willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

Hunting robot foxes
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Member Since: 8th Aug 2007
Total posts: 1046
Posted:Dammit. I just had to turn down a contract to do club passing in a TV advertisement because of the ethical standards of the company who would have been employing me frown

I suppose this is half ineffectual rant at how annoying it is - this would have looked really good on my performance history, and half question:

How much would you have to disagree with the actions of a company before you refused to perform for them?


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PyroWill
PyroWill

HoP's Barman. Trapped aged 6 months
Location: Staines
Member Since: 4th Aug 2004
Total posts: 4437
Posted:I think holding morals are the most important thing, can you say which company? I dont think it's considered slander if its a web discussion wink. Don't feel too bad, if you feel strongly about that company then using your skills to help advertise it would have done so much worse.



Like I said morals are the most important thing, unless they are offering you a grand, then screw the morals wink


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GeoffonTour04
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Location: Oxford
Member Since: 30th Nov 2005
Total posts: 360
Posted:I do agree that morals are very important, but they'll just employ someone else for the ad so in the big picture it won't have really affected them, only you.

So unless you were concerned about being seen on said advert I'd have done it.


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jo_rhymes
jo_rhymes

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Location: Telford, Shrops
Member Since: 10th Apr 2005
Total posts: 4525
Posted:willworkforfoodjnr, good on you for having morals! We need more people like you in the world!! hug

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Fire_Moose
Fire_Moose

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Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Member Since: 2nd May 2007
Total posts: 3597
Posted: Written by :willworkforfoodjnr


How much would you have to disagree with the actions of a company before you refused to perform for them?



The company would prolly have to be undergoing some sort of genocide.


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Mucky
Mucky

Rum-Swilling Combustioneer
Location: Macungie, PA, USA
Member Since: 7th Apr 2008
Total posts: 227
Posted:Way to go.. If you perform for a company whose ethics you disagree with, you're supporting them, directly or indirectly. Even if they do find somebody else to do it, should that company suddenly find themselves in the limelight for some reason, at least you won't ever have had any association with them.

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:If you let your morals go for money or something good on your resume, then...

...what does that make you?

I'm proud of you. Nobody said that sticking to your guns was always easy.


-Mike )'(
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Rouge Dragon
Rouge Dragon

Insert Champagne Here
Location: without class distinction
Member Since: 21st Jul 2003
Total posts: 13215
Posted:How much would I disagree before I didn't perform?

For me it would be how hungry I am and how late my rent is.


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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ElectricBlue
ElectricBlue

Now with extra strawberries
Location: Canberra
Member Since: 11th Feb 2002
Total posts: 810
Posted:This is a really good read.
I'm struggling with a similar problem at the moment.

I have a booking for some events as part of the tourch relay in australia.
we are actually booked by our local government not the olympic people but it is still tricky.

Also we are being booked through a friends event management company which has just started up and is a really great small bussnius so this would be a great break for them.

Arg hard!!!


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willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

Hunting robot foxes
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Member Since: 8th Aug 2007
Total posts: 1046
Posted:Its been a really tricky one, but after a fair bit of conversation my gf has convinced me to do it. The thinking goes like this:
- If I don't do it someone else will, so my stubbornness affects nobody but me.
- My integrity remains if I don't take the payment for myself.
- The fee could be used to actually do something good

So, I'll take the audition and donate my fee (assuming I get it haha!) to a charity working somewhere affected by the company, not decided which yet.

Its a company owned by Cadburys, I'll let on more when I know whats happening biggrin


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bluecat
bluecat

geek, level 1
Location: everywhere
Member Since: 15th Dec 2002
Total posts: 5300
Posted:hug

i've been doing the same thing for the past few years, and in the long run you will find that you don't need to do every gig, and you will feel much the better for it, i can assure you smile

my list of companies not worked for is very satisfying now tongue


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onewheeldave
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Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted: Written by :


I do agree that morals are very important, but they'll just employ someone else for the ad so in the big picture it won't have really affected them, only you.





A bit of a black-and-white way of looking at it.

Landmine manufactureres could use the same reasoning to justify their business, but, the fact remains, that most spinners would not work in a landmine factory, or appear in publicity that promoted them.

At the end of the day, if a person has serious moral objections to a companies actions, then they'll not personally contribute to promoting that company, even knowing full well that someone else will.


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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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FireTom
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Member Since: 20th Sep 2003
Total posts: 6650
Posted:Well, just to add my 2ct: how would you have felt about yourself, accepting a gig from a company that you cannot support?

I think you did the right thing, cause ultimately you're only responsible for your own actions. Standing up for your own morals strengthens your backbone.

BIG MEGA - hug for being yourself smile


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willworkforfoodjnr
willworkforfoodjnr

Hunting robot foxes
Location: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
Member Since: 8th Aug 2007
Total posts: 1046
Posted:Thanks guys, I'm still swaying a little each way, I'm definately going to the audition anyway and finding out more about it - if they're offering loads of cash then I will be sorely tempted to take it and give the money to a good cause.

But then, Bill Hicks springs to mind: "If anyone here is in advertising, kill yourself" haha!


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The Tea Fairy
The Tea Fairy

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Location: Behind you...
Member Since: 2nd Jul 2004
Total posts: 853
Posted:Remember, there will always be other opportunities in life!

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Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind....

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onewheeldave
Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: sheffield
Member Since: 28th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3252
Posted: Written by :


Thanks guys, I'm still swaying a little each way, I'm definately going to the audition anyway and finding out more about it - if they're offering loads of cash then I will be sorely tempted to take it and give the money to a good cause.

But then, Bill Hicks springs to mind: "If anyone here is in advertising, kill yourself" haha!




You seem to be putting some serious thought into this decision and, taking on board the thoughts offered on this thread.

Any chance of you clarifying what exactly the problem with the ethical standards of the company are?

I ask because I think it would have a very direct bearing on any discussion of the rights and wrongs of doing promo for them- you'd probably get more relevant advice/suggestions.


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But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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"Last of The Lancers"
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