• All Purchases made this month instantly go into the draw to win a USD $ 200.00 credit to your HoP account.

Forums > Videos > Onewheeldaves 'Albatross'

Login/Join to Participate

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted:As I mentioned before I've been developing a range of moves based on transitioning in and out of one handed moves and throws.

I was wanting to get them all videod and put up in a coherent form. However, recent computer problems are making this look unlikely in the near future.

I found this clip of a move I've been trying to perfect for the past few weeks and thought some of you may be interested in seeing it; I've got two versions, both WMVs, one is 900 Kb and the other 290 Kb- I've put up just the smaller one as it's quicker to download, as it's a short clip (try and get your player to loop it for best effect) the quality is ok, but, if there's interest I could put the bigger one up as well.


(right click and 'save as')


Initially it looks like a repeated butterfly based double release, but it's actually got some intricate stuff going on in the background.

Firstly, it relies on a couple of what I call 'butterfly conversions', this is when, for example, a forward butterfly is converted to a backwards one without moving the planes or turning round.

This is done by going into a one handed butterfly where the upper poi is held between the top two fingers and the lower one slipped between the ring and little fingers.

To come out of this you'd normally take out the lower one and be back into a forward butterfly, if, however, you take the upper one, you'll find yourself doing a reverse butterfly.

With practice this move can be done in less than one beat of the one hand butterfly- as you can see from the video it is quite difficult to spot the one hand part.

The other conversion comes when the reverse butterfly double release/catch occurs- at the end of this the poi have again switched hands and you are now back in a forwards butterfly- the whole sequence can then be repeated indefinitly.

These conversions are really useful in their own right as they give you the option to switch butterfly directions without using wraps or stalls.


Here's a step-by-step description: -

Starting from a left hand dominant forwards butterfly, the first part of the move is to convert to a reverse butterfly. This is done by slipping the right poi into the lower fingers of the left hand, as if to commence a left hand one handed butterfly; however, in less than one beat of the pattern you remove the other poi with yuor right hand.

So the poi that was in the left hand ends up in the right, and the one that was in the right hand ends up in the left.

The result of this is that the butterfly turns into a reverse butterfly, from which you do one beat of a reverse thread the needle, then release both poi at once.

When you catch them they have once again switched hands so are now in a forwards butterfly again.

In less than a beat you must now gather both poi into a one handed butterfly, but this time in the right hand, then repeat the above steps.

Initially I worked on a less symetrical version of this trick where all the throws were done with my left hand on top; then I progressed to the fully symetrical version in the video where the hands alternate evenly. This was initially more difficult but after practice is just as easy, and more satisfying [my juggling influence smile ].

Things that have helped me with this move are: -

lots of practice with one handed butterflies (with both hands and swapping between the two hands); as well as lots of practice with butterfly 'conversions'- forward butterfly into reverse (and vice versa).

I've called this move 'The Albatross' because it is reminiscient of the slow graceful flapping of an albatrosses wings.

"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32

Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!


Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Member Since: 23rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 5687
Posted:VERY nice biggrin

I've been trying to nail that move (only forwards...) for years. Really nice and smooth - congrats

Burner of Toast
Spinner of poi
Slacker of enormous magnitude

not with cactus
Location: bristol/ southern eastern devo...
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 2052
Posted:the name i agree, suits the move lovely smile

i havnt quite worked this move out yet, but soon weavesmiley

Me train running low on soul coal
They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
They shouldn't do that no no no


Member Since: 2nd Apr 2004
Total posts: 190
Posted:Albratross for sale.

Albratrross for sale.


Location: london,uk
Member Since: 14th Sep 2003
Total posts: 313
Posted:i have so much to learn............. eek

Mint Sauce
Location: Lancs England
Member Since: 7th Sep 2003
Total posts: 1453
Posted:Oh my god how complicated first looks simple then after a min you start to realize what you are doing that is just mind blowing again another that has a long way to go eek eek eek eek eek eek eek

before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)


slack rating - 9.5
Location: Suburbiton, Yoo-Kay
Member Since: 3rd Sep 2003
Total posts: 2216
Posted:yeah that's very smooth... will give it a go sometime but i reckon it'd take a long while to get the direction change within the beat so fluidly
nice one dave! beerchug

It is our fantasies that make us real. Without our fantasies we're just a blank monkey' - Terry Pratchett


Location: Aotearoa (NZ)
Member Since: 17th Oct 2003
Total posts: 625
Posted:That "flight of the albatros" is out there man. peace

Cool ideas. eek

Mint Sauce
Location: Lancs England
Member Since: 7th Sep 2003
Total posts: 1453
Posted:ha ha got it down to a T well almost am learning fast thanks dave smile

before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)


playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands
Member Since: 19th Aug 2003
Total posts: 7263
Posted:sweet Dave sweet ubbrollsmile

Let's relight this forum ubblove

Magical Sock Dancer
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
Member Since: 1st Jul 2003
Total posts: 255
Posted:And I'm inspired to play with lots of butterfly stuff.


Location: Canada
Member Since: 12th May 2004
Total posts: 1872
Posted:OK, after lurking on this site for a long time I finally had to register to post on this thread. This video with accompanying text is just what the world needs. I mean, I could do this move if I could do this move, but as an old school double loop handle spinner I havn't practiced throws and catches but the write up makes perfect sense when I can actually see what the pattern is supposed to look like. I gave up trying to learn by reading text when I saw that thread over in Spherculism on the butterfly weave, after reading that thread I ended up thinking this was some super elaborate move which I had absolutly no understanding of, and it wasn't until Andy (Poibox) in Bangkok showed it to me."You mean that's it???" I said "why didn't they say so" yikes!

Anyway, well done,, this is the best tutorial I've ever seen, way more effective than just text , and an easier study than ripping off moves from videos I've downloaded. ( Spinning in Paris, all of them, and Dervishly Yers have been my bibles for the past several months

Hope to see more of these tutorials

Oh, by the way, thanks for the technical poi video and as a fledgling 3 baller your juggling video is a real source of inspiration.

Similar Topics

Using the keywords [onewheeldave* albatros*] we found the following similar topics.
1. Learn > POI > Advanced Butterflies > Albatross *help/resource
2. Forums > Where's OneWheelDave? [17 replies]
3. Forums > Point out what passages are flawed in the bible. [108 replies]
4. Forums > Translation Fun [6 replies]
5. Forums > Object Manipulation vs Incompetence [21 replies]

     Show more..