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Ithaca


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  Posted: ok, this is beggining to piss me off.I personally dont think fountain is:weave/corkscrew/revweave,more:weave/corsckrew/weave/revcorkscrew/weave (as described on the fountain thread)However I don't really care which one it really is, so I say why dont we vote for what we each think the fountain is, and the one that gets the most votes we define as the fountain. Then decide a name for the other and then all this bollard can cease.So which do you thing fountain is:1.weave/corkscrew/revweave2.weave/corsckrew/weave/revcorkscrew/weaveIncidentally if the fountain is the former then it is quite simple to do the whole motion in five beats instead of three in both directions, you could actually spin a few 360's in one direction and then in the other. Also why not stick a windwill or a low wave in in both directions?Anyway, vote now!

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phunky


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  Posted:my vote...none of the above
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NYC


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  Posted:I'm with Phunky. It's always been that. This is becoming comical. I think you mean windmill, not corkscrew. Corkscrews are horizontal, windmills and weaves are vertical.

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HappySticker


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  Posted:check out this link, from what i understand this guy is sort of doing the fountain about 3/4 of the way through the video... just wondering if that was ithttp://www.and-the-world-is-next.de/poi/home%20e.htm go to the video section and it is in the top right corner....

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Malcolm
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  Posted:I am with Phunky too.
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Durbs
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  Posted:Yep, same here.Weave -> Windmill -> Rev. Weave -> Windmill -> Weave.Errrrr, so it's just Ithaca that thinks different methinks
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phunky


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  Posted:lets not be mean now.If were going to vote on anything though, i think we should stop calling a weave >> windmill >> rev weave combination a fountain. Just totally ban the word altogether. I think i'd be happier taking a little longer to type out the combo than repeatedly explaining what a fountain is.------------------[]Dhuong-Vu Truong==== []Dhunky ====

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Malcolm
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  Posted:Again, I aggree
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Naming combination moves is confusing.Also naming transitions that go between moves.
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NYC


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  Posted:Unfortunately, I don't think were going to make the interest in "fountains" go away. After a quick search I found that there were 57 active threads with the word fountain in it with 14 of them with it in the title. Clearly this is a topic of sparkly Poi proportions and can't simply be swept under the rug.Let's just resolve that a fountain is weave>windmill>revweave according to HoP. If you want to call it something different, that's fine. Just like if you want to call me Chuck that's fine too, it's just not my name.I don't think that any other combo has surfaced as an issue. I'm comfortable having the fountain as the only nameable combo as it is useful for newbies until they realize the futility of naming combos.
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Frenzie
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  Posted:I heard it called a fountain from an english backpacker who doesnt know this site ... he showed us the weave >> windmill >>rev weaveso im with phunky too, how many votes does that make it?5?------------------ - Industrial design knows of no article more useful than the milk crate -http://wickeffect.cjb.net

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Ithaca


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  Posted:OK, so i wrote corkscrew instead of windmill, never mind.OK, so generally people seem to thing that fountain is just weave/windmill/revweave. OK, so that isn't even my definition of a move ffs, its just two different moves spliced together. Jesus, most people are doing that before they are walking, this is fing ridiculous. Its not as though a five beat fountain would be difficult...Which brings us to the matter of naming the move that I thought was fountain, and is incidentally about fifteen times harder than the now official fountain, any ideas?[This message has been edited by Ithaca (edited 15 November 2001).]

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phunky


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  Posted:Ya, thats what i thought when i learned what a fountain was too... "I've been f**king doing this forever!"what you named is not a move so it doesnt need really need naming. The fountain is a special case because its so ingrained in everyones head already.------------------[]Dhuong-Vu Truong==== []Dhunky ====

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Pele
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  Posted:Hey,hey, hey!!!!!The one with the corkscrew has already been named cause when I brought it up i nanother thread I was told we can call it a Sprinkler!!!!! And I really like that! ::stomping foot and crossing arms over chest::
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And to add a bit of dimension, turn your body 360 when you hit the corkscrew part.So, it would be weave=>corkscrew w/360 body turn => rev weave => reverse your 360 body turn w/ corkscrew => weaveAlso nice is to do a forward Sprinkler with a reverse Fountain...ie: if you start on the left...go left to right in Sprinkler but then go right to left in Fountain. You can also add a body turn to your windmill to give the move a bit of symmetry.Oh.. and yeah... weave => windmill => rev weave and back again is a fountain in my book!Does that make 6 or 7 votes?------------------Pele Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir...http://www.pyromorph.com


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Shouden-CrD
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  Posted:I vote fountain is weave=>windmill=>rev weaveIs this a fountain???:weave=>rev weave=>windmill=>weave???CRD

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phunky


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  Posted:err...weave >> (rev weave >> windmill >> weave)yes that is a fountain minus the move before.------------------[]Dhuong-Vu Truong==== []Dhunky ====

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DJ Dantana
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  Posted:I think we should just bannish the word "fountain", after all, there's no water, and I'm so thirsty....

fountain...hence forth, thou art banished


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BlackFireJack


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  Posted:quote:Originally posted by phunky:
fountain:

weave/windmill/rev weave
rev weave/windmill weave Yupp.....agree with that....But dont think the order is to important...

And dont forget the butterfly fountains witch technically is the same thing....Instead of weaves you have Butterflys....


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coleman
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  Posted:throws a tiny, almost unnoticable spanner into the gigantic works that are this discussion...

methinks hell may well freeze over before we get complete agreement on this one.

i go with the clubswinging definition of a fountain meself but consider there to be a whole bunch of them now with Poi (regular fountain, reverse fountain, buzzsaw fountain, butterfly fountain and so on).

incidentally nyc - isn't a waistwrap another named combo...? bit more complex than the fountain too
to add further to the debate, the gandini's call waistwraps low fountains

and here (if you're not bored enough already ) is a selection of my previous rantings on the subject:

fountain video (ignore the numbers though )
fountains and waistwraps
is the fountain a move 'family'?


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NYC


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  Posted:Forget fountains! The real question is "Why the hell would Dantana bump this thread from a YEAR AND A HALF AGO?!"

Geez...

And coleman, when I learn how to do a waist wrap I'll let you know.


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coleman
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  Posted:nyc - when are you coming to london...? a good ol' waistwrap workshop with bam and hels may well be in order soon...
want us to wait for ya?

as for bumping this thread, fountains have been discussed since (by many including myself) and currently there are open discussions on both butterfly fountains and isolated fountains.
i think dan wanted to point out the futility of trying to pin down the 100 or so definitions of what we consider a fountain to be these days by bumping a thread with similar arguments to those going on right now that was written ages ago.

and it just goes to show cos i blatently don't agree with the definitions above (i would call that a 'cross-follow to reverse cross-follow with windmill').

best not to keep on about it though


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DJ Dantana
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  Posted:I honestly don't know how I ran into this thread

maybe I was feeling spunky?!?!?


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PK_
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PK.

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In giving love there is an equal grace.
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As love unveils the beauty of all things."

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LPH


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  Posted:hmm...fountain ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fountn)
n.

An artificially created jet or stream of water.
A structure, often decorative, from which a jet or stream of water issues.
A spring, especially the source of a stream.
A reservoir or chamber containing a supply of liquid that can be siphoned off as needed.
A soda fountain.
A drinking fountain.
A point of origin or dissemination; a source: the library, a fountain of information.

intr. & tr.v. fountained, fountaining, fountains
To flow or cause to flow like a fountain .
ok...so i was just bored and wanted to say something about fountains without really saying anything ....so here ya go


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bluecat


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  Posted:just to be awkward


never thought of a fountai as a move, but as a family of moves, where the Poi make lots of smaller circles within one big circle.

bad exp.?

thought so

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DJ Dantana
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  Posted:no, actually I think that is a great explanation, the only one that truely makes sence. I recently figured out what a fountain was (from watching ghost in the woods (PK)) and that is what I saw. A bunch of small circles in a larger circle.

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Stone
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  Posted:Ok, cant resist. The fountain is an old skool club swinger move, so the combinations are well documented. Check the first post in the club swinger thread for a link to an old skool description.

Its not a difficult move to learn, and most people tend to discover it without knowing what its called. So, while its true to say that the fountain is a big circle, made up of little circles, its really the sequence of body movements (fwd to rev cross and follows; low, high and btb) that make it functional. I see it as a huge frame, that you can hang a lot of other moves off, and hey, it looks pretty too


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coleman
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  Posted:awkaward? bluecat - you ignoring my posts completely nowdays or what...?

thought so


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[ 13. May 2003, 21:32: Message edited by: coleman ]


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  Posted:quote:Originally posted by coleman:
throws a tiny, almost unnoticable spanner into the gigantic works that are this discussion...
Ouch!


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phyrepsy
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phyrepsy

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  Posted:weave/corsckrew/weave/revcorkscrew/weave
no!!
corkscrews???dont you have to be in a horizontal plane??or floor??
i think a fountain is strictly a wall plane!!

i think this is more like it in my eyes?? am i wrong??
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weave // split time chase the sun // weave // chase the moon. ------fountain??


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Mr_Joe
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  Posted:Quite an impressive bump right there.

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spinningstarlet
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  Posted:ok, so been lurking on this thread for some time now. I'm happy that a fountain is weave-windmill-rev weave and thats cool. But the question i have is what then is weave-revweave-windmill-weave. just some weird variation....?

hmmm..


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