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GixxxerKim
GixxxerKim

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Location: NY
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Posted:I went to Electric Zoo here in NY 2009, and got my first taste of glowstringing. I saw my first fire poi back in 2006, but never gave it a try. I just started a month ago with some shoe strings and glow sticks and I incorporate some practice at the gym. I feel that the weight isn't there to help the sticks move well enough, and I wondered, should I be gravitating toward other/better tools to get better at moving?

Flowlights caught my attention obviously, but when I'm still slapping the glowsticks together now and then, I feel it would be a wise investment to stick with my cheaper sticks for now.

My question is, how easy is it to transfer from a weighted beginner poi, to a glowstick, or a flowlight? Would I be better off getting beginner fuzzy poi and leashes, and THEN doing the LED light show? Or stick to my cheap glowsticks maybe upgrade to some leashes?


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SpinnerofDetroit
SpinnerofDetroit

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Posted:Yeah, I'm new too, only about a month and a half in. I fist started with belts, not the smartest thing. My German exchange student did fire poi and breathing. I first got a pair of HoP's LED Glow Poi, and a pair of Cone Poi. I would suggest getting the LED balls, they're great, bright, and made of soft PVC making them very durable. I still hit them a lot. And I've only had to replace the batteries once so far, just a few days ago actually. Or, if you can't afford all that, you could buy the glowstrings, those are really cheap. Idk how long they last or how light or heavy they are, or how they work, but I know they're really cheap.

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GixxxerKim
GixxxerKim

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Posted:Thank you for the reply. My inspiration for the poi/glowstringing came from going to an electronic show (better known as a rave). So I wanted to glow string for obvious reasons. And I quickly realized its a beautiful thing to do even when you're not rolling. So thats one reason why I'm asking, if it sort of crosses over. Am I destined for poi if I'm going to take any type of glowsticking seriously? It seems the logical evolution from glow sticks, (even though glowstringing was based off of poi at first).

Buy the glowstrings you say? Where are those? Are you referring to flowleashes? Like on Orbitlightshow.com?


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Posted:Here's what I use, except I put Colecord and Pro Series Handles on it: http://www.homeofpoi.com/shop/productDetails/MultiColor-LED-Poi-Set-with-Nylon-Cords
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Here are Glowstrings, really cheap: http://www.homeofpoi.com/shop/productDetails/Single-LED-light-stick-with-Cord
br>Oh I looked and it said 8-10 hour battery life, same as what I use, except I think you have to replace the set every time. but still, really cheap. I might actually get some because they're so small and portable for things like parties and raves. If you do get those, which I would recommend the glowstrings for what you want them for, I would like to know how bright they are. grin I'll definitely get some eventually because of how cheap they are. As I said, great for carrying in your pockets or something. The LED Poi, not so much...


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Mother_Natures_Son
Mother_Natures_Son

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Posted:I reccomend a weight no lighter than 100g, you really can't do stalls, flowers or a number of other movements properly with light poi. But wraps, etc clearly do become easier, hence the stylistic differences between glow stringing and poi.

Flowlights with crystal cases and a flowmass would probably suit what you're after but I personally don't advocate their products because I've had a lot of issues with them and probably wouldn't buy more in the future quite simply due to their unreliability... but a lot of other people love their products and have had no problems.


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EpitomeOfNovice
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Posted:I've connected my Atom LED poi to my pro series chains so it's as similar to actual poi as possible which helps with flow and momentum. I consider it a very good hybrid and the chains with an LED head will give you a far better weight than glow stinging. You can also switch heads to fluffies or a fire head whenever you please.

Upgrading will be a lot easier and practice will be more consistent if you get a good chain with the right handles, weight, and length for you. In the end it'll be more economical and productive to keep your future goals in mind while making your first purchases too weavesmiley


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Posted:Originally Posted By: Mother_Natures_SonI reccomend a weight no lighter than 100g, you really can't do stalls, flowers or a number of other movements properly with light poi. But wraps, etc clearly do become easier, hence the stylistic differences between glow stringing and poi.

Would go along with this wholeheartedly.

And no, you are not predestined for poi if you get into glowstringing, although there are many similarities.


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GixxxerKim
GixxxerKim

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Posted:Thank you! When you say 100g do you mean EACH poi? I have been looking at the fluffy poi with the nylon leashes. I think they're a good buy for me. The reviews are fantastic, and since they're FOR poi I think they'll be weighted properly to be dynamic enough for the poi moves I'm working on and THEN some! (Poi seems so much more dynamic than just glow stringing, for the sheer fact of using better tools to get a wider range of movement.)

Thank you all.


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Sister Eleven
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Posted:100g isn't bad. It's a tennis ball with 8 nickels inside, which is about what I have in my cone poi. Much lighter than that and they can be all floppy and weird. I use sock poi with tennis balls, but only where there isn't a breeze or where I don't want to go fast.

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Mother_Natures_Son
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Posted:Yes, 100g each poi. But even thats on the light side, imho. I'd say 125-160g per poi is more what you should be looking at but I know a lot of people are reluctant to add weight for some reason it does however pay off in the long run.

(mine are 160g each, I even have a 200g pair as well)


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Posted:Originally Posted By: GixxxerKimMy question is, how easy is it to transfer from a weighted beginner poi, to a glowstick, or a flowlight? Would I be better off getting beginner fuzzy poi and leashes, and THEN doing the LED light show? Or stick to my cheap glowsticks maybe upgrade to some leashes?
I started with glowsticks and shoestrings a couple of years ago then got into poi. It was real easy for me to go from light to heavy but its not the same story for the other way around. I have a pair of Fluffies and LED balls. The Fluffies are heavier than the glowsticks by quite a bit but lighter than the LEDS. Haven't tried flowlights yet. It basically just depends on what you are comfortable with. I've found that it is easier to do moves with heavier poi though.


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Derek_Faughn
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Posted:It really depends on what style you are going for. A glowstring style (lots of quick wraps, and most spinning done of wallplane) Or a poi style (slower, more stalls, and more movement and dance) If you like the glowstring style just use glowsticks, if you like the poi style you'll probably want to pick up a heavier set.
Flowlights are very nice and can be used for either poi, or glowstringing. If you use the flowlights for glowstring I'd suggest just buying the actual lights and putting some shoe strings on them. And for poi you should probably invest in the flowpoi case, and a flowmass. Peace


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Posted:Originally Posted By: SpinnerofDetroitHere's what I use, except I put Colecord and Pro Series Handles on it: http://www.homeofpoi.com/shop/productDetails/MultiColor-LED-Poi-Set-with-Nylon-Cords
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Here are Glowstrings, really cheap: http://www.homeofpoi.com/shop/productDetails/Single-LED-light-stick-with-Cord
br>Oh I looked and it said 8-10 hour battery life, same as what I use, except I think you have to replace the set every time. but still, really cheap. I might actually get some because they're so small and portable for things like parties and raves. If you do get those, which I would recommend the glowstrings for what you want them for, I would like to know how bright they are. grin I'll definitely get some eventually because of how cheap they are. As I said, great for carrying in your pockets or something. The LED Poi, not so much...

The glowstrings are actually surprisingly bright. I just got 8 of them in and they work great, although they can turn off from time to time if you hit them together. I'd say they are brighter if not, then just as bright as regular glowsticks you'd buy from any store but I haven't had them on for long so I'm curious as to if they stay bright while the battery is dying or if they start to fade.


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SpinnerofDetroit
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Posted:actually, they're going to break before them, I'll tell you right now. That cords are also really uncomfortable and I decided I'll buy some shoelaces and glowsticks. because I still want to learn this and incorporate some into my fire poi grin

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Midkiff
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Posted:something good about glowstringing is the speed at which you transition from wraps and all kinds of stuff i actually started on glowsticks first then my buddy got a pair of fire poi and i just had to do it but i was also learning poi moves with glowsticks

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chemairo
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Posted:I think that poi and glowsticks have got the same moves - the thing is just, that with glowsticks you play much faster and much more with these whole wrap-things

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Posted:They do have a a lot to most of the same moves, but with glowsticks you do all of those crazy wraps really fast and with poi you get a whole different set of moves to. Much that use the weight of the poi head to do the move. And for other things poi are just easier grin

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Midkiff
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Posted:but the first thing i actualy spun was like 3 glowsticks on one string and you cant really do alot with it but the atomics are insane with it i actually got pretty good with it then one of my buddies showed me poi and i immediately started with glowsticks did that for 3 months then got to spin fire and ever since its been poi all the way

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Posted:I personally love all my my glowsticks because they're so portable and everybody already loves glowsticks in the first place grin so they're like ooh, glowsticks smile OOOH spinning glowsticks bounce2

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Midkiff
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Posted:yeah you dont even have to drugs to think it looks pretty lol

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Sister Eleven
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Posted:Anyone who needs drugs to think that spinning things looks cool obviously doesn't produce enough endogenous DMT. And that's a moral failing on their part.

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Midkiff
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Posted:i wish humans produced alot more of it lol

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SpinnerofDetroit
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Posted:I feel a little dumb, but whatis DMT?

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Sister Eleven
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Posted:It's a rather unusual neurotransmitter.

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SpinnerofDetroit
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Posted:Lol, ok then, Wikipedia it is tongue2 Oh Dimethyltryptamine tongue2 hooray for AP Chem class I actually know what that is lol. I thought it's kinda funny that it has -tryp- in the name laugh3
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Midkiff
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Posted:it is better described as a dissasociative

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Sister Eleven
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Posted:Actually it's one of the few real hallucinogens. LSD and psilocybin aren't even technically hallucinogenic most of the time, where DMT is. Ketamine or dextromethorphan are more along the lines of standard dissociatives in their lower doses. But this is getting a little OT...

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WyattDavisSpins
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Posted:Drugs are terrible for you !!
but yes glowsticking is cool. freehand or strings some people can manipulate those things like none other..Melvenorc12 from glowsticking.com is nuts !! spins a little to fast for my liking but some of the stuff he does is so crazy.. same with retr0 !!


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Posted:I don't need drugs but I love the people that do think they need them... They buy you water and give you stuff just as long as you keep spinning. Is that a dodgey way to think? Enabling? Exploitation? Failure to take the moral high ground and refuse their gratitude?

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eca
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Posted:I would say that's not a dodgey way of thinking about it. The way I see it is that if you attract an audience while you spin, you automatically become a "working" performer. There is a thread over on contactjuggling.org discussing busking/performance experiences, there are a few stories on there of people being purchased full meals, alcohol, and even given drugs (the performers didn't ask for any of this, just had a hat out)

The way I look at something like that is, they are (in a way) paying you for allowing them to watch you/for performing.


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Midkiff
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Posted:well i have come to find that drugs will hinder you most of the time but it doesnt stop people from enjoying them

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