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MedusaSILVER Member
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Location: 8 days at Cloudbreak, 6 in Perth, Australia


Posted:
Another thread made me think about starting this topic:

Last week we were discussing people taking photos and how it may reflect if they are taking photos on one "type" or twirler and how it may reflect badly on the community (Goths seemed to be the main target in of this discussion).

I always believed that the fire community was open and accepting of all types of people, not just one certain set, but lately after seeing not just one the other board but also a couple of discussion so n here, maybe twirlers aren't as open minded as they might like to think they are.

On the outside generally most groups tend to be very open and accepting but when presented with someone that may be out of the norm to what they would normally be around they get very tetchy and closeminded.

Emos were the target in one such thread on this board which is the one that got me thinking about it.

Why is it that some people no matter who you are or what group you are in tend to judge people just because they, dress, act or sound differently to you.

Just because one person is an "emo"/"goth"/"hippy" or whatever other tag you want to label them with how do you know that they are not nice people?

I was a goth once upon a time and I find most goths are quite nice (most are really shy actually) if you just give them the time of day. I don't know what my label would be now, but I try to think of myself as open minded enough to at least give someone a chance without judging them on their appearance, what they wear, their hiarstyle or hair colour.

So are we becoming a very close minded group and if so why? Why are we laughing at certain groups within society today? Why are we classifying certain groups as less worthy of our attention than others?

Don't know if I have worded this all that well but I hope people get my drift...

StoneGOLD Member
Stream Entrant
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Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
I'm with coleman on the ska.


And mods on mopeds.







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FireTomStargazer
6,650 posts

Posted:
Well I missed the entire discussion (understood that this is not about a discussion anyways but only to harvest opinions)... however:

Personally I consider myself open minded and tolerant... with an emphasis on "-rant" (and I am still trying to find out what "tole" means) wink

I tried to explain this previously and composed a very controversial thread - it got deleted... wink

However I came to the conclusion that open mindedness and tolerance don't have to go together.

Also that the community of fire twirlers is not always as tolerant as it wants to be (pls note: I am NOT talking about "pretending").

Having shared roofs with a few "hippies" in my life I had to learn the hard way that some of those who claim to be THE most tolerant people in fact are not.

And having shared the table with a few conservatives along the way I was lucky enough to meet some of THE most tolerant people I met in my entire life.

What is my conclusion? Never charge a book by the cover and don't apply stereotypes. After all ppl are ppl and they are all individuals in myriad combinations AND foremost: we all learn and evolve.

Everyone in it's own pace... smile *changes to gregorian chorus* aaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaahAmeen....

the best smiles are the ones you lead to wink


Mags The JediGOLD Member
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Location: Cornwall, UK


Posted:
 Written by: Dentrassi


but generally id say that goths are the happy ones.



ubblol ubbrollsmile

 Written by: misscorinthian


All I can say is, I attended my first social gathering of HoPpers last weekend (Falmouth) and I am unaware of anyone being like that. People came from all over the country, some had known each other years, some had never met. Everyone was welcoming and very willing to socialise with everyone else, and quite a few didn't even have the connection of this website.



That's cos Falmouth's special. wink

devil

"I believe the cost of life is Death and we will all pay that in full. Everything else should be a gift. We paid the cover charge of life, we were born."

Bill Hicks, February 1988


linden rathenGOLD Member
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6,942 posts
Location: London, UK


Posted:
falmouth is super magical - well everyone is too far gone to really worry about whos who or what wink

id say fire toms right - there are intolerant people in the community but id (like) to think that on the whole we've got one of the most accepting communities going - ok so not everyone gets on but they manage to deal with it in a sensible way

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BirgitBRONZE Member
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4,145 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)


Posted:
I think the very best example of intolerant hippies is in John Irving's latest book... it's called "Until I find you", and part of it plays in Edinburgh, by the way with a very accurate description of how a German perceives the town and finally gets killed by a black cab coming from the "wrong" side of the road ubblol

There's this girl sharing a flat with a bunch of hippie vegans who insist that she can't keep cactii (just what happened to me, my old flatmate insisted my cactii were bad feng shui and had to go). I'm still planning to write John Irving and congratulate him on his sense of perception of people biggrin

"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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FireTomStargazer
6,650 posts

Posted:
...and isn't this one of the advantages of ANY community, that due to the common goal or interest, the participants are able to ignore conditions that otherwise would not easily tolerate?

Picture a Hippie in the park watching a "shallow banker" sit down right next to him... after taking off his coat he pulls out a pair of poi and starts to spin a btb 7 beat wave... eek all of a sudden the "shallow banker" transforms into something else...

Without accepting the general condition under which the other organised her/ his life, both would be able to entangle on common grounds... hug

I guess it was Birgit who stated this (and I luvit): Some people move so far left that they come back through the other side...

Of course I have my stereotypes too (like the combo shaved head, bomber jacket, jeans, doc martins, swastika tattoed on the forehead, baseball bat in the fist), but I tell you what:

Recently I met a guy who (except for the swastika and baseball bat) fitted this image. He sat in a Nepalese store in Munich and talked to the owner, a friend of mine. He looked very familiar and he was a real gentle and nice guy. After he left, the owner talked to me and told me about his story (and I remembered why he looked so familiar): he was an infamous hooligan and VERY violent guy as a teen and twen, he used to beat everyone up who didn't suit his picture... eek

What a change to this sympathetic, gentle and smart fellow... Unfortunately I haven't met him since to talk to him, but it certainly broadened my horizon and view.

The ways people take on their individual road to "enlightenment" are mysterious and vary. Fortunately we have time and brain to contemplate, to ponder AND (foremost) the ability to evolve... I embrace life just as much as I reject it - it's a miracle smile

I love this community exactly for the potential of what you just said, linden: they manage to deal with it in a sensible way...

And I'd add something: I haven't met many spinners who think that they are larger than life - they all know there are "bigger fish" out there and that everyone is unique and special in their own fashion and style...

the best smiles are the ones you lead to wink


Mr MajestikSILVER Member
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Posted:
 Written by: FireTom


And I'd add something: I haven't met many spinners who think that they are larger than life - they all know there are "bigger fish" out there and that everyone is unique and special in their own fashion and style...



That cause all the jocks play 'real' sports....like football. wink

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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PinkNigelPinker than thou
336 posts
Location: A little pink world all my own..


Posted:
 Written by: Mint Sauce


humm Iv just got Bcak from the BJC and me and bov noticed in the hall there was well over 150 people but not a single black person and so so many more men than women.



That's cos juggling ( in the UK, anyway ) is for white middle-class boys.
( Ducks and runs for cover, even though you know it's true.. )

Can't speak for the "white" part, can only hazard a guess at the "middle-class" bit ( moderate disposable income, reasonably high proportion of leisure time ), but the boy bit I'm convinced has to do with the gender-disposition toward obsessive behaviour being directed toward hours of practice.

N.

A wise man once said: "You have two ears and one mouth, therefore you should shut the censored up and listen" (though, to be fair, he might not've put it _quite_ like that..)


NYCNYC
9,232 posts
Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
I can't really find any information on the demographics of juggling.

There's certainly a stigma associated with juggling that would prevent it from being as accepted by certain cultures.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]


DentrassiGOLD Member
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3,045 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia


Posted:
you mean stigma like



mcp: "juggling is sooo obviously totally gay" tongue



i also find that juggling attracts mostly nerdy white men (like myself) - but in Sydney we've got quite a large asian community - so we also get nerdy asian kids as well - although they seem to prefer yoyos (not that we hold that against them wink )

In the areas where the spinning/juggling events are - they are the only alternative/openminded/diverse areas in Sydney so no-one really pays attention - including myself - but that question has piqued my curiosity so i might pay a bit more attention.


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Mr MajestikSILVER Member
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Posted:
what are you talking about? theres no juggling or twirling in the cross! wink

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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RayinRedSILVER Member
member
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Location: Huntington, New York, USA


Posted:
Clothes dont make the people. One of the things I love most about the fire community is that it is so diverse and accept. As a jewish lesbian (who was formally goth/punk), I have been welcomed and loved by fire twirlers simply because I love to spin

To all those who discriminate and label, shove it. Its not worth the energy.

SixthSILVER Member
Devil May Cry
327 posts
Location: Manchester / London, United Kingdom


Posted:
meh...to be honest I really couldnt care what ppl think of me when im poiing or staffing either they like it or not, they resent me or they praise me...its life be grateful knowing the fact that we can do what most people can't. And besides, people who stereotype are simply jealous! and theyre weak characters for judging people before getting to know them...all in all its simply life. biggrin...now back to work at 4am....I swear I'm gonna die from overworking frown

I give hope to others but I keep none for myself.


polaritySILVER Member
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Location: on the wrong planet, United Kingdom


Posted:
OK, without bringing up the whole intelligent design / evolution thing wink it's down to our evolution.

Monkeys form groups. When they come across another group they do the whole screeching and throwing turds thing. People have a habit of doing the same kind of thing, probably because something makes them feel safer to identify with a group.

You aren't thinking or really existing unless you're willing to risk even your own sanity in the judgment of your existence.

Green peppers, lime pickle and whole-grain mustard = best sandwich filling.


Groovy_DreamSILVER Member
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449 posts
Location: Australia


Posted:
A lot of twirlers are quite anti-society. But, where do you draw the line between being anti-society and intolerant?

polaritySILVER Member
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Location: on the wrong planet, United Kingdom


Posted:
I'm more inclined to see it as being anti-conformist.

The intolerance is something that comes from conformism. People here seem to be very accepting, so long as you don't fit into the mainstream stereotypes of chav/emo. And if you do it seems to be more ridiculed than not tolerated.

You aren't thinking or really existing unless you're willing to risk even your own sanity in the judgment of your existence.

Green peppers, lime pickle and whole-grain mustard = best sandwich filling.


SixthSILVER Member
Devil May Cry
327 posts
Location: Manchester / London, United Kingdom


Posted:
OoahahaoOoOAAHhAhAAHhAHhAOAOAOo.......AAAAAAAAaa! ubblol

I give hope to others but I keep none for myself.


Rouge DragonBRONZE Member
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Posted:
 Written by: polarity


I'm more inclined to see it as being anti-conformist.

The intolerance is something that comes from conformism. People here seem to be very accepting, so long as you don't fit into the mainstream stereotypes of chav/emo. And if you do it seems to be more ridiculed than not tolerated.



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I agree completely. And unfortunately, but I will admit it, my own thinking in general can work quite this way when it comes to making friends and judging strangers. (This also includes trendies and yuppies for me, even tho 2 of my best friends are trendies).

Not sure how it cna be fixed tho. confused

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


Mr MajestikSILVER Member
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia


Posted:
with a philipshead, it can screw anything. umm wink

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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SixthSILVER Member
Devil May Cry
327 posts
Location: Manchester / London, United Kingdom


Posted:
blah i blame it on human nature....every ones afraid of change and thats the way it is

I give hope to others but I keep none for myself.


blu_valleySILVER Member
fluffy mess
197 posts
Location: Brighton, United Kingdom


Posted:
 Written by: linden rathen


falmouth is super magical - wink





As are most meets arn't they? wink

I showed a non-spinner friend of mine some of the video I took at Falmouth 5. She exclaimed , "that guy is a punk, punks dont do poi.", which I found highly amusing.
It is fair enough to say that not all punks spin poi, but it is not impossible for there to be a few spinners who also happen to be punks. She told me that I was wrong and that punks DO NOT SPIN POI.Well for someone who quite obviously 'wasn't spinning poi,' he was doing some really skillful things with those socks and that stick.
wink

The spinning community is possibly not the 100% open-minded and tolerant community that it wants to be, but it most certaily one of THE most tolerant and open minded communities that there are.

"I want to know if you can see beauty even when it's not pretty, every day,and if you can source your own life from its presence.." - Oriah Mountain Dreamer


firespiralmember
21 posts
Location: Sunny Coast, Qld


Posted:
i wonder if i fit into any pigeon holes?

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Art is a way of life.


newgabeSILVER Member
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Location: Bali, Australia


Posted:
 Written by: firespiral


i wonder if i fit into any pigeon holes?


Yep. Terrific bloody wondergrrrls.
Firespinning mummies rule!! biggrin

Spinners I have met in Oz vary from geeky to hippie to 'nice', quite a few are Asian, but all are young,smart,and fit.

Then there's me: a dumpy 52 year old with dodgy clothes sense and a propensity to lecture people. Yet I have been so accepted in the spinning scene...Why? cos I like to spin. Can't quite imagine being so accepted in any other 'youth oriented' scene around here.

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....


GnorBRONZE Member
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5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia


Posted:
goes and sits with Gabe in the frumpy frock corner dressed like a hobo

Gabe you are awesome. You must be cos lots of ppl tell me so. I believe Lex! I like to spin too.

ubblove

Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu


DentrassiGOLD Member
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3,045 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia


Posted:
hug you guys are my favourite frumpy frocked ladies in the world kiss

"Here kitty kitty...." - Schroedinger.


newgabeSILVER Member
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4,030 posts
Location: Bali, Australia


Posted:
and you too Ed are one of OUR favorite frumpy frocked ladies in the whole world!

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....


GnorBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia


Posted:
awwww.... ubblove ubblove ubblove

see I think we are part of the other stereotype of spinner that is the hugging - loving - happy to see you type

Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu


DentrassiGOLD Member
ZORT!
3,045 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia


Posted:
hug

yay! we have successfully hijacked a thread dealing with negtive emotions with love and hugs!
Quick my 2 Robins - while we're on a roll, jump into the Bathippymobile and lets shoot over over to the religion threads to spread some more love!

peace

"Here kitty kitty...." - Schroedinger.


Psycho_lemmingSILVER Member
Running hippy spinning lemming
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Location: Scotland


Posted:
...runs in.... hug hug hug... love you.... runs out

offtopic

xxx

Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering...


GnorBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
5,814 posts
Location: Perth, Australia


Posted:
slips a leotard and mask on Mz Lemming and pops her in the batmobile

its a Robintrio

Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu


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