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Did anyone watch this?
How in gods name could anyone consider a lousy sporting moment more world changing than something like Martin Luther King's speech?
For those who didn't see it, the program was basically 50 news clips in a countdown of what was "world changing".
What really annoyed me was how sport was actually in there at all.
Lame!
Did anyone watch this?
How in gods name could anyone consider a lousy sporting moment more world changing than something like Martin Luther King's speech?
For those who didn't see it, the program was basically 50 news clips in a countdown of what was "world changing".
What really annoyed me was how sport was actually in there at all.
Lame!
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Care to elaborate on what exactly it was that happened in sport for those of us who couldn't/didn't see it?
Care to elaborate on what exactly it was that happened in sport for those of us who couldn't/didn't see it?
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umm this had better not be the ashes!!!
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It was mostly footvall and rugby., anbd some of the shots included "The hand of God" by Marradona (sp) and Jonny Wilkenson's rugby kick.
The ashes weren't included (or if they were they were somewhere near the bottom 50, cos I started watching it late in) but some moments like the fall of the berlin wall were beaten by sport, which is just mental..
It was mostly footvall and rugby., anbd some of the shots included "The hand of God" by Marradona (sp) and Jonny Wilkenson's rugby kick.
The ashes weren't included (or if they were they were somewhere near the bottom 50, cos I started watching it late in) but some moments like the fall of the berlin wall were beaten by sport, which is just mental..
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i agree to an extent...but FRD you've got to realise how much sport affects peoples lives.
Think about how uplifted or downtrodden a nation can be after just 1 football/rugby match.
It can inspire national pride, healthy living (as people take up sport to recreate moments) and therefore prolong peoples lives.
It brings people closer together or creates animosity, rioting and bloodshed.
1 olympic games can provide facilities for a nations health requirements (including the paralympics) and turn a profit to improve a nations economy, along with increased tourism effects.
I agree that there have been many world shaking events that should overshadow sport, but remember the mood of england after we won the rugby world cup? bouyant.
also remember it was an ENGLISH T.V show, so should probably have been "the shot that shook the U.K
(there is a lot more to sport than kicking a ball dude)
i agree to an extent...but FRD you've got to realise how much sport affects peoples lives.
Think about how uplifted or downtrodden a nation can be after just 1 football/rugby match.
It can inspire national pride, healthy living (as people take up sport to recreate moments) and therefore prolong peoples lives.
It brings people closer together or creates animosity, rioting and bloodshed.
1 olympic games can provide facilities for a nations health requirements (including the paralympics) and turn a profit to improve a nations economy, along with increased tourism effects.
I agree that there have been many world shaking events that should overshadow sport, but remember the mood of england after we won the rugby world cup? bouyant.
also remember it was an ENGLISH T.V show, so should probably have been "the shot that shook the U.K
(there is a lot more to sport than kicking a ball dude)
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It definitly won't provide for a nations health requirements as fitness is not the same as health.
Moderate cardiovascular fitness is a component of health, and not the most important one.
Most top atheletes are not particularly healthy, because, by the nature of being at the edge of their potential, they tend to be highly susceptible stressing their recovery and immune system.
Couple this with the high injury risk of most sports when played at a high competitive level (look at the injuries in football for example) and the high rate of drug abuse in high level competitive sports (eg bodybuilding where steroid use is pretty much necessary to compete).
Fact is that competing in sport at a top level is bad for your health, and, to a lesser extent, some of those issues apply at lower levels.
That's debatable and was discussed here on a thread some weeks back, where many pointed out that the cost of putting on an olympics is generally not offset by any money resulting from it.
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1 olympic games can provide facilities for a nations health requirements
It definitly won't provide for a nations health requirements as fitness is not the same as health.
Moderate cardiovascular fitness is a component of health, and not the most important one.
Most top atheletes are not particularly healthy, because, by the nature of being at the edge of their potential, they tend to be highly susceptible stressing their recovery and immune system.
Couple this with the high injury risk of most sports when played at a high competitive level (look at the injuries in football for example) and the high rate of drug abuse in high level competitive sports (eg bodybuilding where steroid use is pretty much necessary to compete).
Fact is that competing in sport at a top level is bad for your health, and, to a lesser extent, some of those issues apply at lower levels.
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and turn a profit to improve a nations economy, along with increased tourism effects.
That's debatable and was discussed here on a thread some weeks back, where many pointed out that the cost of putting on an olympics is generally not offset by any money resulting from it.
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Its not that I don't enjoy sport, its just that surely there are other things that are universally more important than a few goals...
Its not that I don't enjoy sport, its just that surely there are other things that are universally more important than a few goals...
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For me, it may be seeing the planes crash into the twin towers.
I think that one event has pretty much kicked started something in the world that is going to go mental. The Bush adminstration really started to get heavy. "invading" Afghanistan and Iraq (amonsgt other things), and after the atrocities of the pictures of abusing the prisoners, and even I saw in todays Metro paper about how the American troops can swap their pictures of dead bodies in Iraq and if they are gory enough, they can swap them for porn!
Things like this are only likely to cause more anger and hatred towards America and its allies, not to mention stir up more support for Muslim extreemists.
I can see this world slowly starting to collapse as more and more harsh things happen.
Side note: I think its wierd that this is the sort of things they will be teaching in history lessons in 100 years. I would love to see how it will be described
For me, it may be seeing the planes crash into the twin towers.
I think that one event has pretty much kicked started something in the world that is going to go mental. The Bush adminstration really started to get heavy. "invading" Afghanistan and Iraq (amonsgt other things), and after the atrocities of the pictures of abusing the prisoners, and even I saw in todays Metro paper about how the American troops can swap their pictures of dead bodies in Iraq and if they are gory enough, they can swap them for porn!
Things like this are only likely to cause more anger and hatred towards America and its allies, not to mention stir up more support for Muslim extreemists.
I can see this world slowly starting to collapse as more and more harsh things happen.
Side note: I think its wierd that this is the sort of things they will be teaching in history lessons in 100 years. I would love to see how it will be described
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No doubt every country weill twist it some how...
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Side note: I think its wierd that this is the sort of things they will be teaching in history lessons in 100 years. I would love to see how it will be described
No doubt every country weill twist it some how...
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Dave
Appart from cardio vascular fitness you have
flexibilty
muscle endurance
muscle speed
and a few others I won't go into.
I said provide "facilities"
Health & fitness are linked (or why do doctors tell you to get exercise) exercise also has effects that are thought to help with depression & other pshycological problems (seriously)
Yes top flight sport can be bad for the body but I was talking about improvements in local facilities. these can be used by EVERYBODY. Not just top athletes.
and finally: "EVERY olympics since Los Angeles has turned a profit" (journal of sports and exercise science). THAT is one of the main reasons why bidding for them is so fierce. (trust me on this 7 years of sports science teaches beyond the ranges of how to kick a ball)
Dave
Appart from cardio vascular fitness you have
flexibilty
muscle endurance
muscle speed
and a few others I won't go into.
I said provide "facilities"
Health & fitness are linked (or why do doctors tell you to get exercise) exercise also has effects that are thought to help with depression & other pshycological problems (seriously)
Yes top flight sport can be bad for the body but I was talking about improvements in local facilities. these can be used by EVERYBODY. Not just top athletes.
and finally: "EVERY olympics since Los Angeles has turned a profit" (journal of sports and exercise science). THAT is one of the main reasons why bidding for them is so fierce. (trust me on this 7 years of sports science teaches beyond the ranges of how to kick a ball
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I checked this out, because i never believed in the old adage, curiosity was framed, and the cats in hiding in Bali.
It was an ITV show, and you had to vote on the best shot from the ITV News during the last 50 years. The 50 shots were divided into five categories: Global Conflict, People Power & Politics, Human Tragedy, World Firsts and Sporting Greats. You could vote once in each of the categories. It was done online and you got to view the clips and then vote.
Sporting elements rate higher in the top 50 because it was voted on more. This isnt really a problem with the program, and doesnt mean that Maradonnas "Hand of God" incident was more world changing than the collapse of the Berlin Wall, it just seems
that more people were interested in voting for Sporting Greats than People Power and Politics.
You can still see all fifty clips at https://www.itn-theshot.com/Index.aspx
I checked this out, because i never believed in the old adage, curiosity was framed, and the cats in hiding in Bali.
It was an ITV show, and you had to vote on the best shot from the ITV News during the last 50 years. The 50 shots were divided into five categories: Global Conflict, People Power & Politics, Human Tragedy, World Firsts and Sporting Greats. You could vote once in each of the categories. It was done online and you got to view the clips and then vote.
Sporting elements rate higher in the top 50 because it was voted on more. This isnt really a problem with the program, and doesnt mean that Maradonnas "Hand of God" incident was more world changing than the collapse of the Berlin Wall, it just seems
that more people were interested in voting for Sporting Greats than People Power and Politics.
You can still see all fifty clips at https://www.itn-theshot.com/Index.aspx
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As someone who personally doesn't enjoy watching or participating in sport, and is sick to death of hearing about it, to think that the fall of the Berlin Wall or Martin Luther King's speech was beaten by any sporting moment ever is disgusting. Perhaps if people could get their priorities sorted the world would be less of a mess, but racial equality and the fall of communism clearly aren't as important in the lives of most people as some men being paid millions to run around after a leather ball for an hour and a half.
I don't blame the programme, but I do think our society needs to see a shift towards a more politically and culturally educated system, rather than condoning "Red-tops = funny news, celebs (? Questionable) tits and footy" in the same category (to its readers) as an actual newspaper, etc.
As someone who personally doesn't enjoy watching or participating in sport, and is sick to death of hearing about it, to think that the fall of the Berlin Wall or Martin Luther King's speech was beaten by any sporting moment ever is disgusting. Perhaps if people could get their priorities sorted the world would be less of a mess, but racial equality and the fall of communism clearly aren't as important in the lives of most people as some men being paid millions to run around after a leather ball for an hour and a half.
I don't blame the programme, but I do think our society needs to see a shift towards a more politically and culturally educated system, rather than condoning "Red-tops = funny news, celebs (? Questionable) tits and footy" in the same category (to its readers) as an actual newspaper, etc.
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Totally agree with you, nearly_all_gone...
Piroriteies of some people are just a little werid...
Totally agree with you, nearly_all_gone...
Piroriteies of some people are just a little werid...
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Sport seems to have a more nationalistic affect in england than most other countries I've talked to people in, its not entirely surprising that more people voted on it.
I'm not positively convinced that people being more involved in politics than sports will yeild anything good... but then I'm living in land of obeisity and the blame game, so my view is going to be skewed... Its just there are so many people out there with such strange views- we- have enough of those already, too... this is going to be a completly unsupoortable opinion to 95% of you so I shaint bother... it might not apply in england in any event.
Yes, we should get rid of the focus on celebrities tho, we've built the media into a machine for making people think about other people's lives all the time so they never improve their own... for example, reporting on Kimi Raikonnens possible shenanigans with a hooker, i mean, really people, does it matter? (Or, you know, obsessing over Mr Clinton and his white house interns....) (Or Britney Spears reproducing, altho this one is good for at least some mild fear...)
Just, in general, its a particuarly bad form of excapism. But we;re socialized to it. And this has turned into such a bizarre rant I've completly lost my points... some one let me know if they find them again....
Sport seems to have a more nationalistic affect in england than most other countries I've talked to people in, its not entirely surprising that more people voted on it.
I'm not positively convinced that people being more involved in politics than sports will yeild anything good... but then I'm living in land of obeisity and the blame game, so my view is going to be skewed... Its just there are so many people out there with such strange views- we- have enough of those already, too... this is going to be a completly unsupoortable opinion to 95% of you so I shaint bother... it might not apply in england in any event.
Yes, we should get rid of the focus on celebrities tho, we've built the media into a machine for making people think about other people's lives all the time so they never improve their own... for example, reporting on Kimi Raikonnens possible shenanigans with a hooker, i mean, really people, does it matter? (Or, you know, obsessing over Mr Clinton and his white house interns....) (Or Britney Spears reproducing, altho this one is good for at least some mild fear...)
Just, in general, its a particuarly bad form of excapism. But we;re socialized to it. And this has turned into such a bizarre rant I've completly lost my points... some one let me know if they find them again....
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But more people being educated in politics and culture surely would. Simply because a few people believe odd things, in a democratic society people should have a say in the running of their contry. Too many people make uninformed or prejudicial choices in elections, including non-voters. If people had a genuine idea of the meanings of policies and what parties represented, they might make a better decision, or *heaven forbid* a slightly different party might come to power, rather than the mirror images we have as "viable" representitives at the moment.
For instance, if more people really understood the looming energy crisis and the full impact of pollution on their health and the planet as a whole, I believe (well, I hope) more people would vote green. As it is, they're seen as unelectable.
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I'm not positively convinced that people being more involved in politics than sports will yeild anything good...
But more people being educated in politics and culture surely would. Simply because a few people believe odd things, in a democratic society people should have a say in the running of their contry. Too many people make uninformed or prejudicial choices in elections, including non-voters. If people had a genuine idea of the meanings of policies and what parties represented, they might make a better decision, or *heaven forbid* a slightly different party might come to power, rather than the mirror images we have as "viable" representitives at the moment.
For instance, if more people really understood the looming energy crisis and the full impact of pollution on their health and the planet as a whole, I believe (well, I hope) more people would vote green. As it is, they're seen as unelectable.
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You have to convince them is the problem. I'm all for education, but completly unsure how you go about educating people! And more often than we'd like to think things being taught in school entrenches people against beliving them :/
I guess its not that I disagree, its that I don't see how it could be accomplished. Anyone who figures it out would probably be deserving of the nobel peace prize.....
You have to convince them is the problem. I'm all for education, but completly unsure how you go about educating people! And more often than we'd like to think things being taught in school entrenches people against beliving them :/
I guess its not that I disagree, its that I don't see how it could be accomplished. Anyone who figures it out would probably be deserving of the nobel peace prize..... Keep your dream alive
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To be honest, I reckon its the media thats what does it. We fell into this whole mentality that celeberaties and sport are really important, more so than our own lives, and tv and even the papers (god I hate newspapers) just feeds the belief....
To be honest, I reckon its the media thats what does it. We fell into this whole mentality that celeberaties and sport are really important, more so than our own lives, and tv and even the papers (god I hate newspapers) just feeds the belief....
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Ok I seem to be taking the moral low ground but:
Is anyone really surprised at the results?
in something like this people are looking for 100% feel good.
questions:
Do you REALLY expect the British to care about the berlin wall (in a country we've had 2 wars with)
Are white people going to want to remember martin luther king? (and bring up memorys of racial hatred and oppression)
You are not talking about footballers being paid millions (they get that because football earns so much revenue would you work where you were the most important asset and not want a cut)
what seems to be occurring here is political lovers versus entertainment (very bad analogy I'm sorry)
has anyone here even thought that the programme was "entertainment" so of course entertainment based moments would do well.
Its not a world view it's a view of people who watch T.V.
Ok I seem to be taking the moral low ground but:
Is anyone really surprised at the results?
in something like this people are looking for 100% feel good.
questions:
Do you REALLY expect the British to care about the berlin wall (in a country we've had 2 wars with)
Are white people going to want to remember martin luther king? (and bring up memorys of racial hatred and oppression)
You are not talking about footballers being paid millions (they get that because football earns so much revenue would you work where you were the most important asset and not want a cut)
what seems to be occurring here is political lovers versus entertainment (very bad analogy I'm sorry)
has anyone here even thought that the programme was "entertainment" so of course entertainment based moments would do well.
Its not a world view it's a view of people who watch T.V.
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Is it really that surprising?
Children grow up repeatedly hearing about how england last won the world cup in 1966, how Maradona scored by punching the ball into the back of the net and the like.
I doubt many have the fall of the Berlin wall or Martin Luther King's speech fully explained to them.
The program was a vote of the most memorable events that IT have covered - to people born after Martin Luther King was killed, his speech is not memorable at all - we didn't see it happening and we don't get told much about it at school.
That's not to say that we're completely ignorant, but it just can't compare to an event that happened while we were watching or that we had drummed into us at school.
Is it really that surprising?
Children grow up repeatedly hearing about how england last won the world cup in 1966, how Maradona scored by punching the ball into the back of the net and the like.
I doubt many have the fall of the Berlin wall or Martin Luther King's speech fully explained to them.
The program was a vote of the most memorable events that IT have covered - to people born after Martin Luther King was killed, his speech is not memorable at all - we didn't see it happening and we don't get told much about it at school.
That's not to say that we're completely ignorant, but it just can't compare to an event that happened while we were watching or that we had drummed into us at school.
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I hate sports so much, and I agree with nearly_all_gone. To be honest I think it was ITV that messed up.
firstly its a show for ratings, but disguised as a gritty on edge political programe about the world, showing everyone how wonderful and careing and marvolouse ITV is for giving us such interlectual programes of the highest class and orrgionality. ITV had good PA people.
They threw in the sports to get ratings, and put the rest in to disguise it, what they should have done was miss out sport because, who really gives a sh*t about when england won a football match over starving children in africa, or princess Dianna being in a car crash. Except the meet heads who go down to the pub everyday for a pint and to watch football and go around saying 'go on my son' and 'phwaar' 'fit lass', get shaved heads, borken noses couse of all the bar fights the've been in, beer bellys, man breats and unforfilled wives.
Losers.
Its shamefull the way ITV put sports crap in with a bunch of important politcal things, actualy having the nerve to put them on the same level. If they wanted to do a sports show they shoulda done the greatest sporting moments of all time or something, not this sham.
I hate sports so much, and I agree with nearly_all_gone. To be honest I think it was ITV that messed up.
firstly its a show for ratings, but disguised as a gritty on edge political programe about the world, showing everyone how wonderful and careing and marvolouse ITV is for giving us such interlectual programes of the highest class and orrgionality. ITV had good PA people.
They threw in the sports to get ratings, and put the rest in to disguise it, what they should have done was miss out sport because, who really gives a sh*t about when england won a football match over starving children in africa, or princess Dianna being in a car crash. Except the meet heads who go down to the pub everyday for a pint and to watch football and go around saying 'go on my son' and 'phwaar' 'fit lass', get shaved heads, borken noses couse of all the bar fights the've been in, beer bellys, man breats and unforfilled wives.
Losers.
Its shamefull the way ITV put sports crap in with a bunch of important politcal things, actualy having the nerve to put them on the same level. If they wanted to do a sports show they shoulda done the greatest sporting moments of all time or something, not this sham.
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can I ask why you hate sports so much? coz thats a lot of things you're throwing into the mixer.
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I hate sports so much,
can I ask why you hate sports so much? coz thats a lot of things you're throwing into the mixer.
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Just anouther example of the jingoistic and sports obsessed Brithish public...
Just anouther example of the jingoistic and sports obsessed Brithish public...
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why the sad face jeff. why is an obsession with sport any worse than say....an obsession with poi? both bring happiness and frustration. teach motor skills. and can help improve fitness, And I have read on one of the threads that there is competetive spinning....that makes poi....a sport, and no longer an art form.
a definition of sport -
an active pastime.
an activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of customs and can be undertaken competitively.
there are other definitions, but there you go
why the sad face jeff. why is an obsession with sport any worse than say....an obsession with poi? both bring happiness and frustration. teach motor skills. and can help improve fitness, And I have read on one of the threads that there is competetive spinning....that makes poi....a sport, and no longer an art form.
a definition of sport -
an active pastime.
an activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of customs and can be undertaken competitively.
there are other definitions, but there you go
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Oh ok maybie I dont hate sport now I think about it, why did I write that hmm
Oh ok maybie I dont hate sport now I think about it, why did I write that hmm
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Posted:
You said-
The olympic games can provide facilities for a nations sports requirements, but, as I pointed out earlier, sports do not equal health.
As I said before, fitness is a component of health, just not the most important one.
Fitness, flexibility etc can all be improved without doing sport- exercise is what is needed.
The advantage of a well thought out exercise strategy over sports include- less chance of injury and less likelyhood of pushing yourself too hard due to sporting competitiveness.
I'm in no way arguing here that there isn't a place for sport, but, in our culture it's pushed down peoples throats from school age onwards.
There's far better ways to improve one's health than sport, and there are ways to improve one's fitness that are just as effective as sport.
By it's very nature, sport, as a competitive activity, has substantial elements of exclusion built into it.
That's not to say that it's bad; I just don't like the way it's 'pushed' by society and elevated to a position it, IMO, doesn't really deserve.
Health, fitness and mental well-being are superb things to aspire to, and there are many ways to move closer to that goal.
The traditional view of sports is that they aspire to those goals (eg the olympic ideal); yet the reality is actually far from it.
In top level sports the same aspects rear their heads- the competitiveness encourages cheating (eg in football pushing tackles to the limit of what is 'legal', leading to maimed professional players), drugs (eg, bodybuilding, once the epitomy of health, fitness and bodily development; now a freak show for bloated, steroid riddled human cattle) and psycological trauma.
The noble goals of health, fitness and mental well-being come well behind 'winning' and financial profit in most (not necessarily all) sports.
I'll repeat again, I have nothing against the idea of sport itself, I'd just like to see equal resourses ploughed into activities that are at least as worthy as sports; eg access to yoga, circus skills and non-competition based fitness activities, in the form of good facilities for all members of the community from school age upwards.
Written by: Mynci
I said provide "facilities"
You said-
Written by: Mynci
1 olympic games can provide facilities for a nations health requirements
The olympic games can provide facilities for a nations sports requirements, but, as I pointed out earlier, sports do not equal health.
Written by: Mynci
Dave
Appart from cardio vascular fitness you have
flexibilty
muscle endurance
muscle speed
and a few others I won't go into.
Health & fitness are linked (or why do doctors tell you to get exercise) exercise also has effects that are thought to help with depression & other pshycological problems (seriously)
As I said before, fitness is a component of health, just not the most important one.
Fitness, flexibility etc can all be improved without doing sport- exercise is what is needed.
The advantage of a well thought out exercise strategy over sports include- less chance of injury and less likelyhood of pushing yourself too hard due to sporting competitiveness.
I'm in no way arguing here that there isn't a place for sport, but, in our culture it's pushed down peoples throats from school age onwards.
There's far better ways to improve one's health than sport, and there are ways to improve one's fitness that are just as effective as sport.
By it's very nature, sport, as a competitive activity, has substantial elements of exclusion built into it.
That's not to say that it's bad; I just don't like the way it's 'pushed' by society and elevated to a position it, IMO, doesn't really deserve.
Health, fitness and mental well-being are superb things to aspire to, and there are many ways to move closer to that goal.
The traditional view of sports is that they aspire to those goals (eg the olympic ideal); yet the reality is actually far from it.
In top level sports the same aspects rear their heads- the competitiveness encourages cheating (eg in football pushing tackles to the limit of what is 'legal', leading to maimed professional players), drugs (eg, bodybuilding, once the epitomy of health, fitness and bodily development; now a freak show for bloated, steroid riddled human cattle) and psycological trauma.
The noble goals of health, fitness and mental well-being come well behind 'winning' and financial profit in most (not necessarily all) sports.
I'll repeat again, I have nothing against the idea of sport itself, I'd just like to see equal resourses ploughed into activities that are at least as worthy as sports; eg access to yoga, circus skills and non-competition based fitness activities, in the form of good facilities for all members of the community from school age upwards.
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Location: South Wales
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Location: South Wales
Posted:
Serious question: OWD, where was the thread where you said that last paragraph or something along those lines? Was it in the thread about people like us finding something to be good at? i seem to remember there were loads of great points in that thread.
Serious question: OWD, where was the thread where you said that last paragraph or something along those lines? Was it in the thread about people like us finding something to be good at?
i seem to remember there were loads of great points in that thread. SILVER Member
Pooh-Bah
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Pooh-Bah
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Posted:
I'm sorry mynci, but you have a good deal of convincing to do if you want me to see how it's even possible to compare any form of entertainment, regardless of what it is, with some of the most important, moving and fundamentally profound events in the recent history of our species. Perhaps if you were talking about art I could understand it.. but sport? It epitomises pretty much everything bad about the human race. Competitiveness, greed (whatever you say, being paid millions for flicking a bit of leather about is ridiculous), agression... it exists only as a vent for the unpleasant instincts we recognise as negative traits elsewhere in our daily lives.
I'm not suggesting it's surprising, I'm suggesting it's disgusting. I'm calling for further education on these things from a young age, so people do know what these things are when they're growing up. These events are really fundamentally important - without a knowledge of events like these, the things they stand against can happen again. If people wake up to how important they are, I don't think they'd compare them to a pointless game of football. What difference does it make who wins? Does football decide if people live or die? Until we address the more important issues we face as a species, as a planet, I think sport should be pretty
low on the list of priorities, personally.
So yeah, great exercise, not so sure on the whole "most important events" front.
I'm sorry mynci, but you have a good deal of convincing to do if you want me to see how it's even possible to compare any form of entertainment, regardless of what it is, with some of the most important, moving and fundamentally profound events in the recent history of our species. Perhaps if you were talking about art I could understand it.. but sport? It epitomises pretty much everything bad about the human race. Competitiveness, greed (whatever you say, being paid millions for flicking a bit of leather about is ridiculous), agression... it exists only as a vent for the unpleasant instincts we recognise as negative traits elsewhere in our daily lives.
I'm not suggesting it's surprising, I'm suggesting it's disgusting. I'm calling for further education on these things from a young age, so people do know what these things are when they're growing up. These events are really fundamentally important - without a knowledge of events like these, the things they stand against can happen again. If people wake up to how important they are, I don't think they'd compare them to a pointless game of football. What difference does it make who wins? Does football decide if people live or die? Until we address the more important issues we face as a species, as a planet, I think sport should be pretty
low on the list of priorities, personally.So yeah, great exercise, not so sure on the whole "most important events" front.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
2,666 posts
Location: Preston, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
2,666 posts
Location: Preston, United Kingdom
Posted:
Something about football that bugs me is the waste of money that goes on, why cant even half the money these over payed players get go into something usefull like oh I dunno, the NHS, not some millionares bank account.
Something about football that bugs me is the waste of money that goes on, why cant even half the money these over payed players get go into something usefull like oh I dunno, the NHS, not some millionares bank account.
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Dreamer
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Location: York, England
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Location: York, England
Posted:
Sports bring nations together, they cross backgrounds and social barriers to being people closer.
The original olympics were meant as a way to settle disagreements without war, and I don't think we should forget about that kind of history.. and how sport can take a lot of those urges and channel them into something more productive. Maybe they still do sh*t things, but less people are killed by football riots than would be killed by wars, or even by many other types of "turf fights"
Martin Luther Kings speech isn't something everyone can relate to. Yes, we don't get taught enough about it, its not made real enough, but there isn't a place for everyone in it anymore than there's a place for everyone in football or cricket or basketball or whatever, either on teams or sidelines. The fall of the berlin wall, tienamen square... all big events, but for people my age we can't remember them. I lived in west germany, but my only memories are of the apartment I lived in... I have pictures, but nothing else, to prove to me what it was like. There's not much currently for many people living in privledged countries to relate to. And without that, they will just fade into the distance as history.
I'm for whatever is going to bring people closer and make them aspire to something more, and if its england in a world cup is going to help people come together than who are you to say that its not important? Its not going to do that for everyone.... but, nothing does. Instead of creating even more "us and them" mentalities, perhaps we should help people bring back the more positive aspects of sport and do our best to make the more major acts of culture more real, both.
Sports bring nations together, they cross backgrounds and social barriers to being people closer.
The original olympics were meant as a way to settle disagreements without war, and I don't think we should forget about that kind of history.. and how sport can take a lot of those urges and channel them into something more productive. Maybe they still do sh*t things, but less people are killed by football riots than would be killed by wars, or even by many other types of "turf fights"
Martin Luther Kings speech isn't something everyone can relate to. Yes, we don't get taught enough about it, its not made real enough, but there isn't a place for everyone in it anymore than there's a place for everyone in football or cricket or basketball or whatever, either on teams or sidelines. The fall of the berlin wall, tienamen square... all big events, but for people my age we can't remember them. I lived in west germany, but my only memories are of the apartment I lived in... I have pictures, but nothing else, to prove to me what it was like. There's not much currently for many people living in privledged countries to relate to. And without that, they will just fade into the distance as history.
I'm for whatever is going to bring people closer and make them aspire to something more, and if its england in a world cup is going to help people come together than who are you to say that its not important? Its not going to do that for everyone.... but, nothing does. Instead of creating even more "us and them" mentalities, perhaps we should help people bring back the more positive aspects of sport and do our best to make the more major acts of culture more real, both.
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Dreamer
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Location: York, England
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Location: York, England
Posted:
altho i would like to mention i'm with jon in that the planes flying into the twin towers was ultimately one of the most world changing events to happen in modern history.... altho i'm not sure the berlin wall doesn't deserve to be close to that.
altho i would like to mention i'm with jon in that the planes flying into the twin towers was ultimately one of the most world changing events to happen in modern history.... altho i'm not sure the berlin wall doesn't deserve to be close to that.
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Pooh-Bah
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Pooh-Bah
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Posted:
A book group brings people together. Forming a band brings people together. They're creative, they make something beautiful. Poi makes something beautiful. Staff... less so.
jk.. What's aspirational about football, exactly, except wanting to have a flash car and millions of pounds whilst maintaining no actual talent?
And I very much disagree that Martin Luther King's speech isn't something everyone can relate to. What, about having a dream of a racially integrated society? And the fall of the Berlin wall - an end to poverty and oppression in people's lives? That's not something a little more important in the grand scheme of things, even compared to lots of people getting together and shouting across a bit of grass at each other whilst a few people run around aimlessly for a while?
Sport does and says nothing. If you must do it, for health reasons or whatever, keep it to yourself. That's my opinion. I'm sick of people forcing it onto me, "you must like some sport" - well, no I don't. And if I could watch a clip of the goals from the England world cup win or clips of the Berlin wall falling, I think I know which I'd choose. Personally, I think I've got my priorities straight - I acknowledge that there is something more important in people getting their lives back over my own personal entertainment.
Also, I'm not sure I understand your reference to an "us and them mentality" - sport encourages this moreso than most activites. The nationalistic and often xenophobic comments (and scenes) sport produces can be pretty disgusting.
A book group brings people together. Forming a band brings people together. They're creative, they make something beautiful. Poi makes something beautiful. Staff... less so.
jk.. What's aspirational about football, exactly, except wanting to have a flash car and millions of pounds whilst maintaining no actual talent?And I very much disagree that Martin Luther King's speech isn't something everyone can relate to. What, about having a dream of a racially integrated society? And the fall of the Berlin wall - an end to poverty and oppression in people's lives? That's not something a little more important in the grand scheme of things, even compared to lots of people getting together and shouting across a bit of grass at each other whilst a few people run around aimlessly for a while?
Sport does and says nothing. If you must do it, for health reasons or whatever, keep it to yourself. That's my opinion. I'm sick of people forcing it onto me, "you must like some sport" - well, no I don't. And if I could watch a clip of the goals from the England world cup win or clips of the Berlin wall falling, I think I know which I'd choose. Personally, I think I've got my priorities straight - I acknowledge that there is something more important in people getting their lives back over my own personal entertainment.
Also, I'm not sure I understand your reference to an "us and them mentality" - sport encourages this moreso than most activites. The nationalistic and often xenophobic comments (and scenes) sport produces can be pretty disgusting.
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