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Cloud Spark


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Posted:Hi. I'm actually a very well-known member of the board. Look at my login name and you can probably figure out who I am if you free-associate for a second. I'm going to rant about someone I know in person and it's possible that she might read this (even though she doesn't usually visit the board), so I'm using this alter-ego in hopes of staying out of trouble.

So I was doing some fireplay for a party. The space that I had was too small for poi, but large enough for fire eating and tracing. I had just finished my act when she showed up, drunk off her a$$, and DEMANDING that I let her spin fire with my poi, which I wouldn't let anyone do in that space even if they sober. And she got really pissy about it when I flat-out refused. I told her she could use my beamers or my LED glow sticks and after pissing at me and telling me to stop being such a safety nazi, she finally tried out my LED glowstick poi.

And she SUCKED!!! I mean, she could do the forward two-beat weave and the windmill and that's it. And she hit herself three times in the first 15 seconds. I let her use my beamers on the condition that she first touch one to her forehead to understand how dangerous they were and she hit herself with those, too. (My view is that I don't care if you hurt yourself as long as you don't hurt anyone else, which is why fire was out of the question).

Sorry, I just wanted to vent. I hate incompetent drunk people who think they can get off demanding to spin fire with my poi. mad mad mad mad

Oh, and if you figure out who I am, PLEASE don't post my real name as that would defeat the purpose of this alter-ego. rolleyes


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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

UCOF

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Location: , United Kingdom

Total posts: 15414
Posted:Great quote from yesterday I heard in Edinburgh:

"Im not drunk! Im always this annoying..."

ubblol

I know what you mean though Person of unspecified details


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ben-ja-men
GOLD Member since Jun 2003

ben-ja-men

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Posted:aww that sux i hate it when ppl cant respect the fact that its your gear so its your call (cant say ive ever personally had that problem only stories but the concepts of ppl being like that bugs me ubbangel)

what i dont get though is if its big enough for beamers how come its not big enough for fire poi?


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FireSpirit
SILVER Member since Mar 2001

FireSpirit

Classic 90's Fire Dancer... Poi, Staff, Doubles, and Breathing
Location: South Lake Tahoe, USA

Total posts: 743
Posted:Good Call my fire friend! Safty 1st!! I once let a drunken fool play with an unlit poi. Next thing I knew it was douced and on fire in a Dead Pine Tree!! eek eek!!
That was in the first months of fire dancing, and I didn't know any better. Thank god the tree didn't go up! It was in the front yard of my house, within a ton of other trees!!

Drunken fire spinning... I can't say I have Never done it, but I can say I will never let another drunkerd play with my Fire Gear!

Beee Safe! wink


FIRE IS ALIVE!
IT LIVES AND BREATHS!
IT CONSUMES, AND DISTROYS!
BUT WE CONTROL IT,
AND DANCE WITH FIRE!!

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oli
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Location: bristol/ southern eastern devo...

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Posted:i dont really have anything to add about drunk people, except i agree not to let them near fire...

and they are annoying, but what can you do?

i had fun working out who you are though, took me a couple of minutes, think i got it now though tongue

one question though, what stops the drunk person from the storey, reading that post and working out who you are?

i dont really see the point in the alter ego...
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Punkassemob***h


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Posted:You fibber Oli, you let Lechy Dave spin when he's drunk all the time!
If they want to spin drunk, fine, but they must adhere to the following diagram:
wave You


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They're the one bleeding on the ground.

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Cloud Spark


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Posted:I don't think she'll even read this, and if she does, she won't figure out who I am. Besides, even if she does, she deserves this thread.

The reason beamers are OK and fire isn't is because the worst that can happen with a beamer is that it gets tangled in a tree or she cracks her fool skull with it. I warned her, she accepted the risk, it's not my responsibility.

Burning down the neighborhood is a different issue entirely.

I have no problem with new spinners who aren't as good at poi as I am. I mean, I've been doing it for three years. And I'm hardly a terrific spinner. I do have a problem with drunk people spinning fire in a place where there are trees close overhead. Being intoxicated reduces your ability to handle an emergency, should one come up. If the emergency is that you broke your shin, that's bad, but it's ultimately your problem. If the emergency is that a tree is on fire, it becomes a much bigger problem.


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FireSpirit
SILVER Member since Mar 2001

FireSpirit

Classic 90's Fire Dancer... Poi, Staff, Doubles, and Breathing
Location: South Lake Tahoe, USA

Total posts: 743
Posted:No Sh!^, I agree Fully!! This happened over 6 years ago, and I still live by only handing out practice poi to anyone who wants to show me what they can do... After that I will deturman if they will light up or not.
Pluss its a bit funni when a Ego driven Fool walks up and wants to play with the Beemers ubblol

~FS


FIRE IS ALIVE!
IT LIVES AND BREATHS!
IT CONSUMES, AND DISTROYS!
BUT WE CONTROL IT,
AND DANCE WITH FIRE!!

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Dunc
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Dunc

playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands, United Kingd...

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Posted:Yeah give them the beamers I say....that'll learn em!! And if they still want fire take matter into your own hands

"Just take the beamer dammit!!"
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Let's relight this forum ubblove

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[Nx?]
BRONZE Member since Nov 2001

[Nx?]

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Location: Europe,Scotland,Both

Total posts: 3749
Posted:i spin very very drunk, on my own, really slowly, after everyone else is in bed....

but yeah, anywhere else, cencored that!

alcahol is very very bad for the old hand eye....

T wave


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Big Andy
BRONZE Member since Apr 2003

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Location: Dallas, Tx, USA

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Posted:That's just silly. Why are people like that?! Other than getting loud and boisterous, I'm pretty friendly and concious of my abilities when I am drunk. No hidden ego/aggression or anything like that comes out when I'm drunk.



Hell, this past weekend I was offered to spin fire with some folks at a party (thanks BTW to Dark Poet for offering). I was sober at the time of the offering, but knowing I was about to go buy a drink from the bar, I politely declined, and just accepted being an onlooker for the evening. This didn't stop me from twirling the beamers, so i don't know that I can really claim to be any smarter than this girl, but hey, I didn't want fire, so that counts for something right? spank ubblol



Oh yeah, and I think i figured out the name. Pretty clever, lol.

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Doc Lightning
GOLD Member since May 2001

Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

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Posted:Andy, I think the point the original poster is making is that you yourself declined to spin fire. That counts for a lot.

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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carbon_black


carbon_black

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Posted:i had an incident like a week ago with a mate wanting to use my fire gear when he was drunk. i have a burnt bike now and he got a good slapping. i found that i do my show kinda early in the night and hide the stuff. that way people ask for it and i say its put away and they get over it. or they are to drunk to remember i even done a show and don't bother asking.



Friday night is FIRE night...

Life ain't life without atleast cheating death atleast once a day.

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thor


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Location: Portland, Oregon

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Posted:some people should be ENCOURAGED to spin fire when drunk. especially if they think they can do double neckwrap butterflys.

then the world would be a much safer place.. ;]



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Dentrassi
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Posted:cloud spark??! ubblol hug



Quote:
some people should be ENCOURAGED to spin fire when drunk. especially if they think they can do double neckwrap butterflys.



then the world would be a much safer place.. ;]









oi you! what are you trying to say??!! spank



*grumble grumble*



wink ubblol

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carbon_black


carbon_black

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Posted:drunk spinners should probally spin and then get hurt and then smell the sweet smell of say burning hair/flesh. then they may stop asking to use my fire gear while drunk. spank

Friday night is FIRE night...

Life ain't life without atleast cheating death atleast once a day.

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Kapura Mataaro


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Location: Tasmania, Australia

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Posted:i'd have to agree with lightning, it is definately a good thing that u turned it down...spinning whilst addled on anything (though not including caffine or gurana) isn't exactly the smartest way to conduct yourself when using flaming objects.... eek ubbloco

"surely a longboarding fire spinner should have no trouble getting some action!"- NYC....

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Cloud Spark


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Posted:I want to say this so people understand what I'm on about.

I don't care if a lone drunk spinner burns him/herself while, say, standing on a beach or out in the middle of the playa at Burning Man where there is no possibility of ever setting anything else on fire, but I do care when it's in a wooded suburban neighborhood that would go up like a torch.

I'm with Thor. If stupid people want to hurt themselves, maybe that's a good thing. A good, serious injury is often a cure to stupidity. Stupidity, when protected, breeds.

But, as Ben Franklin I believe once said, "My right to swing my fist stops at your nose." The instant an idiot is putting an entire small town at risk by spinning fire (poorly) drunk under low-hanging branches, you no longer have the right to I< it up and learn your lesson.


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carbon_black


carbon_black

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Posted:its dangerous enough us doing it let alone a drunk person with or without experience doing it.

theres still an element of danger involve no matter whos doing it. but where and how and under what state of mind they are doing it under is their responcebility.


Friday night is FIRE night...

Life ain't life without atleast cheating death atleast once a day.

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Doc Lightning
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

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Posted:Quote:
theres still an element of danger involve no matter whos doing it. but where and how and under what state of mind they are doing it under is their responcebility.



Not if it's his house that gets burned down.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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carbon_black


carbon_black

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Posted:its kind of their responcebility to do it away from houses then aye.

Friday night is FIRE night...

Life ain't life without atleast cheating death atleast once a day.

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Valura
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Valura

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Location: Brisbane, Australia

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Posted:Quote:
its kind of their responcebility to do it away from houses then aye.



what?
try explaning responsability to a drunk spinner. you will be sorley disapointed.


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ASTRO FAERIE
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

ASTRO FAERIE

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Location: Rotherham, UK

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Posted:Drinking or getting stoned while spinning fire is a problem which never seems to go away, there are always idiots that decide that they are ok to do it. They presume that because they are normally good spinners that its ok to spin fire absolutely rattarsed.

The main part of it that annoys me is the lack of respect, firstly for themselves, and secondly for the people around them.

If they want to spin fire drunk etc. and are addamant about it, then they should go and find a quiet area away from anyone else, and whatever damage they do, happens only to them.

It may sound harsh, i dont like the thought of people i know getting pissed and using them, but some people cannot be reasoned with when they are so off their face.

It upsets me how people get so nasty when you confont them about it, after all, you are stopping them for their safety as well as the safety of others, and in a way should be grateful for your warnings. weavesmiley


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and the last river has been poisoned
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DeepSoulSheep
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DeepSoulSheep

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Posted:Quote:
Drinking or getting stoned while spinning fire is a problem which never seems to go away



The first part, I agree with, the stoned part I definitely do not, but I'll avoid tangents me thinks.

In this particular situation it sounds like the girl was after a bit of attention from other people there. Ego's never a good reason to do anything and especially not to be spinning smashed in a dangerous situation. rolleyes


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squarefish
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Location: the state of flux, Ireland

Total posts: 403
Posted:Of course if somebody absolutely insists on using your equipment and your really scared for their safety/life, say "ok",
then offer to fuel the wicks for them and accidently dip them in WATER instead of fuel ubbidea

WHOOPS!! wink sorry!!! no fire for you!!!

I'd prefer to have to dry out a set of wicks than possibly bring a friend to the hospital after they torch themselves...


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spritie
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spritie

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Location: Galveston, TX, USA

Total posts: 2014
Posted:Have you ever tried to actually dunk your wicks in water?

They float eek eek eek

Vanize & I tried once (we both could have swore it was fuel) and kept trying to get them to sink, but they refused to. We had no problem dunking them properly in fuel and burning them immediately after that though.


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Posted:i constantly spin when im drunkand i see nothing wrong with it

WARNING: Never ever use fire when drunk - edit by Malcolm

Saying otherwise is against the site rules



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(p.s why are beamers so dangerous)

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we cant stop here its bat country!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dentrassi
GOLD Member since Apr 2003

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Posted:its quite simple peaches.

drunk people can often injure themselves without even trying, even when doing normal things like walking down stairs, walking to the bar, and driving. let alone poi and fire.

the point is the much higher risk of injuring yourself and others, because you are drunk. nothing may have happened...yet.
even seasoned performers screw-up without alcohol - if you screw up with alchohol, you will lose that split second time you have to react before a serious incident occurs.

at the end of the day its up to personal opinion. you have the right to do as you wish, but there are way too many friends on this board who have had or seen bad experiences when fire and alcohol combine.
if you spin when drunk and no-ones around. its only yourself who will scar. but the most dangerous thing about performing is those around you, and what may happen to them.

be safe, and take care all hug


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arsn


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Posted:Quote:
Originally posted by Peaches
i constantly spin when im drunkand i see nothing wrong with it
sure if someone who knows absolutely nothing about saftey with pois or staffs then yeah that is a cause for some concern



The very fact that you spin while drunk shows that you don't know about safety... it doesn't matter if your with friends... your drunk!... and 15... (But that's another point) when your drunk your mind isn't working the best that it could...


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peaches**86943

thats sooooo not where i parked my car...................
Location: mareeba

Total posts: 198
Posted:true true
i promise to take care
you can get craig to bash me up if i dont behave myself when i get back up to cairns
you didnt tell me why beamers are dangerous
i was gonna get a pair


we cant stop here its bat country!!!!!!!!!!!

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Doc Lightning
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Doc Lightning

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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA

Total posts: 13920
Posted:Peaches, it's not about you.

I could give a flying fig if you wind up in the ICU with burns over 90% of your body surface area. That's your own stupidity. But with fire, you risk hurting everyone else. And if you are anything other than stone-cold sober, if you ever screw up and set something on fire, it's on all of our heads. There will be legal bans on fire spinning, huge media attention, and it will be because some stupid drunk teenager insisted on spinning fire.

I honestly feel strongly enough about this that I think there should be a Board rule about not advocating spinning fire while altered. mad


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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