Forums > Advanced Poi Moves > Flying nexus *Revenge* (updated theory 22/11/2006)

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AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
First of all I will try to define formally it:

"A flying Nexus is the nexus between two poi when only one of them is held and the other is controlled only by the first poi(-body-)".

Witch means that when you do normal moves like whip catches or Hyperloop throws you use for a little time a "Flying nexus".

Why using another term? Because after a bit of practice you can find that also this Flying Nexus is controllable and such as for hyperloop is quite easy to control it for a little number of turns (and hard to control for a potential infinite time).

The main principle that is on the base of this theory can be easily understood by an example:

Take 2 strings, wrap with one turn one on the other then pose both on a table and watch the two strings now.

Well, look at the "wrapped" one, if we consider that the wrap separate the string in two segments, you can easily observe that one segment is above the other.

(So many words for a really simple concept).

But now you have to do the experiment of above with your weigthed handle poi.

When you do it pay attenction to make the wrap close to the handle and with the part near the handle under the other one.

Congratulation biggrin now you have done the more solid Flying Nexus that can be controlled for an infinite time!!!!



Pratical application:Start from an HL butterfly reverse and then release one poi, in the same moment stop the other poi,the poi head of the held one must go "over" the other poi string, and you can see that the released one is wrapped on the holded one by the above described "Flying nexus"(after a bit practice).

For controlling such nexus the handle and the poi head must remain at 180° between each other; in such way the "FORZA CENTRIFUGA" help you to mantein the nexus; you can do that by giving to the held poi a rotational movement that feel close to an isolation where the center of the rotation is exactly the point of the wrap.





There are a lot of other ways to make a flying nexus; for example with a simple whip catch, or with a double nexus hyperloop and from that you can also do a figure8 instead a normal circle with the two poi, as long as you can control the flying nexus.



It's so hard to explain with words (and in english for me XD) but really fun to use while playing.

It's quite difficult to control well a poi with the other one for more then two or three rotations but is doable!!! :P:P:P



I hope this have sense and I will ask to the "poi theorists" around here if I'm wrong with something...



Acciaio devil





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Trying to release a poi into an hyperloop I found that one poi can be controlled by the nessus and theorically for an infinite time!

In fact the released poi turn around the other poi body wrapped in this way the head and the handle remain always more or less at 180° degrees between themselves and the nessus can be unmade when you wont by speeding up a little bit the timeing of the turn of the poi in your hand.



I hope this have sense... and I wait for your answere...can be called in this way this move?? confused



Acciaio devil

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Posted:
that's some good contact I like how you separate isolate and stall

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MuskelungeGOLD Member
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Posted:
It looks a lot like one of those attempted marketing crazes. I think it was called Astrojax. It's a really cool effect you've worked out.

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Tom_ShillSILVER Member
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Posted:
Nice looking move, man. I'm afraid it already has a name though, or at least this type of move have a name. Any move where you control the handle of one poi by wrapping the body of another poi around it is called a snag. I'm sure someone'll correct me if that's wrong smile You've got it really smooth though, looks great.

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AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
For doing a snag you must catch the poi head of the "controller" poi in the hand with the handle and Rovo has shown this kind of things in other topics bounce2
I don't think that this can be called a snag really but I can be wrong!
Thanx for the help!

Acciaio devil

VampyricAcidSILVER Member
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Posted:
i call is astrojacking....cos it looks like astrojacks

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Posted:
i think its great, whatever you guys want to call it.

way to go, acciaio!

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Tom_ShillSILVER Member
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Posted:
Yeah you're right Acciaio, sorry redface

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RovoGOLD Member
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Posted:
Well in a way I would say it's a snag because the handle of one poi is caught on the other but this is taking it to a whole other level. Awesome job Acciaio!

What ratio do you use between the head and handle in your poi? I can't seem to get my poi to do this at all.

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AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
Thanx!!!
This is an advanced idea from the snag variation that I've found and I have sad you rovo...around the poi of the "controller" poi the "controlled" one is wrapped one time...

For my poi I use head of 135 gr. (beanbags) and handle of 40 gr. and some knot for adjusting the length peace

Well then can be a flying snag? 'cause one poi is snagged "on the fly"???
This move isn't too solid but for trying it you can start from a release into an HL butterfly revers and with a normal hyperloop throw you go into a "weave" pattern...I hope this have sense... if not I will do a video with something like a tutorial as soon as I can...

Acciaio devil

RovoGOLD Member
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Posted:
Your video is clear enough to be a tutorial . This one is just going to take some practice. I think I might have to make a set of contact poi to be able to do this. I'm also having a ton of trouble with whipcatches with my poi so it may be time for a change. smile

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AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
I'm sure you will improve your moves weighteing more your handles...and why you don't build 4 identical poi :P ? It's really funny to try something with 3...but I'm going OT :P

What do you think about the name?

Waiting to see you with a set of contact poi!!!

Acciaio devil

RovoGOLD Member
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Posted:
A couple more questions Acciaio.

How long are your poi and what kind of material are you using? What I use now tends to stick a bit too much for some things.

Man I wish I could get this move down. It would be a great show off move for busking. ubbrollsmile

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TheWibblerGOLD Member
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Posted:
i always thought of those as 1 handed tangles.

Cool that you go into it from a butterfly tangle, then keep it all on the outside.

I was playing with these a little but enter it from a weave tangle, twist to 1.5 or 2 twists, and bounce the tangle inside and outside to keep it tangled up. Getting out of them by doing a couple spins on the exit side... But they rarely pop out as sweetly as that smile

I see what you mean about them being like astrojacks, when going from side to side they act exactly like astrojacks. Does that move with astrojacks have a name already?

ALso by Nessus do you mean Nexus? Or is Nessus omething else?

Cool stuff,

m

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oliSILVER Member
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Posted:
ubbrollsmile maaad, i ve just watched that video...

rite proper crrrazy :P

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DuncGOLD Member
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Posted:
We should invite Accaicio to play poi golf with us sometime biggrin

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AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
@Rovo:
my poi are about 50cm long, it depend on the stretching of the moment :P and are the passepasse ones...but they are really common woman socks tubular and coloured.
I've tried this move also with my old poi that are a lot more large,longer and with handles of 30 gr and it's a little bit more difficoult but it works(about 1 time on 5 against 1 on 3 of mine I have no time to make it solid now...).

@matt:
I've started to do the same thing of you before this trick works but I cannot control well the nexus but I think is doable from a "weave" pattern only a little bit more difficoult...the idea of the trick is all in the way you do the nexus and as soon as my camera came back from my parents holiday I will take a shot of it!
...as always I f**k terminology, XD, you are rigth man and I've changed the title, thanx a lot!!!

Really thanx oli I wish I will learn from you some inversions and barrel rolls when I came to the poiinthepark convention!!! Your moves are really impressive!! O_O (I've finally seen my copy of sphercular vision!! smile )

Dunc O__O what kind of crazy yhing is poi golf????

Acciaio devil

AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
*BUMP*
To notify the added theory in the first post...

Waiting for answers!!!

Acciaio devil

RicheeBRONZE Member
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Posted:
 Written by:

Acciaio

Which meen when you are doing basic moves like Whipe ca-

tches or Hyperloop throw...





That's true, but flying nexus meens every move,

having 'nexus moving' itself. Way a load of.

----

There were a thread about Poi on Poi,

can't remember name, may Blecat'll. Do you?

----

It is rather the Poi heads lock, or knot

and there are 2 types depending on what

kind of a loop you make.



Can you describe the nexus more?



nice idea,



:R

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bluecatgeek, level 1
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Posted:
mmm. i have the wrong player, but will dl a new one to sort it out and watch. i wrote a few threads on things like this before, but they were all whip catch variations, bounce hyperloops, hyperloop throws, hyperloop propellor(i think thats what this is...)

anyway. looking forward to vid and will respond appropriately, sir!

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AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
@ Richee: in this move is one poi body looped around the other one...Tomorrow I will try to take a pic of the loop...

@Bluecat: Hyperloop propellor sonds really great can you give me some links or can you explain it again pleaz wink ?
It sounds amazing!!!

Acciaio devil

RicheeBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Dunno, still sounds to me be a whipe (catch) variation,

what about to call it whipe?



It is better than flying nexus, I'm sure and the whipe

can be done as loop created by Poi heads.



lightning,



:R

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bluecatgeek, level 1
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Posted:
its a hyperloop propellor that you are doing. there was a really long thread on these on poiinthepark before it went down.

you don't have to start in butterfly, you can start in same direction... most of what we were discussing was variations of ways in and out, eg:

ways in:

[Old link]
whip catches
airwrap, h'loop, any variation...

ways out

throw(both)
whip release
catch flying poi, in loads of different position, catch flying poi, release other poi into h'loop propellor

etcetc..
R biggrin

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AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
 Written by: Richee


Dunno, still sounds to me be a whipe (catch) variation,
what about to call it whipe?



Why? confused It's a lot diffrent from a whipe as I imagine it... confused
I haven't found any thread talking aboute whipe catches any how...

anyhow here some pics of the nexus:
Nexus 1

Nexus 2

Nexus 3

@Bluecat: if you are rigth after watching at this pics I will go to change the topic's name but I really wont to know something more that you have discussed on PiP!!!! biggrin ubbrollsmile biggrin
Thanx in advance!!!

Acciaio devil

bluecatgeek, level 1
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Posted:
well, its a single tangle more than what i would call a hyperloop propellor, but the movement is the same, and you can get in via all the ways above, still...

as for the stuff from pip... er...

its at least three years ago, mind you. and we were a bit crap back then ubblol it'll take me a while, and you and laura probably can do most of the things we ever talked abut...

R

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AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
 Written by: bluecat


well, its a single tangle more than what i would call a hyperloop propellor,



@___________@

ehehrrr sorry can you explain this another time... confused

Anyhow you think this is an hyperloop propellor(yep I know that can be made from other patterns this is only the first I've tryed)...
And for PiP discussion... rolleyesI'll wait rolleyes hug
Thanx in advance!!

Acciaio devil

RicheeBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Well, sounds better, but still,

flying nexus is too much.



Hyperloop propellor? NO. It re-

quires body contact.



One-handed hyperloop!



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Whipe?, pleasee.



hug,



:R

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pineapple peteSILVER Member
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Posted:
finally put a bit of thought into working these out tonight..

my handles are too light to make it go infinitely, but i can get it two or three rotations before it comes apart.

thanks a bunch smile

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wolfbro001SILVER Member
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Posted:
 Written by: Acciaio


-------------OLD MESSAGE and DEMOSTRATION---------------
Just a proposal for the name of this move:
Download the sample
Acciaio devil



ok... why did i get porn when i dl'd that video?

AcciaioSILVER Member
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Posted:
Have u got some virus on your pc?
I've vhecked and the link is working well...

Acciaio devil

wolfbro001SILVER Member
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Posted:
nah, ran a virus check and it was clean... must be something to do with someone else on this comp... lol... thanks for checking smile

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