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quote:Maybe whether animals are equal to humans or not is irrelevant, maybe it's more to do with the fact that they're having their lives taken so that humans can eat their bodies.
Originally posted by FlamingMonkey:
i thought an omnivore eat both meat and vegetation.
vegetarianism is a strange thing, i mean some people will eat chicken but call themselves a vege. personally i think i would be a vege, if i couldn't, but my whole diet is meat-based.
but my motives would be for my own health as opposed to the animals.
Although you don't agree, i have trouble with thinking of animals as equal with humans. i value human life more.
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quote:fair enough, but what about children that are born for slavery? Is it cool for people to be labour slaves, sex slaves etc just because their mother gave birth to them so they could make money for the rest of the family? Personally i disagree.
Yeah but in most cases the animals in question were born purely for the purpose of being eaten.
quote:You shouldn't have to appologise for anything which you don't feel to be ethically/morally wrong. If you do appologise in such a case, then the appology has no meaning (it's like when you're a kid and your parents make you appologise for something).
Why should i have to apologise for feeding myself whether it be plants or animals
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quote:In a similar vein we could take a race and brainwash/condition their chidren into wanting to serve us as slaves, thus making slavery morally acceptable.
Originally posted by Dentrassi:
i think we should take a leaf from douglas adams, and genetically engineer a cow that actually wants to be eaten - then all problems are solved
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quote:I think you're spot on with this.
Originally posted by falloutboy:
We don't really know why we're here or what we're supposed to be doing, so our best guide is to observe nature and simply try to find our place. And the fact is, in nature, sentient beings kill and consume other sentient beings - life is ended to further other life. The difference with us is, that we have evolved to the level at which we are intelligent enough to make a choice. We have the knowlege and ability required to survive without consuming sentient beings.
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quote:Due to energy loss the higher up the food chain you go, using animals for food is actually very wasteful.
Originally posted by Durbs:
I've always thought that on a purley biological (or evolutionary) level - we're omnivores: We have canines and molars, we have an appendix but we also have a very large colon.
I could never be a vegetarian as firstly I enjoy meat way to much and secondly I don't think it's natural.
I'm probably viewed by many as a hypocrite - I only eat "Happy Meat" (Free Range et al) whenever possible and do disagree with many mass-farming methods but without modern farming techniques wouldn't the world be in a much worser state? Surely if we can produce large amounts of food in order to help out starving countries (and yes, I know alot of the food gets eaten where it's made) it's worth the discomfort/inhumanity of the animals... Perhaps not, but I don't see that we can sit here complaining about how badly animals are treated to feed us when if they changed back to purely organic food - food aid would surely plummet. (Admittedly this pure specualtion, I haven't done any research...)
Very contraversial I know, but heck - it's an opinion
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quote:Can't give you specifics, it's a figure used in a lot of literature concerning vegitarianism.
Originally posted by Dentrassi:
just curiousity.... the stastistic that 'food production from plants is 10 times more efficient that from animals', seems to be popping up frequently. where does this figure come from??? ive found that many stats from the net are a bit dodgy... can anyone give me a decent reference???
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