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The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

Aha, that was my point as to why Martin Luther King didn't rate particularly highly in that program

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

I know. I was trying be ironic (or something) and failed miserably

The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

Fine, I admit that certain sporting events have been life changing.

But most of the events shown on that program (which I believe we were talking about originaly ) were within the last decade or so and definatly represented no important life changing significance (religious/racial freedom or whatever).

The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

Written by: Mynci

BUT NOT ALL SPORT IS COMPETETIVE that is the thing you guys cannot seem to grasp.




You talking to me?

I know not all sports are competitive, *but* the "life changing" ones certainly were. Or have we beaten that topic to death now

The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."

What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau

But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

N.A.G is synchronised swimming not beautiful? gymnastics? as you can see sport leads to artistic endeavor, the beauty of graceful human movement. dance can be competetive therefore must be a sport....is that not also an art?



1 google search to lead to 1 dictionary definition does not prove all sport is competetive. I've spent over 7 years studying sport and have heard nearly ALL the definitions, discussed them and listen to definitions by international governing bodies of sport.



As I said before. frisbee and hacky-sac are classed as sports.and they were developed AS sports to build co-operation with-out competetiveness.



I do like your comment on my defeciency in development. Is it possibly because I enjoying watching a group of children enjoying themselves in a park playing football (competetive).

For someone who appreciates art you seem to miss all the beatuy that is created by man in an instant. Sport can create beauty that is far more fleeting and fragile than a picture. A picture can be looked at often it has longevity...A perfect human movement. balance, poise grace can be gone in an instant and you can feel joy at witnessing the power of human endeavor.



Am I wrong or do artists disagree on the greatest works of art? Fair point they don't mob or fight (I don't think) but Idiots can like art too. Just because you appreciate art does NOT instantly make you a well rounded, balanced and Intellectual human being.



You obviously seem to miss the beauty of mans struggle. The metaphor of sport mirroring life. The struggle to succeed in a task. Just because the struggle is against other people doesn't make it evil. It's cathartic. It represents mans struggle against an ever changing and shifting environment. your hatred seems to mask you.

I don't hate art. But I agree I sometimes struggle with people saying what an artist was trying to do with a painting when they haven't asked him....surely they are objectifying him. scrutinising.

I just find sport a more interesting form of art. I don't HATE anything. By admitting that, you have showed us your biggest human failing to HATE. This is what leads to war and violence. How does that make you less deficiently developed than me?

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.

Between N.A.G ignoring what I said, saying i'm emotionally or educationally deficient for liking football more than Thomas Kinkade ok.. thats not what you said quite... but what is "great" when it comes to art? Certainly I'd rather watch football than stare at the mona lisa all afternoon and people seem to be fairly universal on that one....

I think bovril and mynci are doing a fine job of arguing this side.

And what about theatre and music, NAG? Do I have to be into poetry to like art? 6 years choir, 3 concert band, about 3 playing harp solo, 4 playing acoustic guitar... I love listening to concerts big/small classical/punk whatever (as long as its not american pop )... oh yeah and 4 years in theatre and a lifelong love of searching out drama and musicals to watch...
but.....

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If you would rather watch football than go to an art gallery, go ahead. But I will continue to feel that there has been some educational or emotional deficiency in your development as a human being if you place more importance in a simple, meaningless game than something which expresses something as powerful as a great work of art.
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I generally can't stand art galleries. Most of them are rather annoying, for any mess of reasons. And there's a lot of human beauty in fleeting moments of sport- much of which you seem insistent upon hating, and I have asked you several questions about it which you point blank ignored, but even just to take the example everyone hates, football....
Because I find football more interesting than an art gallery I automatically can't apreciate art? Surely thats narrow minded? Too many generalizations? Throws away a huge portion of my life? For this I'm deficient somehow? Nevermind your rampant statements of how wonderful and life affirming MLK Jr is?

As a leaving thought, unless someone winds up adressing me/ my points again:

Written by:
Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,
but that we are powerful beyond measure.

It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.
We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant,
gorgeous, handsome, talented and fabulous?

Actually, who are you not to be?


-Marianne Wilson, Quoted by Nelson Mandela (1994)

And much as MLK didn't mean "Oh, except gays... don't want those" (A current religious right perversion of his stance) I'm pretty sure Mr Mandela didn't mean "Oh, except for sports... life is politics and visual arts you know"

Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

New Hampshire has a point....

My mother has got that excerpt (and the rest of it) on her wall

And I'm agreeing with Mynci more now, while I'll still harbour a dislike for people who cause riots after games, the players (who are supposed to be role models and act like a chav who gets paid �2,000,000 a week) who are supposed to be role models, and the sick amount of coverage that sports get on the news...

I do believe that some sports are good in every way, if you want to call Poi a sport, I have yet to see a bad thing resulting from it. Same goes for Hackey-Sack.

But then I think it's a bit narrow to open a discussion on sport. A bit like saying "Art is boring". Because then you'll get a deluge of people wanting you to specify, and insist that TV and Films are art as well. Nevermind Dadoism, Cubism, Post-Modernism and all the other little cliches.

Sport *in general* is too big to talk about precisely. Now, does someone feel like opening a "Football thread" I can rant in?

After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

you people stay out of my world cup thread! (7 days till the next match date.....)



Its perfectly ok to hate football if you're from britain..... just don't go deciding that football = sport
Or even that problems with football = all there is about football....

Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

New Hampshire has a point....

Sure, I do fall into that trap occasionally. All that ever gets told about is the players doing crack, the fans rioting and drinking. I'm aware that there are 11 yr olds who like having a kick about and I'm all for that.

(Gets them the hell away from the Playstations...)

After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Written by: Sethis

.(Gets them the hell away from the Playstations...)





I playing footbal on the ol' PS2. Especailly Pro Evolution Soccer. Loads of fun.

The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."