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how much wider could you bring your hands apart & makr it more of a "Toss" between so that the handle end has a visual effect too? would work good with those wooden ball handles. ------------------------------ I may be awkward or an Acquired taste. if you don't like coffee now, that doesn't mean you won't some day. treat me the same way. :0 . -stay true to you. Jakob Edan Konor...