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Posted: hello people, i picked up poi 2 days ago and im wondering what new moves to try, i can do the 2 and 3 beat weave forwards and backwards, i can do the butterfly and windmill. ive tryed behind the back weave but its abit hard but im sure ill get it soon, any sujestions?
Posted: wow two days and you can do all that! it took me at least a week to learn the 3 bt weave - so well done! a good way to start is variations of what you already know - so you can start turning and flowing - like butterfly split time, over the head (halo), behind the head (angel wings) or alternate butterfly. Weave - um keep adding beats, weave turns, definately learn backwards weave - it will totally amaze people! Windmill, learn giant windmill, and also the fountain as you can add a windmill in that or go from windmill to fountain.
hope that helps - and look at otehr threads around as there are ideas floating around somewheres!
Posted: well i can do behind the back weave now but its still rusty, got 5 beat down but i still run around doing 3 beat cos its nicer i think, can do the corkscrew now and link to and from it to the weave
Posted: i dunno, the first 2 days i learned the most did about 5-6 hours those days, then the odd 20 min seasions here and there, i cant put them down lol
music is always playing in my head lol as im a lil crazy!
seems i was born with some poi knowledge as i could do 2bt weave straight away haha 3 bt soon followed.
at the mo ive been doing this weave type move that i cant find a name for the last 2 days and its driving me nuts! lol, gonna have to get a vid and someone can tell me what im doing. also got some weave turns going really well now
tails on my poi are bugging me now and i cant do wraps with them either so im gonna get some sock poi that light up then try those type of moves.
will look into stalls too, fire poi again 2moro (wed) see if i can impress people with everythink ive learnt since last wed woohoo. ok gonna go have another go now lol damn poi...
Posted: I would suggest spending time on the moves you can do now, perfecting them and learning all variations. Make sure you can do them in all directions, leading with different hands. Bizarrely one of the hardest things I have found is doing butterfly with the "wrong" hand on top - absolutely necessary for TTN, and it's far better to learn that early on before your "usual" butterfly becomes too ingrained. Learn inwards and outwards butterfly. Try doing them in different positions, walking around doing them. Can you move the cross point of your weave to silly places - above your head, on the floor- , can you turn around with your weave without doing a weave turn, as well as being able to do weave turns. I spent a while yesterday working on doing my 3bt behind my back without doing BTB (i.e. pulling it over my head so I was doing it behind me bent over backwards, or turning my upper body around until the cross point was right behind my bum! great for flexibility). I would recommend Nick's "Scales of poi" video as an introduction (and more) to freeing up those moves and turning them into something more fluid. You are obviously doing a great job of learning fast, but be really careful about keeping things fluid and beautiful, otherwise you may end up getting stuck in a rut where you need to make your "tricks" more and more complex, but your performance isn't improving.
Posted: meh i hate doing butterfly, pretty much sucks as a move, wanna learn ttn as it seems kool. i can do all sorts with my weave now, yeah i can switch it from front to back without a turn i think my moves are pretty smooth and i do practise the ones i know, i want to be able to use fire poi with all my moves so i make sure im good enough first which tends to lead to much smoother moves waiting for scales of poi to arive, ive already ordered it along with some sock poi as i hate the poi i have (fat mouse) then i can start doing wraps and hyperloops and stuff
meh i hate doing butterfly, pretty much sucks as a move, wanna learn ttn as it seems kool.
Are you kidding? Butterfly rocks. Why? Because: Butterfly --> giant butterfly --> lock outs, which look cool and are great for transitions. Butterfly --> btb butterfly --> giant angel wings. Butterfly --> take out --> mexican wave and a variety of other take out sequences including... Butterfly --> take out --> one each way --> 360 butterfly. One each way --> giant one each way --> v. funky flowers. Butterfly --> split time butterfly + weave = butterweave Butterfly --> halo/overhead butterfly --> satellite There are probably a lot more that have slipped my mind.
This is what I mean about exploring and perfecting a move. Don't just learn a move, get to know it intimately, where can you lock out or take out, where can you carry over to something else. What can you do with it to make it more interesting (and interesting does not have to mean complex).
Personally I could really take or leave TTN. I don't think it's very good value for effort, and if I hadn't already been learning butterfly in all its variations I probably wouldn't have bothered. From the front, it looks no different to butterfly (with crazy hands) unless you are using say, flags of different colours, and from the side it looks a bit.... odd. It's fairly handy for the odd transition and for feeling smug and self-satisfied, but I just don't think it's that pretty.
Posted: Hmm I think you pick up the basics of basic moves quickly. I've been doing poi for about 5 days, and I can do the 2 beat weave, what is either the 3 or four beat weave (not sure which! extra turn on each side?) forwards butterfly, giant butterfly, mexican wave and turns to make poi forward-back, back-forward, and forward-one in each direction. I can almost do alternating butterfly as well, but have a hard time bringing the left poi back into the butterfly sequence.
I can't, however, do anything backwards, and my transitions are not as flexible as they should be. I also need to learn something I can do backwards, but I keep smacking myself round the head so I can't keep at it for too long...
Maybe I'll try some more butterfly variants, or learn the corkscrew, which for some reason completely eludes me...
Posted: Although the question isn't aimed specifically at me, I'll answer for me anyway - I want to learn anything, and everything , that I can. I need to slow down a bit for a time, and ganer together all the transitions that I need to go from anything I know to anything else - the corkscrew (which I could not do, came to me this morning in a flash of inspiration after I dreamt about what it would feel like to do - weird I know) seems to be very difficult to get into rapidly so any advice there would be great.
I can't do anything in the way of airwraps with the poi I have at the moment, but I'll be getting some better ones as soon as the postal service gets into action.
What are flowers? I can't find any reference in videos or online lessons anywhere, and its *really* difficult to learn from text.
I suspect what I should do now is rather than trying to learn new moves left, right and centre, I should focus on what I know and the variations thereof, so I can do them in both directions and in different positions with my eyes shut. Staff taught me the need to have flexibility with what you do so that'd be my advice.
Thats a pretty strange post, advising from a newcomer while asking for advice. Juxtapositions these days... EDITED_BY: TotalEclipse (1156685476)
Posted: Eclipse, you're on the right track, and your staff experience will translate well to poi. You're right about the slowing down idea, most spinners ( imo ) tend to spin to fast, which looks impressive from a performance point of view but seriously complicated the learning process. Spinning slowly just gives you that much more time to think about what you're doing.
Likewise learning things in the other direction, or the hard way, pays off in the long run which I'm sure you've found out with your staff spinning. You know, when you find yourself in "unfamiliar territory" mid spin, and rather than bailing out of a move you're able to roll with it simply because you practiced.
Transitioning into the corkscrew usually involves a plane change, meaning going from spinning circles in a vertical plane to a horizontal plane. This is easier with a rigid toy like a staff, but with poi it can feel a little more awkward ( like trying to spell that word ). I suggest turning your body with the rotation of the upper part of the corkscrew as you bend the planes into this "move" Turn as much as you want, 90 deg, 360 deg. It'll definitely smooth out the transition. Likewise for getting out of this move too, just figure out where you want to put your next move eg. weave, and go with the flow and drop your poi into the position you want them.
Flowers? the basic concept is pretty simple, but the plane control required to pull these off, isn't. https://www.feuershow.de/ has tutorials on flowers, but I don't seem to be able to link directly to them
Posted: Thanks. With a little experimenting, I can transition to the corkscrew from spinning backwards by bringing one poi up to swing around my head in the horizontal plane for 1 beat, and then beginning. I can then drop out into the 3-beat weave, turn into the reverse 3-beat weave, and then back to backwards and repeat. Turning does help a great deal, but I couldn't explain why...
No doubt some wisecrack physicist could explain it to me
Posted: I find that the easiest transition into a corckscrew is to start with a windmill and basically turn it on its side.
I agree with you Total. If you learn *everything* when you are starting you will find unlikely links into new moves, making learning other things easier. Even if you don't like a move, it can prove to be a useful link that brings 2 other moves together smoothly, or a useful escape when things havn't gone where you wanted them to. Once you have a broad proficiency you can specialise in your favourite areas. This is also how it tends to be done in martial arts, and probably other movement arts. At the early stages, anything that improves your motor coordination and control has to be a good thing.
Flashes of inspiration seem to be the thing with poi. I can spend ages breaking down a move and really fighting with it, then one day something will click, I spend 2 mins practicing and I've got it. 3bt weave took me about 3-4 weeks of frustration, extended mostly byt the fact that there is a limit to how much frustration I can take before I need a nice cup of tea. I think the key for me is being able to visualise the path the poi need to take, and then visualise where they are relative to each other, and where the string/sock should be. Sometimes working with sticks helps with this, or even watching videos in slow motion.