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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Posted:so its just gone past midnight and im sitting here in at uni coding away and all of a sudden i hear this odd noise coming from one of the other cubicals, and i know everyone else has long since gone home. Feeling a tad bit spooked i get up go over and theres silence, thinking it must have been an aircon unit shutting off or somehting i go sit down again. A few moments later i hear it again so i get up again and walk over only to see the cd drive on one of the computers close followed by silence. Feeling a little stunned i go sit down again only to hear the noise again so i get up and go watch the computer and the cd drive starts opening and closing then half opening then closing pausing etc etc, so i move the mouse and there computers unlocked with nothing running ....... spooky huh?

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:the annoying thing about computers is they do exactly what you tell them to do. They can't do anything else. They show up the faults in our ability to tell them what to do.

I like hackers.


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TinklePants
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Posted:its haunted!!!! eek

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GeoffonTour04
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Posted:Nothing a jar of jam & a crowbar to the hardrive won't fix

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MiG
MiG

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Posted:maybe someone's being silly with bo2k or netbus, or some other thing...

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FireTom
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Posted:nope... my computer does things I haven't told him... devil

PC's are as alive as cars and motorbikes... they have their own will and rules... try to rush to your car/bike and be in a real hurry and try to start it up... I mean in a REAL hurry... then you'll see what I mean.... or why you reckon that (bank)robbers leave the engine RUNNING???

Sometimes I even have to pull the plug of my PC as the "Reset" doesn't even work anymore...


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Suibom
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Posted:Sounds like the computer was hungry.. did you try feeding it a hamster? Hamster-kabobs make computers happy. Also, a good dose of caffeine on the processor will kick it into overdrive.. next thing you know, you'll start hearing "feed me, seymore!" coming from the speakers.

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Sym
Sym

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Posted:Written by: FireTom

PC's are as alive as cars and motorbikes...



Yep...

Take a look at #8 on this list:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/vote/whorunsbritain/index.shtml
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Spontaneously Combustable
Spontaneously Combustable

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Posted:you know what that means.......... a whitch! burn it!


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TheBovrilMonkey
TheBovrilMonkey

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Posted:I heard a quote that's vaguely along these lines the other day..

Apparently, when it was suggested to a professor of cybernetics (I can't remember his name) that machines are never scary because you can always just turn them off, he replied 'Really? How do you turn the internet off then?'


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:Written by: FireTom

nope... my computer does things I haven't told him... devil




that's cos microsoft told it to only partially obey you.

I only know two of the people on that list...

How do you turn the internet off? well...

1) ask china, they know how to.
2) unplug the modem - silly!
2.1) cut all the backbone lines.


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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Posted:Written by: TheBovrilMonkey

Apparently, when it was suggested to a professor of cybernetics (I can't remember his name) that machines are never scary because you can always just turn them off, he replied 'Really? How do you turn the internet off then?'



was it kevin warwick by any chance?


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mcp
mcp

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Posted:Written by: ben-ja-men

Written by: TheBovrilMonkey

Apparently, when it was suggested to a professor of cybernetics (I can't remember his name) that machines are never scary because you can always just turn them off, he replied 'Really? How do you turn the internet off then?'



was it kevin warwick by any chance?



Did he also manage to plug his book and mention his wife?


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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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TheBovrilMonkey
TheBovrilMonkey

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Posted:It may well have been Kevin Warwick.



It also mentioned hooking up electrodes into his arm so that when he moved his hand, a robot hand would move too, as well as hooking his wife's nervous system up to something too.

It must be a rather interesting marriage they've got.

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NYC
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Posted:Written by: mcp

the annoying thing about computers is they do exactly what you tell them to do. They can't do anything else.



The same could be said for humans. We only react to direct data input to our sensors amplified by the wiring of our hard drives.

We're just too stupid to see it.


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Dunc
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Posted:Written by: mcp

the annoying thing about computers is they do exactly what you tell them to do. They can't do anything else. They show up the faults in our ability to tell them what to do.

I like hackers.



Funny that. There was a program on TV last night with Ben's idol Kevin Warick where he programmed robots to only do one thing, avoid hitting each other. they watched them and they all somehow did something different and one even commited suicide! How's about that then! biggrin


Let's relight this forum ubblove

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:yeah he wired up his wife to receive pain signals, nice guy. (that was after he plugged his book.)

"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Posted:Written by: NYC

The same could be said for humans. We only react to direct data input to our sensors amplified by the wiring of our hard drives.

We're just too stupid to see it.


Not true, you could set up a double slit experiment onto a screen divided into two halfs, shooting just one photon through at a time, the single photo will adhere to the pattern you get from applying a lazer to a set of double slits but the position each partical goes to is random [The quantum brain by jeffrey satinover p173 explains it in detail for those who are interested]. so its possible for us to make a decision completely at random (ie we cant work it out based on looking at the internal state/history of the individual as the decision is based on random nondetermined phenomenon), something a computer doesnt do as it follows its program to the last zero.


Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?

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mcp
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Posted:quantum effects are generally cancelled out on a macro scale. Hence water does boil when you watch it.



Plus computers can use random imput to randomise their decisions. It's always a case of a highly complex environment making an organism seem highly complicated.



And they can be affect by cosmic rays and such to make them not obey their instructions.



FPGA's + genetic algorithms = biggrin



Oooo: new ways to destroy the internet:



Bomb phone companies, exchanges.

Make a realllly big solar flare.

Have fun with electromagnetic pulses.


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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.

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NYC
NYC

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Posted:"Random" is only our lack of ability to predict.

God doesn't roll dice. Or something like that.


Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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mcp
mcp

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Posted:I still like to imagine einstein weeping like a baby over the standard model.

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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Posted:Written by: mcp

quantum effects are generally cancelled out on a macro scale. Hence water does boil when you watch it.


this is true as a general rule however human beings can act as quantum amplifiers making it possible to bring random events to our scale of existence

FPGA's require feedback while they can evolve tone discriminators using less components than ur average electronic professor they require human design for a feedback mechanism for a means to do so.

"God does not play dice" Einstein
"Stop telling God what to do" Bohr


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PyroWill
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Posted:I was only recently thinking about starting a discussion on the development of Artifical Intelligence and its possible involvement of the extinction/enslavement of the human race, who knows what will happen.

I saw only the other day something about this and they actually compared it very well to the human race, take however many thousand years ago when man was very primitive, eventually when we started to hunt properly with tools we got the advantage over such animals like the Wolly Mammoth who then probably only had to fear natural predators with sharp teeth etc, so we have this sudden advantage, suddenly the wolly mammoth disappears.

Now what if you compare the same thing to computers, we give computers AI, they can get the advantage over us, bye bye guys!

However some of us will be kept for enslavement and select breeding biggrin


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Mr Majestik
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Posted:lol, not according to "The Terminator" triology, in that they just want the planet for themselves. and also in that it is the interent where ai is born, only we're too stupid to realise. afterall, if you were a one of a kind entity would you really want to reveal yourself to creatures who would simply use you as another tool?

there is a really good but very unknown film about this topic called "Black River"(2001) starring Jay Mohr. its basically about an ai entity living unknown through the internet which controls an entire town of people without them knowing it. it does this by having 'safety cameras' installed, changing federal funding, luring new people to the city, all without them realising.

i read an artilce on ai a while ago about a leader of the field. so far his creation has learnt, by itself, to recognise a banana.....i think we have a while to go...........


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onewheeldave
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Posted:Written by: ben-ja-men

Written by: mcp

quantum effects are generally cancelled out on a macro scale. Hence water does boil when you watch it.


this is true as a general rule however human beings can act as quantum amplifiers making it possible to bring random events to our scale of existence



Any evidence for this?
Or reasoning that supports it?


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ben-ja-men
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Posted:ok first up to date AI's greatest achievement to date (which occured in 1997) was deep blue beating the world chess champion gary kasparov, and the only reason deep blue was able to do this is because it was able to examine a deeper search space, the only difference in deep blue between the original match in 1996 and the rematch in 1997 was its processing power .... note deep blue has no concept of chess or the strategies involved only how to manipulate symbols in a way that corresponds to chess.



will i wouldnt worry to much currently tasks that computers are good at is very very specific tasks, step outside of that domain and they are useless. hollywood very much glamorises AI and machines the reality is a machine uprising is a long long long way off. even the most advanced robots around such as asimo, qrio, cog, robonaught, db (dynamic brain) etc etc are all a very long way off the terminator. apart from the lack of complexity (ie not enough muscles to perform fast complicated movement), processing power, compact/efficent energy source, horrifically inadequate vision system, requirement of learning/feedback, free will/self awareness/general sentiance is a bitch to program wink



some interesting links

qrio - the sony dream robot aka the nursery school retard http://robotgossip.blogspot.com/2005_04_01_robotgossip_archive.html




http://www.physorg.com/news8629.html
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5067678
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http://www.kokoro-dreams.co.jp/ng/actroid/pdf/press_english.pdf
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cool huh?



creation recognising bananas ..... sounds alot like steve grands android called lucy, steves approach is very good in that hes looking at self configuring systems drawing on biological influnce ie going from 30 000 human genes to a brain with 100 billion neurons each wired up to approximately 10 000 other neurons, his book "growing up with lucy" is a definate must read if your interested in this kind of stuff and dont want to get bogged down in to much jargen.

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ben-ja-men
ben-ja-men

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Posted:Written by: onewheeldave

Any evidence for this?
Or reasoning that supports it?


yes "the quantum brain" by jeffrey satinover explains it really well, id try to summarise it but its kind of one of the conclusions of a 225 p quantum physics/Alife book


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jeff(fake)
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Posted:Written by: ben-ja-men

Written by: onewheeldave

Any evidence for this?
Or reasoning that supports it?


yes "the quantum brain" by jeffrey satinover explains it really well, id try to summarise it but its kind of one of the conclusions of a 225 p quantum physics/Alife book


Pity it's wrong. Mabey I'm being elitist but is it really suprising that a book written by a psychiatrist on a subject about high level biology and quantum physics would reach wrong conclusions based on wishful thinking? Humans (or any other kind of life) aren't anything special from a chemical or phyical view. mcp is right as always, the brain is too big and hot for quanta to play an effect.


According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...

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Posted:Written by: TheBovrilMonkey

I heard a quote that's vaguely along these lines the other day..

Apparently, when it was suggested to a professor of cybernetics (I can't remember his name) that machines are never scary because you can always just turn them off, he replied 'Really? How do you turn the internet off then?'



Terminator 3 anyone?

I'm very much from the Isacc Asimov school of thought on Artificial Intelligance...once it occures we're *****d


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Richee
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Posted:For anybody who didnt hear about Alan Turing. His work give a little answer. :R



:R


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jeff(fake)
jeff(fake)

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Posted:Written by: Vampyricacid

Written by: TheBovrilMonkey

I heard a quote that's vaguely along these lines the other day..

Apparently, when it was suggested to a professor of cybernetics (I can't remember his name) that machines are never scary because you can always just turn them off, he replied 'Really? How do you turn the internet off then?'



Terminator 3 anyone?

I'm very much from the Isacc Asimov school of thought on Artificial Intelligance...once it occures we're *****d


Self preservation and desire for domination are human characteristics. AI won't have them (unless we program it into them of course).


According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...

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