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Location: The countryside, Australia
Posted:
I'm beginning to grow slightly concerned about what is happening to our world as far as weather/natural disasters/climate goes.
Starting with something not as severe:
This summer has been the hottest ever, it's alarmingly hot here. I no longer think 'what a lovely day', I'm finding it hard to cope with the heat. The other week it reached 45 degrees celcius here, other places in the state have gotten as high as 47. Generally the weather here is high 30s, but then you get the times when it gets in the 40s which is horrible, this 40+ degree weather is starting to come more often.
Is anyone else concerned about this?! With all this heat brings droughts, which means severe water restrictions and farmers losing money, animals dieing...the list goes on.
Then we move on to the more severe stuff:
In the last year or so, the world has suffered 3 (4?) hurricanes, we've had tsuami's and parts of Western Australia at the moment are suffering a cylone which is predicted to get up to category 4. I remember there was an earthquake recently somewhere (I can't remember where exactly unfortunately) Oh and not to mention the bushfires which happen here all the time...
I don't know much about this kind of stuff. Does anyone have any facts/theories about why this is happening? I just don't understand it, but all I know is that I'm a bit worried about what is going to happen next...
I'm beginning to grow slightly concerned about what is happening to our world as far as weather/natural disasters/climate goes.
Starting with something not as severe:
This summer has been the hottest ever, it's alarmingly hot here. I no longer think 'what a lovely day', I'm finding it hard to cope with the heat. The other week it reached 45 degrees celcius here, other places in the state have gotten as high as 47. Generally the weather here is high 30s, but then you get the times when it gets in the 40s which is horrible, this 40+ degree weather is starting to come more often.
Is anyone else concerned about this?! With all this heat brings droughts, which means severe water restrictions and farmers losing money, animals dieing...the list goes on.
Then we move on to the more severe stuff:
In the last year or so, the world has suffered 3 (4?) hurricanes, we've had tsuami's and parts of Western Australia at the moment are suffering a cylone which is predicted to get up to category 4. I remember there was an earthquake recently somewhere (I can't remember where exactly unfortunately) Oh and not to mention the bushfires which happen here all the time...
I don't know much about this kind of stuff. Does anyone have any facts/theories about why this is happening? I just don't understand it, but all I know is that I'm a bit worried about what is going to happen next...
.All things are beautiful if we take the time to look.
Scientist of Fortune
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Location: Edinburgh
Posted:
Twas the Nighting Gale...(although mabey not in this case)
Perhaps surprisingly for some of you, birds sometimes sing at night.
Magnetic pole reversals have happened thousands of times and there is no evidence that they are especially harmful.
And there is no way 5.8 billion would get killed off by global warming. Large scale food crisises in the third world and some region becomeing unlivable is a fairly worst case scenario.
But who am I to get in the way of panic.
Twas the Nighting Gale...(although mabey not in this case)
Perhaps surprisingly for some of you, birds sometimes sing at night.
Magnetic pole reversals have happened thousands of times and there is no evidence that they are especially harmful.
And there is no way 5.8 billion would get killed off by global warming. Large scale food crisises in the third world and some region becomeing unlivable is a fairly worst case scenario.
But who am I to get in the way of panic.
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Pooh-Bah
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Location: York University, United Kingdom
Pooh-Bah
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Location: York University, United Kingdom
Posted:
Have you seen "The Day after Tomorrow"? Because that's perfectly scientifically valid
Have you seen "The Day after Tomorrow"? Because that's perfectly scientifically valid
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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NYC
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Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
I'll agree with your diagreement. I do think that most people that know what they're talking about are concerned about global warming. I also think they would not credit the CURRENT global weather patters to global warming but, instead, to natural fluctuations within global temperatures. I don't think they are exclusive concepts.
I believe that global warming is a problem AND we are on an upswing of a natural fluctuation.
Unless you believe the lady that Molly and I saw on TV that said it was the increase in homosexuality that was causing the Hurricaines and Tsunamis. I guess God has bad aim.
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Disagree NYC, I would suggest most people that actually know what they're talking about, are concerned about global warming.
I'll agree with your diagreement. I do think that most people that know what they're talking about are concerned about global warming. I also think they would not credit the CURRENT global weather patters to global warming but, instead, to natural fluctuations within global temperatures. I don't think they are exclusive concepts.
I believe that global warming is a problem AND we are on an upswing of a natural fluctuation.
Unless you believe the lady that Molly and I saw on TV that said it was the increase in homosexuality that was causing the Hurricaines and Tsunamis. I guess God has bad aim.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Posted:
I'm in the "World is shagged. Nothing i can really do about it. Enjoy what's left" group. As bad as it is, i've seen some stuff in industy that really reinforces the fact that nothing i can do is going to change anything. Me not driving to work and back each day might make a smidgeon of a change, but burning a thousand litres of diesel per day digging up coal that's going to be baked, then burnt, all of which are also releasing nasties, is like a drop of water in an ocean.
I'm in the "World is shagged. Nothing i can really do about it. Enjoy what's left" group. As bad as it is, i've seen some stuff in industy that really reinforces the fact that nothing i can do is going to change anything. Me not driving to work and back each day might make a smidgeon of a change, but burning a thousand litres of diesel per day digging up coal that's going to be baked, then burnt, all of which are also releasing nasties, is like a drop of water in an ocean.
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old hand
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old hand
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Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
Posted:
'Tis my point exactly though.
It's been going on a long time before we evolved and will still be going on when we've turned into cyborgs or whatever.
But it's no excuse for dumping pollutants and wilfully making the planet a miserable place to live.
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That's on a pretty long time scale though- the 'zero oxygen levels' being prior to the origin of plant life
'Tis my point exactly though.
It's been going on a long time before we evolved and will still be going on when we've turned into cyborgs or whatever.
But it's no excuse for dumping pollutants and wilfully making the planet a miserable place to live.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
I may be wrong here, but I was under the impression that it was the growth of life itself that essentially converted the Earths atmosphere into its present form.
And that it is life (plants, trees etc) that sustain the atmosphere in that form.
As far as humanity is concerned, it is this particular phase of the atmosphere that we need to be fairly stable, as it supports animal and plant life.
That is why I question the relevance of the fact that the atmosphere pre-life was very different to the atmosphere now (post-life).
Of course it was different- life essentially converted it. What matters is how stable it is in its current form, and if the actions of humanity are destabalising it to any great extent.
I may be wrong here, but I was under the impression that it was the growth of life itself that essentially converted the Earths atmosphere into its present form.
And that it is life (plants, trees etc) that sustain the atmosphere in that form.
As far as humanity is concerned, it is this particular phase of the atmosphere that we need to be fairly stable, as it supports animal and plant life.
That is why I question the relevance of the fact that the atmosphere pre-life was very different to the atmosphere now (post-life).
Of course it was different- life essentially converted it. What matters is how stable it is in its current form, and if the actions of humanity are destabalising it to any great extent.
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Stargazer
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Posted:
No - I'm not concerned... why?
Because I consider us humans look at this planet through the pinhole of a needle - 1 inch above the surface of it and get all excited because we have discovered "the truth"...
Fact is, the weather has changed "dramatically" every once and then over the past. This issue has been raised by environmentalists 1.000.000 times over the year 2005 already.
Looking at the big picture there have been cimatic-changes (due to meteor-impacts, or volcanoe-outbursts - natural catastrophies so to speak)... If your question would adress my concern about the stupidity of the human race to cut down the rainforest and burn all fossil energy sources for short term benefit (i.e. instant profit) despite better knowledge - therefore contributing to the problem - my answer again would be "No!"
Call me des-illusionised... 
Is there really anyone out there, who is not aware of it (still)?
Are you trying to raise awareness of a global climatic change? [sarkasm]Or have you been waiting until you can't pay off your electricity bill because the aircon has to cool your appartment 24/7?[/sarkasm]
At all times, there have been people who "saw" more than the "average joe" and raised their concerns - this thread clearly shows that you are one of them, errm "us" 
Now - what I'd really find helpful are to show ways of local initiatives to DO something about it (car-pools, electricity saving...) and you - participating in one... 
No - I'm not concerned... why?
Because I consider us humans look at this planet through the pinhole of a needle - 1 inch above the surface of it and get all excited because we have discovered "the truth"...
Fact is, the weather has changed "dramatically" every once and then over the past. This issue has been raised by environmentalists 1.000.000 times over the year 2005 already.
Looking at the big picture there have been cimatic-changes (due to meteor-impacts, or volcanoe-outbursts - natural catastrophies so to speak)... If your question would adress my concern about the stupidity of the human race to cut down the rainforest and burn all fossil energy sources for short term benefit (i.e. instant profit) despite better knowledge - therefore contributing to the problem - my answer again would be "No!"
Call me des-illusionised... Is there really anyone out there, who is not aware of it (still)?
Are you trying to raise awareness of a global climatic change? [sarkasm]Or have you been waiting until you can't pay off your electricity bill because the aircon has to cool your appartment 24/7?[/sarkasm]
At all times, there have been people who "saw" more than the "average joe" and raised their concerns - this thread clearly shows that you are one of them, errm "us"
Now - what I'd really find helpful are to show ways of local initiatives to DO something about it (car-pools, electricity saving...) and you - participating in one...
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old hand
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old hand
1,107 posts
Location: In a test pit, Mackay, Australia
Posted:
During the Carboniferous atmospheric oxygen rose to 35% due to an interruption of the carbon cycle; over great swathes of the planet conditions were such that dying vegetation didn't rot, releasing the carbon, but fell into swamps and compressed to form coal. We still have an excess of atmospheric oxygen by the same process.
Sea levels were at their known highest during the Jurassic, with global temperatures being much higher too.
Global temperature and sea level are known to vary on a 40,000 year cycle (the Milankovic Cycle) due to the Earth's orbit being slightly elliptical.
We're at the tail end of an ice-age right now during which most of Northern Europe was under glaciers. The Scandinavian countries are still physically rising through to a release of pressure when the ice melted.
During Roman times the Midlands of England was balmy enough to be a wine-producing area.
The examples I used range from 4.4 billion years BP to 2000 BP and cover every stage of life on Earth from none at all through to us. Atmospheric stability is something that does not naturally occur and life goes on through it all.
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I may be wrong here, but I was under the impression that it was the growth of life itself that essentially converted the Earths atmosphere into its present form.
And that it is life (plants, trees etc) that sustain the atmosphere in that form.
As far as humanity is concerned, it is this particular phase of the atmosphere that we need to be fairly stable, as it supports animal and plant life.
That is why I question the relevance of the fact that the atmosphere pre-life was very different to the atmosphere now (post-life).
During the Carboniferous atmospheric oxygen rose to 35% due to an interruption of the carbon cycle; over great swathes of the planet conditions were such that dying vegetation didn't rot, releasing the carbon, but fell into swamps and compressed to form coal. We still have an excess of atmospheric oxygen by the same process.
Sea levels were at their known highest during the Jurassic, with global temperatures being much higher too.
Global temperature and sea level are known to vary on a 40,000 year cycle (the Milankovic Cycle) due to the Earth's orbit being slightly elliptical.
We're at the tail end of an ice-age right now during which most of Northern Europe was under glaciers. The Scandinavian countries are still physically rising through to a release of pressure when the ice melted.
During Roman times the Midlands of England was balmy enough to be a wine-producing area.
The examples I used range from 4.4 billion years BP to 2000 BP and cover every stage of life on Earth from none at all through to us. Atmospheric stability is something that does not naturally occur and life goes on through it all.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted:
I think most people are aware of the fact that whatever humanity does to the planet, life will continue- even an all-out nuclear war won't end life.
I think the concern is more about whether billions of people are going to die due to climate change, especially if that climate change is caused, or excarbated, by human actions.
As you say, life continued through the last ice age, however, during the time when 'most of Northern Europe was under glaciers'- that obviously was not a good place for people to be
And one of the real possibilites being considered by scientists, is that a possible climate change in the near future stops the Gulf stream, leading to ice-age conditions for Britain. As a UK resident, this is something which would trouble me personally.
I think most people are aware of the fact that whatever humanity does to the planet, life will continue- even an all-out nuclear war won't end life.
I think the concern is more about whether billions of people are going to die due to climate change, especially if that climate change is caused, or excarbated, by human actions.
As you say, life continued through the last ice age, however, during the time when 'most of Northern Europe was under glaciers'- that obviously was not a good place for people to be
And one of the real possibilites being considered by scientists, is that a possible climate change in the near future stops the Gulf stream, leading to ice-age conditions for Britain. As a UK resident, this is something which would trouble me personally.
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HOP Mad Doctor
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
When I was 10 the lake I grew up on would freeze every year and we'd go cross-country skiing on it.
When I was 16 you'd have been daft to. Now the lake rarely even freezes over.
The effects are being felt more in some places than in others, but last year in Michigan I sat outside comfortably without a shirt on on New Year's Eve.
When I was 10 the lake I grew up on would freeze every year and we'd go cross-country skiing on it.
When I was 16 you'd have been daft to. Now the lake rarely even freezes over.
The effects are being felt more in some places than in others, but last year in Michigan I sat outside comfortably without a shirt on on New Year's Eve.
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Stargazer
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Posted:
so after all the climatic change to a warmer climate may
a) benefit sitting outside w/o a shirt on nye and enjoy a pina colada
b) benefit the sunscreen industry
c) increase the opportunity to use solar power
There's always a flipside to the coin...
so after all the climatic change to a warmer climate may
a) benefit sitting outside w/o a shirt on nye and enjoy a pina colada
b) benefit the sunscreen industry
c) increase the opportunity to use solar power
There's always a flipside to the coin...
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Insert Champagne Here
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Location: without class distinction, Australia
Insert Champagne Here
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Location: without class distinction, Australia
Posted:
I don't know what everyone is on about. It's obvious;
Global warming is a result of all the Baby Boomers growing older and therefore all the Baby Boomer Women are going through menopause. The atmosphere just can't handle all those women having hot flushes at once.
I don't know what everyone is on about. It's obvious;
Global warming is a result of all the Baby Boomers growing older and therefore all the Baby Boomer Women are going through menopause. The atmosphere just can't handle all those women having hot flushes at once.
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
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comfortably numb
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Location: The countryside, Australia
Posted:
Nice one Rougie!
Nice one Rougie! .All things are beautiful if we take the time to look.
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Stream Entrant
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Stream Entrant
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
And all the grumpy old men letting off steam
Following on from what Lightning said. In Australia we loose something like 100m of snow line for ever degree rise in temp. And the lakes they used to ice-skate on, now rarely freeze.
And all the grumpy old men letting off steam
Following on from what Lightning said. In Australia we loose something like 100m of snow line for ever degree rise in temp. And the lakes they used to ice-skate on, now rarely freeze.
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Posted:
I have recently heard a new theory (and there are several studies) that it's not just Earth that is warming, but all of the other planets as well. Not to say that polution does not have an effect on our environment...
I don't know much about it, but some think that this is a normal cycle, while others think that the sun may be burning out. (Although now that I type that I wonder how the sun burning out would cause 'universal' warming
)
Anyways, just though I'd throw something else out there.
I have recently heard a new theory (and there are several studies) that it's not just Earth that is warming, but all of the other planets as well. Not to say that polution does not have an effect on our environment...
I don't know much about it, but some think that this is a normal cycle, while others think that the sun may be burning out. (Although now that I type that I wonder how the sun burning out would cause 'universal' warming
)Anyways, just though I'd throw something else out there.
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Scientist of Fortune
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Location: Edinburgh
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Posted:
The sun increases in temperture by 10% every billion years or so. It err, won't be having a noticable effect over a human lifespan.
The sun increases in temperture by 10% every billion years or so. It err, won't be having a noticable effect over a human lifespan.
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Posted:
But we're not just talking about global warming during a human lifespan right?
But we're not just talking about global warming during a human lifespan right?
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Scientist of Fortune
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Location: Edinburgh
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Posted:
We were but if you want to talk about alarming changes in weather over the next million years then go right ahead.
We were but if you want to talk about alarming changes in weather over the next million years then go right ahead.
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Posted:
Sorry, lots of people were actually talking about weather cycles, the ending of the ice ages, etc...
...this is not all within a human lifespan right?
Sorry, lots of people were actually talking about weather cycles, the ending of the ice ages, etc...
...this is not all within a human lifespan right?
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Stream Entrant
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Stream Entrant
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Posted:
Now, this is alarming
Aust CSIRO scientists 'gagged' over climate change13feb06
”SOME of Australia's top scientists say they've been gagged from highlighting concerns about climate change because it could reflect badly on government policy.
After a top NASA scientist last month accused the Bush administration of trying to muzzle him, three eminent Australian scientists have told tonight's ABC's Four Corners program they too have been censored….” .
Now, this is alarming
Aust CSIRO scientists 'gagged' over climate change13feb06
”SOME of Australia's top scientists say they've been gagged from highlighting concerns about climate change because it could reflect badly on government policy.
After a top NASA scientist last month accused the Bush administration of trying to muzzle him, three eminent Australian scientists have told tonight's ABC's Four Corners program they too have been censored….” .
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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Location: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
Posted:
We really need to start accelerating global warming to try to fight the next ice age.
https://upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060207-041447-2345r
We really need to start accelerating global warming to try to fight the next ice age.
https://upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060207-041447-2345r
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Posted:
Spoken like a politician, Patriarch917.
Sure there are fluctuations in the sun’s output, but I was referring to global warming induced by the Greenhouse Effect.
More specifically, global warming as a human-induced intensification of the greenhouse effect. Where the increased volumes of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are released mainly by the burning of fossil fuels.
Spoken like a politician, Patriarch917.
Sure there are fluctuations in the sun’s output, but I was referring to global warming induced by the Greenhouse Effect.
More specifically, global warming as a human-induced intensification of the greenhouse effect. Where the increased volumes of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are released mainly by the burning of fossil fuels.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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Posted:
do you think the caveman started to cut down on their fires when they noticed the glacier receeding...
ok seriously though
global warming is not really a fact, it is a commonly accepted theory that may be part of propaganda by political engines to garner votes...
yes the weather patterns are changing...killer bees are moving north, weather systems are more violent and common...but it is change, not destruction of the environment...
there is a plateau in Tibet? that is rising a few inches every year, this plane of land affects almost all the weather patterns by affecting the winds...you change the winds they change the temperature of air brought to a location changing the weather that location recieves...
this is one thing that has been noticed where i live and that is winters are warmer but overall summers are cooler...this is all shifting of weather patterns and climates...while we have an affect on the atmosphere to think we have a greater affect than a volcano or all the cow farts is sort of narcissitic
just a former conservationists major's view
do you think the caveman started to cut down on their fires when they noticed the glacier receeding...
ok seriously though
global warming is not really a fact, it is a commonly accepted theory that may be part of propaganda by political engines to garner votes...
yes the weather patterns are changing...killer bees are moving north, weather systems are more violent and common...but it is change, not destruction of the environment...
there is a plateau in Tibet? that is rising a few inches every year, this plane of land affects almost all the weather patterns by affecting the winds...you change the winds they change the temperature of air brought to a location changing the weather that location recieves...
this is one thing that has been noticed where i live and that is winters are warmer but overall summers are cooler...this is all shifting of weather patterns and climates...while we have an affect on the atmosphere to think we have a greater affect than a volcano or all the cow farts is sort of narcissitic
just a former conservationists major's view
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Scientist of Fortune
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Location: Edinburgh
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Posted:
Globaly there is a general trend towards higher tempertures. Carbon dioxide and methane are more opaque to thermal radiation than visual so any increase in their levels will lead to an increase in tempertures. The severity of the increases and the secondary effects are debatable however but climate scietists are probably the best placed to make predictions on the topic.
Globaly there is a general trend towards higher tempertures. Carbon dioxide and methane are more opaque to thermal radiation than visual so any increase in their levels will lead to an increase in tempertures. The severity of the increases and the secondary effects are debatable however but climate scietists are probably the best placed to make predictions on the topic.
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Pooh-Bah
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Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
As far as I'm aware, the vast majority of politicians are in complete denial that global warming is happening, and they steadfastly refuse to fund either further research into it, or alternative methods of power generation/fuel sources. So I'm not sure where your angle comes in that global warming has been invented by them to get more votes? 
Written by: faithinfire
global warming is not really a fact, it is a commonly accepted theory that may be part of propaganda by political engines to garner votes
As far as I'm aware, the vast majority of politicians are in complete denial that global warming is happening, and they steadfastly refuse to fund either further research into it, or alternative methods of power generation/fuel sources. So I'm not sure where your angle comes in that global warming has been invented by them to get more votes? After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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Posted:
depends on which political train you are on
stupid republicans being in office so long just don't care about the environment you know
just because they don't do anything about it in office doesn't mean that this does not got trotted out everytime there is some sort of election
i did not say it was invented by politicians because it is a scientific theory but i do think that it was hijacked-think DAY AFTER TOMORROW
they hyperboled the theory and then took shots at those in political control
but we are a little offtopic being this is alarming changes in weather
earwigs are moving north when i was little we had none of those creepy little insects but now they are everywhere...nasty little buggers
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depends on which political train you are on
stupid republicans being in office so long just don't care about the environment you know
just because they don't do anything about it in office doesn't mean that this does not got trotted out everytime there is some sort of election
i did not say it was invented by politicians because it is a scientific theory but i do think that it was hijacked-think DAY AFTER TOMORROW
they hyperboled the theory and then took shots at those in political control
but we are a little offtopic being this is alarming changes in weather
earwigs are moving north when i was little we had none of those creepy little insects but now they are everywhere...nasty little buggers
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Faith
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Pooh-Bah
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Pooh-Bah
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Location: York University, United Kingdom
Posted:
Let's assume I'm not American and therefore have no conception of what it means to be Republican any more than you probably have of what it means to be a Liberal Democrat.
I assume G.W. Bush is a Republican?
I would argue that Global warming is as much a fact as the holes we've sliced in the ozone layer throughout the 20th Century. That people make it into a political issue doesn't mean that it's automatically not a fact.
Oh, and I would consider Global Warming to be a very alarming change in our weather
Let's assume I'm not American and therefore have no conception of what it means to be Republican any more than you probably have of what it means to be a Liberal Democrat.
I assume G.W. Bush is a Republican?
I would argue that Global warming is as much a fact as the holes we've sliced in the ozone layer throughout the 20th Century. That people make it into a political issue doesn't mean that it's automatically not a fact.
Oh, and I would consider Global Warming to be a very alarming change in our weather
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Scientist of Fortune
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Location: Edinburgh
Posted:
Technicaly it's a change in the climate, not the weather...
Technicaly it's a change in the climate, not the weather...
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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wandering thru the woods of WI
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Posted:
yay for semantics
scientifically, it is a theory and not a fact and as i mentioned earlier there is at least one other viable explanation and i believe that others have provided others...these too are theories
the holes are also up for question as to how big and such i had one professor propose that they may not even be there in an advance conservation class.
your political jabs are cute and ineffectual
(this issue is politicially beyond the realm of the US, so i wasn't being specific except in the movie reference and only there because those were specifically at cheney and bush)
so getting back on topic what is alarming you about the weather
yay for semantics
scientifically, it is a theory and not a fact and as i mentioned earlier there is at least one other viable explanation and i believe that others have provided others...these too are theories
the holes are also up for question as to how big and such i had one professor propose that they may not even be there in an advance conservation class.
your political jabs are cute and ineffectual
(this issue is politicially beyond the realm of the US, so i wasn't being specific except in the movie reference and only there because those were specifically at cheney and bush)
so getting back on topic what is alarming you about the weather
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Scientist of Fortune
1,189 posts
Location: Edinburgh
1,189 posts
Location: Edinburgh
Posted:
Dammit, stop misusing the word theory, people! How often do people say this about the theory of gravity? Theory does not mean 'an unsubstantiated guess of hunch' as it does to lay people.
The difference to the opacity of CO2 and methane is undeniable. Any increase will lead to increasing mean global tempertures.
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scientifically, it is a theory and not a fact
Dammit, stop misusing the word theory, people! How often do people say this about the theory of gravity? Theory does not mean 'an unsubstantiated guess of hunch' as it does to lay people.
Written by: Wikipedia
Theories are typically ways of explaining why things happen, often, but not always after their occurrence is no longer in scientific dispute. For example, "global warming" refers to the observation that worldwide temperatures seem to be increasing. The "theory of global warming" refers instead to scientific work that attempts to explain how and why this could be happening.
The difference to the opacity of CO2 and methane is undeniable. Any increase will lead to increasing mean global tempertures.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
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