get it perfect.

I learned that things aren't perfect in spinning, and that's ok. It helped me relax, and, as I became more fluid in my own transitions and moves, I began to spin to help center....it became my form of meditation. It still helps me unwind.

There is definitely a social aspect to spinning as well, though. I don't do it to meet people, or wow people...not intentionally. I have a group of friends here in Houston that I met because of spinning. A friend introduced me to "these crazy folks who play with fire" because she thought I'd fit right in. Those crazy folks became a part of my extended family.

I do have to admit to an enjoyment of performing...something that really took me by surprise. I wasn't a performer before spinning, and was quite shy (still am in some regards). Spinning helped me find a bit of self confidence...performing aided in that as well.

What I get out of spinning, and my reasons for spinning, though, are my own. Different people do it for different reasons. For me, there is a personal and social aspect to spinning, but at the end of the day, I spin for myself. I get joy out of spinning, and it helps me unwind from the daily grind. When it stops being fun is the day I'll step away....I hope, though, that day never comes.


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Everything is self motivated.

If I donate a million dollars to charity, I'm still serving my own needs and desires.

But I see what you're asking. There are those that spin in order to gain attention and respect, and those that spin just to spin.

I think a relevant question would be:

If you were the last person on earth, would you still spin?

[I would, but not fire. Heh... then I'd suddently be THE BEST SPINNER IN THE WORLD! Oh that would suck. Who would I steal all my moves from?!]


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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Pele
Pele

the henna lady
Location: WNY, USA
Member Since: 15th Dec 2000
Total posts: 6193
Posted:Quote:
Do peole here spin for social reasons - i.e. to meet people, to go to places/events, to intereact/teach with others
or for selfish reasons - they love doing it, they love self-improving and (possibly) the ego-inflation it creates?







Yup wink tongue


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Dunc
Dunc

playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands
Member Since: 19th Aug 2003
Total posts: 7263
Posted:I think I must be lucky to have never met a spinner who span to impress others rather than for themselves. Not that I've met many others but they've all been nice folk.

I admit it feels nice when I'm spinning outside somewhere in the summer and another spinner turns up who can't do something I can and they wanna learn from me. It's very flattering but the enjoyment of that comes from sharing my knowledge of tips, hints, full moves etc not simply "donating it to a needy cause". And 9 times out of 10 even if they're pants they still know something you don't so the cycle continues v.nicely smile

Meeting new folks because of spinning is great too, the community aspect of poi is wonderful if you are lucky enough to be able to involve yourself in it, such as this lovely place and the merry funksters who attend these hallowed pages.

Apart from that ( rolleyes ) and foremost to it all I spin for myself, there's nothing better than nailing something new, especially if I've discovered it myself and perfecting it in my living room when nobody's in

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Let's relight this forum ubblove

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onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:Quote:
Everything is self motivated.

If I donate a million dollars to charity, I'm still serving my own needs and desires.




I quibble with this; while I can see the reasoning, and once would have said the same, I feel that, even though someones ultimate motive behind such a donation is that it fits with their agenda/way of seeing the world, there is still a big distinction between them and the person who spends it on stuff purely for themselves.

This, however, I like a lot-
Quote:

I think a relevant question would be:

If you were the last person on earth, would you still spin?



and I can say that, if I were the last person on Earth, I would most definitly spin, juggle etc etc; so I guess that makes me a self-orientated spinner.

I would also take full advantage of the empty roads and motorways on my big wheel unicycle smile



"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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thor
thor

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Location: Portland, Oregon
Member Since: 19th Feb 2004
Total posts: 181
Posted:i spin to get chicks. pure and simple. weavesmiley

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Pyrolific
Returning to a unique state of Equilibrium
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:Some of the nicest people I've ever met have been through spinning. However I didnt take up spinning so I could meet new people..it was the other way around.

Id spin if I didnt know any other spinners. I often spin on my own smile

As for performing? I like it because it adds an element of pressure to your spinning, I believe you have to be able to hit your moves 100% if you are going to do them in front of a crowd - something that just isnt there at local spin meets. There is also a bunch of other stuff you need to consider when performing which you dont if you are spinning on your own.

Josh


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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:I think Spinning offers both. The chance to talk and share with other spinners, and the opportunity for self-improvement.

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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simian
simian

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Location: London
Member Since: 11th Oct 2002
Total posts: 3149
Posted:i don't reckon i'd still be doing poi after two years if i hadn't had spinning events to go to that were full of lovely people.
and i don't reckon i'd still be doing poi if everyone else that did it was mean and horrible.

but if i was purely socially motivated, then i could go to spinny meets and just socialise rather than spinning. But on occasions where i've tried to do that, i've always given in to the urge to spin smile

i'm self-motivated to spin for the pure joy of 'zoning out' with my stix or sox, and also for the sense of achievement gained from improving my abilities.

i'd still love to bounce around with poi if i were the last person on earth. But i don't think that i'd be so motivated to learn stuff anymore.

it wouldn't be nearly as fulfilling if there wasn't anyone around to go up to and say:
"ooh! ooh! look at this! look at this! oh. bugger frown well, it was working a minute ago..."

it can be difficult to be proud of your achievements if there's no benchmark to measure yourself against.

so in conclusion... erm, what was the question again? confused


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UCOF
UCOF

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Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:Quote:
However I didnt take up spinning so I could meet new people..it was the other way around.




Wow!! people started spinning to meet you??

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Eera
old hand
Location: In a test pit, Mackay
Member Since: 29th May 2003
Total posts: 1107
Posted:I started spinning for the challenge of trying something new, and am still spinning for that reason. When I'm watching a truely spectacular display I Think "Wow, how does s/he do that?" Rather than "I'll never be that good, I'm giving up." It's not always been like that with many other things I've attempted.

If there's a gathering going on near me then I go to see if anyone has moves I don't know how to do. When you've got a burn going on with lots of people spinning fire together, there's an amazing heat generated in more ways than one. It's great to be part of it.

Or at least it was until kerosene started giving me contact dermatitus.


There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.

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Kinudin (Soul Fyre)
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Location: San Diego, California, USA
Member Since: 21st Dec 2001
Total posts: 1325
Posted:Quote:
I think Spinning offers both. The chance to talk and share with other spinners, and the opportunity for self-improvement.



Second thread quote: - "I concur" - guy on 'Catch me if you can'


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Burzaruka
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Member Since: 13th Apr 2004
Total posts: 233
Posted:I dont know anybody here, but I am pretty sure that most are likeminded when it comes to poi. They do it not only for the social reasons, but also for ego-inflation one gets when people watch them and go wooow. They do it because they love it, and they do it becaue they love give to others a show, a moment of enjoyment when people stop thinking about what is going on in their life and focus on the sexy female spinning in front of them and the hot guy who throwing fire around his body.

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oli
not with cactus
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devo...
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 2052
Posted:i agree with nyc. every action is selfish to a certain extent.

even if you span for the social reasons, meeting people etc. then you have mproved your situation by meeting people.

so id say i spin to meet people, but also to 'show off'. i also spin cos its something to do, and makes me feel relaxed. so for me its quite a selfish thing. but not purely selfish.

peace


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MiG
MiG

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Location: Bogged at CG
Member Since: 16th Apr 2004
Total posts: 3415
Posted:Me, i spin cos its a fun way to meet people, relax, is an awesome party trick, esp. when you start firespinning, and it gets you fit and improves all sorts of things.

So, in a sense, i dont spin selflessly, but im not entirely self motivated, either.


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Pyrolific
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Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:Quote:
Wow!! people started spinning to meet you??



no silly...Katinca and I started spinning on our own, and started a spin meet and then met all the lovely people! smile Anyone who was around in Adelaide(my home town smile) 4 years ago would tell you that it was a pretty lonely place for twirlers. There was no option but to twirl for the internal benefits.

Josh




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PsychoTronic(old)
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Location: Samos-Piraeus-Athens_Greece
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Total posts: 64
Posted:The ideal is the combination.I am doing it for me because I like it and I like other people to watch because they smile ubbrollsmile
When I play, I think a lot, i imagine things,i see and i hear the fire.It is both the most complicated and simple feeling I can feel so far.When people watch it is a kind of performance so there is a little presure... but when people clap their hands in the rythm of the music and smile,makes me very strong.There is a kind of communication between us.And it makes the feeling go stronger.It is like my thoughts by that time are all acceptable by those people. rolleyes


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Kapura Mataaro
Kapura Mataaro

HoP resident longboarder.
Location: Tasmania, Australia
Member Since: 11th Jan 2004
Total posts: 195
Posted:i dont' think u can seperate them...i think that yes, you do it for the social thing and the chance of meeting people you might actually become friends with...but you wouldn't do it if you didn't enjoy spinning... weavesmiley

"surely a longboarding fire spinner should have no trouble getting some action!"- NYC....

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Tao Star
Tao Star

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Location: Bristol
Member Since: 30th May 2003
Total posts: 1662
Posted:i think the social reasons stem out of the 'selfish' reasons for me. I spin and if there's someone around they generally got drawn in because i'm so excited or they get in to my tricks. I'm quite happy to watch other talented spinners, but i don't actively seek them out... unless i've run out of new trickes!

although i do like if for the social sometimes - sometimes i go to clubs just for the chatting and smoking! so i guess a bit of both then really!


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GottaLoveIt
GottaLoveIt

Sponge
Location: Stevenage
Member Since: 21st Sep 2003
Total posts: 883
Posted:I think I spin for a mix, it makes me feel healthy, helps me de-stress, I can meet different people. I have to admit to actively seeking out spinners, I want to learn!!!
I'm not sure about the ego boost I get from crowds because I tend to stop before a crowd gets too big because; I dun like it Dangermouse! Stage fright and pants.

I can't speak for the majority of spinners and I don't think you can generalise the reasons people spin for: because not just that everyone's different, because I think it's pretty evenly spread between both options. - Does that make sense??? It's a good question beerchug


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grace
grace

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Location: salisbury wiltshire
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Total posts: 117
Posted:I first heard of it when me and my mate where in her back yard last year with her dog and she had been taught a basic weave. So an hour later i had picked it up. I loved it found if very easy to do and was egar to do more. I have always enjoyed dance and the motion it creates reminded me of dance. I then cam on this site to get new moves. I have never met another spinnert in person apart from in cornwall but they all seemed to do it to 'be the best'. I hated this competition,.
Since i have been doing it to get beter myself. I always wanted to be able to do somthing i enjoy and love really well. Plus i think it looks amazing seeing others do it.

Since coming on here it has shown me more people who do it and i can be amazed at differnt people being so good at it. Im really looking forward to Reading festival where i plan to meet people and spin together. Never ever used fire though just my weird lil made spinners lol.

I think its so relaxing spinning i love just going for ages to some really good music just trying to make all the changes really smoth almost like a dance making it perfect. I also wish i knew more people to pratsie with who know new moves because i can not make them up myself really.

Anyway i see alot of people doing it for the ego boosting which is annoying but i do it because its relaxing and fun.


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Mele
Mele

A perth girl gone walkabout...
Location: Back home in Perth WA
Member Since: 30th Oct 2003
Total posts: 396
Posted:I love the social side of twirling ubblove

...and what an icebreaker to be able to ask a complete stranger a question about a move or fuel etc.... instant common ground between twirler & twirler, or twirler & spectator....I don't often wander up and talk to random people except at occasions where i'm playing with fire - People who love to play with/watch fire in my opinion are some of the nicest people i've met in a long time - You do get some attitude & ego involved, but on the whole everyone is generally lovely and the atmosphere relaxed at fire events. ubblove

Thank you to everyone who contributes to my fire experiance kiss


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GottaLoveIt
GottaLoveIt

Sponge
Location: Stevenage
Member Since: 21st Sep 2003
Total posts: 883
Posted:I agree with Melza and have just noticed the new smilies... I'm awake! Honest!
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PsychoTronic(old)
PsychoTronic(old)

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Location: Samos-Piraeus-Athens_Greece
Member Since: 3rd Apr 2004
Total posts: 64
Posted:Do you enjoy playing alone?

The only thing constant in life is change...

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Durbs
Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Member Since: 23rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 5688
Posted:Yeah, I love it.
I go into my own little world and happily spin for ages. Sometimes I'll be working on new moves, sometimes just playing - it's all good for me smile


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rex
rex

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Location: Holiday, FL, USA
Member Since: 24th Oct 2001
Total posts: 263
Posted:am i the only anti-social one here?

other spinners frighten me...

i like watching them though smile


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Rovo
Rovo

(the person actually known as Chris Bailey)
Location: Austin, TX, USA
Member Since: 30th Jul 2003
Total posts: 544
Posted:Since there isn't another spinner that i know of within the least an hour from where i live, I have to spin for myself and by myself. This doesn't bother me though. I spin as a kind of stess relief and for the satisfaction of figuring out new moves. I guess i spin socially a little because I like to show people what poi is and entertain them. Hopefully sometime soon I'll meet up with some people but for now i'm content with spinning in front of my house.

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