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Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:
Blatently ripped from the juggling world... But I love the idea so I want to try it.. if there's enough interest I'll make a wee website...
Tween - A term used in animation. The animators first draw a
series of keyframes which depict changes of direction in a scene.
Junior animators (or increasingly computers) then fill in the
frames nescesary to fill in the gaps. This gap filling is
called "Tweening"
The Idea:
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An experiment in the creation of poi videos by distributing the
filming process amongst many people, all of them working in isolation
with no knowledge of anyone else's contribution to the project. A
central editor then assembles these clips into the final piece of video.
To tie all the clips together, each participant is given a starting
point for their clip, and an end point. The intention is that these
common start/end points will allow the clips to be integrated into
a single, flowing sequence.
Blatently ripped from the juggling world... But I love the idea so I want to try it.. if there's enough interest I'll make a wee website...
Tween - A term used in animation. The animators first draw a
series of keyframes which depict changes of direction in a scene.
Junior animators (or increasingly computers) then fill in the
frames nescesary to fill in the gaps. This gap filling is
called "Tweening"
The Idea:
---------
An experiment in the creation of poi videos by distributing the
filming process amongst many people, all of them working in isolation
with no knowledge of anyone else's contribution to the project. A
central editor then assembles these clips into the final piece of video.
To tie all the clips together, each participant is given a starting
point for their clip, and an end point. The intention is that these
common start/end points will allow the clips to be integrated into
a single, flowing sequence.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Berlin, Ireland
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Berlin, Ireland
Posted:
I love the idea Meg. I'd be interested in participating.
If you invite them, they will come....get building!
I think this would require some kind of table. Of the virtual variety.
Performer order Documenting order,
Start and end positions for poi as well as direction they are travelling.
Body - Hand positions
- Feet positions.
- Weight distribution.
- Posture.
- Head position
Standard specification of poi length and/or colour?
Where all of the above relates to the frame of the camera shot...
Maybe some of it's going over board but I think a bit of structure could make this very interesting...
BTW - I hate that world Tween....can you hear it? The tweening? Yuck
I love the idea Meg. I'd be interested in participating.
If you invite them, they will come....get building!
I think this would require some kind of table. Of the virtual variety.
Performer order Documenting order,
Start and end positions for poi as well as direction they are travelling.
Body - Hand positions
- Feet positions.
- Weight distribution.
- Posture.
- Head position
Standard specification of poi length and/or colour?
Where all of the above relates to the frame of the camera shot...
Maybe some of it's going over board but I think a bit of structure could make this very interesting...
BTW - I hate that world Tween....can you hear it? The tweening? Yuck
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old hand
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Location: New Zealand
old hand
920 posts
Location: New Zealand
Posted:
mcp, that's so oldscool, we talked about that idea ages ago for the sphism dvd
but i'd definitely be up for playing around with it since it was too much of a logistical nightmare to organise.
To be honest tho i find the easiest way is for everyone to freestyle, then the editor just picks 2 bits where people are both doing the same move and make the transition.
That's kinda how i've edited some of the video, it's something i played with on that fire video i made a while back.
I'd be up for editing some stuff if someone else can organisse it
m
mcp, that's so oldscool, we talked about that idea ages ago for the sphism dvd
but i'd definitely be up for playing around with it since it was too much of a logistical nightmare to organise.
To be honest tho i find the easiest way is for everyone to freestyle, then the editor just picks 2 bits where people are both doing the same move and make the transition.
That's kinda how i've edited some of the video, it's something i played with on that fire video i made a while back.
I'd be up for editing some stuff if someone else can organisse it
m
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
this idea is pre old skool!
jez when i first met him in 2002 was talking about doing this.
he wanted to do it in a less distributed manner (i.e. he'd take all the video of the participants and edit himself) and wanted to base the idea around a pretty stick.
the keyframes would have been throws of the stick out of and back into the frame (with a new manipulator on the end of each throw).
i think its a really nice idea to use a standard prop, to help tie the sections of the tween together.
the prop then gives the viewer a common thread to latch onto through the different parts of the video
personally, i want to see a 4inchacrylictween
i would happily contribute a section to this
but we need someone to take the lead and propose what common elements the sections should include (e.g. all footage taken outside on a sunny day, all props white sock poi etc.) and what the tween keyframes should be (the lead-in/lead-out points) of each person's section.
and we also need someone that can donate a shedload of server space to upload the videos to while this is in production...
this project calls for some serious anti-slackness!
cole. x
this idea is pre old skool!
jez when i first met him in 2002 was talking about doing this.
he wanted to do it in a less distributed manner (i.e. he'd take all the video of the participants and edit himself) and wanted to base the idea around a pretty stick.
the keyframes would have been throws of the stick out of and back into the frame (with a new manipulator on the end of each throw).
i think its a really nice idea to use a standard prop, to help tie the sections of the tween together.
the prop then gives the viewer a common thread to latch onto through the different parts of the video
personally, i want to see a 4inchacrylictween
i would happily contribute a section to this
but we need someone to take the lead and propose what common elements the sections should include (e.g. all footage taken outside on a sunny day, all props white sock poi etc.) and what the tween keyframes should be (the lead-in/lead-out points) of each person's section.
and we also need someone that can donate a shedload of server space to upload the videos to while this is in production...
this project calls for some serious anti-slackness!
cole. x
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Still wiggling
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Still wiggling
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Posted:
Bah... doesn't really matter where the idea comes from, does it?
Meg... are you up for organising this? Cos that's what's needed...
If it's organised, it will be done...
good luck
Bah... doesn't really matter where the idea comes from, does it?
Meg... are you up for organising this? Cos that's what's needed...
If it's organised, it will be done...
good luck
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old hand
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old hand
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Location: New Zealand
Posted:
well i can offer editing skills and much server space.
Just decide on a theme and i'm in.
m
well i can offer editing skills and much server space.
Just decide on a theme and i'm in.
m
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Still wiggling
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Still wiggling
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Posted:
Tee hee...
Concepts, locations, costumes?
I'll go think about it - outside, in the sunshine
Tee hee...
Concepts, locations, costumes?
I'll go think about it - outside, in the sunshine
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Flying Water Muppet
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Flying Water Muppet
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Location: Edin-borrow., United Kingdom
Posted:
Yeah I am up for organising it, since I'm gonna make a website for it. I didn't quite think everybody would be quite so keen, so now I have to use up more time at work writing this post... arghness.
So As DDS, said there are some things to consider between transitions, like background, prop, placement etc. I'm going to ask you guys to make up the transitions, within my framework...
I'm gonna have 7 sections of 30 seconds long.
So I think it should be all sock poi, outdoors (for the light), with any bland / non-distracting background. (I don't think the background is most important) Preferably with single colour sock poi, that contrast with the background.
Transitions should be stated with the following details:
A) Where the spinner is standing in the frame, and what direction their facing.
B) A movement they are doing. Exactly specified.
C) Any other relevant details.
so examples: Spinner is not in frame. Poi is thrown onto frame. Spinner enters frame picks it up and starts spinning. (Only one poi is thrown)
or Spinner doing forwards anti-spin 4 petal flowers, in the middle of the frame, facing left. (from the cameras perspective)
that was an example, the transition can ultimately be anything, it doesn't have to be a spinning blend transition...
So 7 transitions please, well 5 really, and a comedy start and a cool stop.
I reserve the right to pick 7 and / or change them slightly.
Yeah I am up for organising it, since I'm gonna make a website for it. I didn't quite think everybody would be quite so keen, so now I have to use up more time at work writing this post... arghness.
So As DDS, said there are some things to consider between transitions, like background, prop, placement etc. I'm going to ask you guys to make up the transitions, within my framework...
I'm gonna have 7 sections of 30 seconds long.
So I think it should be all sock poi, outdoors (for the light), with any bland / non-distracting background. (I don't think the background is most important) Preferably with single colour sock poi, that contrast with the background.
Transitions should be stated with the following details:
A) Where the spinner is standing in the frame, and what direction their facing.
B) A movement they are doing. Exactly specified.
C) Any other relevant details.
so examples: Spinner is not in frame. Poi is thrown onto frame. Spinner enters frame picks it up and starts spinning. (Only one poi is thrown)
or Spinner doing forwards anti-spin 4 petal flowers, in the middle of the frame, facing left. (from the cameras perspective)
that was an example, the transition can ultimately be anything, it doesn't have to be a spinning blend transition...
So 7 transitions please, well 5 really, and a comedy start and a cool stop.
I reserve the right to pick 7 and / or change them slightly.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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old hand
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old hand
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Posted:
i'd suggest distance you stand from the camera would be well worth setting, as that will make editing very easy.
i'd suggest distance you stand from the camera would be well worth setting, as that will make editing very easy.
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Flying Water Muppet
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Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:
kinda hard with different lenses ain't it?
I suppose I could state that all transitions have to have the spinner standing at a distance from the camera there there is a cm of frame from the bottom before their feet and enough room on the top for long arm spinning not to cut the poi off.
Would that make sense?
I want to set the spinning transitions down in concrete so that's it's not very hard for people to actually make the video. But if somebody has a really cool idea, feel free to break the mould...
kinda hard with different lenses ain't it?
I suppose I could state that all transitions have to have the spinner standing at a distance from the camera there there is a cm of frame from the bottom before their feet and enough room on the top for long arm spinning not to cut the poi off.
Would that make sense?
I want to set the spinning transitions down in concrete so that's it's not very hard for people to actually make the video. But if somebody has a really cool idea, feel free to break the mould...
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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Posted:
i think its a lovely idea
Set it to a particular piece of music to help match rhythms?
and don't set camera distance, set a rough frame composition, like meg says.
a little sketch of a man in a box should do the job nicely, innit?
i think its a lovely idea
Set it to a particular piece of music to help match rhythms?
and don't set camera distance, set a rough frame composition, like meg says.
a little sketch of a man in a box should do the job nicely, innit?
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Flying Water Muppet
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Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:
finding music that everybody likes? Wouldn't I have to be a god to do that?
yeah, I think that's a good idea.
Transitions please!
finding music that everybody likes? Wouldn't I have to be a god to do that?
yeah, I think that's a good idea.
Transitions please!
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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Flying Water Muppet
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Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:
different.
different.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
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Posted:
As far as I know, Tween is a detergent and I use it in my protein assays
sorry, know it's off-topic, but I was just curious to see what it had to do with poi 
As far as I know, Tween is a detergent and I use it in my protein assays
sorry, know it's off-topic, but I was just curious to see what it had to do with poi
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there used to be some commercial advertisement in the US where a basketball was dribbled and thrown out of frame, say to the left, and then it cut to someone catching a ball entering from the right, or someone throwing it up, and a cut and someone catching the ball dropping in.
that would be the easiest way to do transitions, rather than someone centered in the frame facing right doing forward 4 petal antispin flowers, and cutting/cross fading to someone in the same orientation doing the same move, and then picking up from there....
though where they are in the frame doesnt really matter....i did some effects in my poi video where i am doing a move, and faded to me doing the same move somewhere else in the frame, and it just looks like neat camera play.
I dont have a camera, but I would love to see what you guys come up with.
there used to be some commercial advertisement in the US where a basketball was dribbled and thrown out of frame, say to the left, and then it cut to someone catching a ball entering from the right, or someone throwing it up, and a cut and someone catching the ball dropping in.
that would be the easiest way to do transitions, rather than someone centered in the frame facing right doing forward 4 petal antispin flowers, and cutting/cross fading to someone in the same orientation doing the same move, and then picking up from there....
though where they are in the frame doesnt really matter....i did some effects in my poi video where i am doing a move, and faded to me doing the same move somewhere else in the frame, and it just looks like neat camera play.
I dont have a camera, but I would love to see what you guys come up with.
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I am so up for joining in this. Even if you are making one video, parhaps other people can join in for more videos. You may have started a craze.
I am so up for joining in this. Even if you are making one video, parhaps other people can join in for more videos. You may have started a craze.
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compfuzzled
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compfuzzled
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Posted:
what cole said about using the same prop to help transitions and stuff
surely at something like play, or another meet there would be enough time for 5/10/15whatever people get together and then each given whatever the chosen prop is and do 5/10mins each all starting from the same point, standard camera positions etc...
i think this would make the idea alot more possible, and then maybe think about having lots of different people in different places etc...
what cole said about using the same prop to help transitions and stuff
surely at something like play, or another meet there would be enough time for 5/10/15whatever people get together and then each given whatever the chosen prop is and do 5/10mins each all starting from the same point, standard camera positions etc...
i think this would make the idea alot more possible, and then maybe think about having lots of different people in different places etc...
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stranger
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Location: Sydney Australia
stranger
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Location: Sydney Australia
Posted:
Hi, Id love to offer my assistance in this project. I have done alot of similar work but with novels (we have created multiple short storys and novelettes where by each main character was writen by a seperate author and as such had to organize each chapter to fit in. Would lvoe to bring this skill to video
Hi, Id love to offer my assistance in this project. I have done alot of similar work but with novels (we have created multiple short storys and novelettes where by each main character was writen by a seperate author and as such had to organize each chapter to fit in. Would lvoe to bring this skill to video
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
Intruder alert!
Intruder alert!
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Flying Water Muppet
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Flying Water Muppet
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Well, if nobody is going to supply any transitions, then I'll have to make them up myself.
I might do a singular one at play, and give it to the guys who're going to make the DVD, but I'd also like to edit one up seperately, from a more diverse range of spinners. (and locations... )
so this is your last chance: Transitions please!
(then I can make the website...)
Well, if nobody is going to supply any transitions, then I'll have to make them up myself.
I might do a singular one at play, and give it to the guys who're going to make the DVD, but I'd also like to edit one up seperately, from a more diverse range of spinners. (and locations... )
so this is your last chance: Transitions please!
(then I can make the website...)
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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Still wiggling
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Still wiggling
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Posted:
?
I am confused... do you need transitions between moves or shots or what exactly?
?
I am confused... do you need transitions between moves or shots or what exactly?
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Flying Water Muppet
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Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:
between segments of the video. as described above, in like my second post or something...
between segments of the video. as described above, in like my second post or something...
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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Posted:
:O
Transitions depend also greatly on the video editing we will be doing, after all anything can be transitioned to look fluid with the correct editing
Transition ideas -
-Throws out of shot (up, left etc) (both poi or 1)
-Throw on the ground and stamp off in a huff to the left, next person enters from right
-butterfly to butterfly fade
-weave spin(360) into weave spin(360)
-Poi thrown at camera blanking shot with poi thrown ack to new person from next to camera
depending on how much editing you want to do we can look at morph effects, etc.
Written by: DeepSoulSolas
Intruder alert!
:O
Transitions depend also greatly on the video editing we will be doing, after all anything can be transitioned to look fluid with the correct editing
Transition ideas -
-Throws out of shot (up, left etc) (both poi or 1)
-Throw on the ground and stamp off in a huff to the left, next person enters from right
-butterfly to butterfly fade
-weave spin(360) into weave spin(360)
-Poi thrown at camera blanking shot with poi thrown ack to new person from next to camera
depending on how much editing you want to do we can look at morph effects, etc.
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HOP librarian
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HOP librarian
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Posted:
Madison variations ?
light,
:R
Madison variations ?
light,
:R
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Flying Water Muppet
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Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:
madison variations?
madison variations?
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
NYC
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Posted:
This sounds like the perfect thing to talk a bunch about and then not actually do.
This sounds like the perfect thing to talk a bunch about and then not actually do.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:
I reckon, just get a bunch of people to do it at PLAY, that way you can get them to do it one after the other in succession then everyone will know where to stand for the next bit, you can use the same poi AND the same background, all you need for continuity is for them to finish and start with two repitions of a move, you should be able to fit the music into it afterwards...
I reckon, just get a bunch of people to do it at PLAY, that way you can get them to do it one after the other in succession then everyone will know where to stand for the next bit, you can use the same poi AND the same background, all you need for continuity is for them to finish and start with two repitions of a move, you should be able to fit the music into it afterwards...
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Flying Water Muppet
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Posted:
well it seems that way doesn't it? Nobody wants to give me any transitions, and that's the easy bit. So getting anybody to actually make a video might be a bit of a challenge.
well it seems that way doesn't it? Nobody wants to give me any transitions, and that's the easy bit. So getting anybody to actually make a video might be a bit of a challenge.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
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compfuzzled
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compfuzzled
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Posted:
so what i said earlier in the thread then
Written by: LazyAngel
I reckon, just get a bunch of people to do it at PLAY, that way you can get them to do it one after the other in succession then everyone will know where to stand for the next bit, you can use the same poi AND the same background, all you need for continuity is for them to finish and start with two repitions of a move, you should be able to fit the music into it afterwards...
so what i said earlier in the thread then
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