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NYC


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NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:Election day in the US.

7 days.

Like it or not.

Storm's a comin'. Get ready for a lawsuit filled election won by Mr. Bush. Hey, don't blame me, most of you all aren't voting against him.

That's my prediction, you heard it here first.


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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:so I had this conversation with a couple europeans last night over some wine - a tres cool italian fire spinner and his exceedinly astute (and very lovely) german girlfriend. At one point she said to me, "Kerry is going to win, right? Please tell me he is going to win."



About a hundred things flashed through my mind, but the net result was I just sat there quietly fidgeting in my disturbed state caused be my sudden realization that I had truely had no faith in either the majority of american voters or the fairness of the system.



I mean, I had thought this to myself and outloud before, probably even on these boards, but in that moment, perhaps for the first time, I conciously recognized that I truely beleive this, that it goes beyond rhetoric.



After a few moments that hung like a waterlogged canvas over the conversaton, I tried to reassure them and myself that Kerry will probably win, using some of the things people have said here and some of the stuff I have posted to this thread, but we could all tell i didn't have the power of genuine hope behind my words.



So to that end - thanks for posting the "visualize winning" link Xopher - it helped my attitude today quite a bit.



I want my country back.


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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)


enthusiast
Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA

Total posts: 456
Posted:We all do, vanize. And I'm glad it helped.

"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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Trillian
BRONZE Member since Feb 2004

Trillian

Llamas are larger than frogs.
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

Total posts: 319
Posted:He has to win. He just has to!

"I know a good deal more than a boiled carrot."
"Fire!" "Where?" "Nowhere, I was just illustrating the misuse of free speech."

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NYC


NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:hey... Ohio?

If he doesn't, its all YOUR fault. wink


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Astar


member
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.

Total posts: 1591
Posted:with the timeing of the osama tape (assumeing it's authentic)

I am guessing osama wants bush to win.


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Trillian
BRONZE Member since Feb 2004

Trillian

Llamas are larger than frogs.
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

Total posts: 319
Posted:hey, don't blame me- I can't vote!

"I know a good deal more than a boiled carrot."
"Fire!" "Where?" "Nowhere, I was just illustrating the misuse of free speech."

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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:Written by: Astar

with the timeing of the osama tape (assumeing it's authentic)

I am guessing osama wants bush to win.



I think that is pretty clear. Bush is playing right into his hands.

The other possibility is that Osama is on Bush's payroll, and if Kerry wins, he not only looses his payoff boy, but suddenly really will be a hunted man!

either way, Bush is pretty much an essential part of Osama's power at this point.


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Durbs
BRONZE Member since Sep 2001

Durbs

Classically British
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England

Total posts: 5688
Posted:I have to say - I've never cared so much about the outcome of an election...

Please, PLEASE let Kerry win.

*crosses everything"


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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast

Total posts: 5967
Posted:I'm still up for phoning people in Ohio and begging?!

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NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:Phone them up and beg them to vote for Bush. I'm sure they're so fed up with being begged that they'll vote for the opposite out of spite. Make sure to phone them around midnight. wink

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nearly_all_gone
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nearly_all_gone

Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton

Total posts: 1626
Posted:I obviously don't want Bush to win because of his record... but then is Kerry seriously going to offer a real alternative? The foreign policy of both seems pretty similar to my uninformed feeble brain...

I really hope things get better with Kerry as president... but I'm not convinced they will. He still wants to look "tough" in the face of terror. But still *crosses fingers, toes, eyes, knees and elbows* I imagine Kerry can probably spell his own name. And at the end of the day, to a large extent it's the administration, not just who fronts it. Democrats are clearly a bit better than Republicans, seems to me.


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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:now that it is getting close, here is an interesting site for the eletoral college vote distribution, which now seems to favor Kerry when last week it favored Bush:



http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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Keep in mind it usees the same flawed polls that everyone else is using, just with the twist that they are considering the outcome of the electoral college vote (the one that counts), not the popular vote.



interestingly, Ohio no longers appears to be a swing state (unfortunately)


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spritie
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spritie

Pooh-Bah
Location: Galveston, TX

Total posts: 2014
Posted:So I was watching "60 minutes" last night (a tv show in the states). At the end, Andy Rooney usually has some short anecdoctal comment about something. Last night, it was about the candidates. One of the comments he made was that voters like Bush at times because he isn't always super smart, which makes them feel good because they sometimes aren't themselves. Kerry is sometimes too intelligent for his own good. Andy meant it all in a jesting manner, so it was sorta commical.

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MiG
GOLD Member since Apr 2004

MiG

Self-Flagellation Expert
Location: Bogged at CG

Total posts: 3415
Posted:hehe. in america, the nation stops all day (sorta) to vote on november 2nd
In australia, the nation stops for baout 5 minutes while some horses run around on november second.

hang on. in america, the nation stops while people watch horses try to get into office ubblol


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"There was an arse there, i couldn't help myself"
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nearly_all_gone
SILVER Member since Aug 2004

nearly_all_gone

Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton

Total posts: 1626
Posted:Or some form of horse produce, at any rate... wink

What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:heh! get this - 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe Iraq had WMD, and 75% still think Saddam had Al Qaeda connections.



rolleyes


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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:John Kerry Storms to Victory in Virtual Vote

Mon Nov 1, 7:52 AM ET Technology - Reuters Internet Report

LONDON (Reuters) - The virtual vote is in -- Democratic challenger John Kerry (news - web sites) has won a landslide victory over President Bush (news - web sites) in a global sample of the world's opinion on the race for the White House.

More than 113,000 people from 119 countries made their choice at www.globalvote2004.org, handing Kerry a crushing win with 77 percent of the vote, a spokesman for the Web site said on Monday.

But there was consolation for Bush from what many would see as an unlikely source: the majority of virtual votes submitted from Iraq (news - web sites) went to the incumbent.

The results of the non-official vote were released a day before Americans go to the polls in the real election.

Opinion polls in the United States predict a dead heat between Bush and Kerry on Tuesday, but surfers who had their say at Globalvote leaned strongly toward the challenger.

Third party candidates, including independent Ralph Nader (news - web sites), took nearly 14 percent of the vote, while Bush garnered a mere nine percent.

"Iraq was one of the few countries where Bush actually won and the Middle East voted 37 percent for Bush compared to a world average of 9.1 percent," the Web site spokesman said.

"We're not trying to tell Americans how to vote, we're just giving them feedback from the rest of the world. The outcome of the real vote affects non-US citizens enormously in the post-9/11 age," he added.

Globalvote is a non-partisan, London-based site and not sponsored by any political party, its creators said.


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nearly_all_gone
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nearly_all_gone

Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton

Total posts: 1626
Posted:Doesn't surprise me... wish this was on the front page of the papers in the US tomorrow though..

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nearly_all_gone
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Pooh-Bah
Location: Southampton

Total posts: 1626
Posted:THE CAMPAIGN IN FIGURES
75%: percentage of those in an ABC poll who thought it was the most important election of their lives

$272,573,444: Amount raised by President George W Bush (correct as of 13 October)

$249,305,109: Amount raised by Democratic challenger Senator John Kerry (correct as of 13 October)

43,256: Number of times adverts were run from 21 to 27 October

$46,367,413: Total amount spent on adverts from 21 to 27 October

208-169: US newspaper endorsements for Mr Kerry and President Bush (correct as of 31 October)

28-14: loss by Washington Redskins football team - since 1936, a loss in their last home game before the election has been followed by victory for the challenger

(so that's good news anyway)


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NYC


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Location: NYC, NY, USA

Total posts: 9232
Posted:I don't think this is the most important election of my life. I think the last one was. We wouldn't be here if Bush hadn't lost by more. wink

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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:well, ohio is back in the "barely Kerry" collumn.



it is starting to look like if Kerry takes Florida, then he wins. If Kerry losses Florida, then it is going to be close, and if Bush manages to take Ohio, then states like Vermont and new mexico could even decide the outcome.



re: the young voters. a cell phone poll has finally been taken, and found that Kerry is indeed the clear favorite among cell phone crowd. That means if young voters get out in force for once, Bush would not only lose for sure, but lose big. the same poll says only about 3% of this group do not intend to vote, which would be amazing since typically only like 20-30% of this group does vote. I think a 97% turnout of 18-29 year old voters is unrealistic, but even half that would probably tip the scales. Who knows, it may be the big story of this election - america's youth finally exherting its power. If there is an upset in Kerry's favor, thank the young americans.


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_Clare_
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_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast

Total posts: 5967
Posted:Well, today's the day.

Good luck America, you have the future safety of the rest of the world in your hands. Take care of it.

Get out there and vote, even if you think your vote won't make a difference - bring your friends! Go to the pub after!

My fingers are crossed that Bush is unceremoniously removed, and I'll be sitting up all night to watch it. There will be tears if he gets back in.

Take care peoples - and for the rest of the world (even though I don't normally go for this type of thing) - think lots of positive president-changing thoughts!!

Love Clare xo


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babajaga
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babajaga

old hand
Location: Berlin, Germany

Total posts: 863
Posted:ditto

What is psychology?- Looking for a black cat in a dark room. What is psychoanalysis? Psychoanalysis is looking for a black cat in a dark room -- in which there is no cat -- but finding one anyway.

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Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Austin, Texas

Total posts: 3899
Posted:I don't know whether to stay up all night watching or try to sleep through it and just see what the morning brings...

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babajaga
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babajaga

old hand
Location: Berlin, Germany

Total posts: 863
Posted:i will stay up i guess

What is psychology?- Looking for a black cat in a dark room. What is psychoanalysis? Psychoanalysis is looking for a black cat in a dark room -- in which there is no cat -- but finding one anyway.

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Mags The Jedi
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Mags The Jedi

Fool
Location: Cornwall, UK

Total posts: 2020
Posted:*cringes and waits for a result that won't result in armageddon*

"I believe the cost of life is Death and we will all pay that in full. Everything else should be a gift. We paid the cover charge of life, we were born."

Bill Hicks, February 1988

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spritie
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spritie

Pooh-Bah
Location: Galveston, TX

Total posts: 2014
Posted:Well, I can say this to all thinking of staying up in Europe. The news station will not announce anything until they are absolutely certain about the outcome. They will not speculate this time because of the fiasco 4 years ago when what they said was flat out wrong.

So, since we know this is such a tight race, I'd suggest just going to sleep and seeing the news in the morning. Heck, when you wake up is probably when the news people will have a better idea anyway.


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_Clare_
BRONZE Member since Oct 2002

_Clare_

Still wiggling
Location: Belfast

Total posts: 5967
Posted:Not sure I will be able to sleep. I am really very concerned about what will happen if Bush gets back.

Hmmm. Maybe I'll bring my blankets and pillows to the living room and sleep in there tonight biggrin Anyone want to come to mine?! I have vodka ubblol


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spritie
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spritie

Pooh-Bah
Location: Galveston, TX

Total posts: 2014
Posted:Well, the polls won't officially close in all places until 7pm. So, nothing can be official until the polls close in either Alaska or Hawaii (not sure which is farther west time zone wise). I know most of Europe is 7 hours ahead of my time zone, and there are still 2 more continental US time zones to the west of me (not including Alaska and Hawaii). I'm guessing the polls in California will be closing right about sunrise for you, so I'd certainly try to get some sleep.

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babajaga
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babajaga

old hand
Location: Berlin, Germany

Total posts: 863
Posted:Vodka hmmmm.... not a bad idea I wont able to sleep either. beerchug

What is psychology?- Looking for a black cat in a dark room. What is psychoanalysis? Psychoanalysis is looking for a black cat in a dark room -- in which there is no cat -- but finding one anyway.

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