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Posted:
Another thread made me think about starting this topic:
Last week we were discussing people taking photos and how it may reflect if they are taking photos on one "type" or twirler and how it may reflect badly on the community (Goths seemed to be the main target in of this discussion).
I always believed that the fire community was open and accepting of all types of people, not just one certain set, but lately after seeing not just one the other board but also a couple of discussion so n here, maybe twirlers aren't as open minded as they might like to think they are.
On the outside generally most groups tend to be very open and accepting but when presented with someone that may be out of the norm to what they would normally be around they get very tetchy and closeminded.
Emos were the target in one such thread on this board which is the one that got me thinking about it.
Why is it that some people no matter who you are or what group you are in tend to judge people just because they, dress, act or sound differently to you.
Just because one person is an "emo"/"goth"/"hippy" or whatever other tag you want to label them with how do you know that they are not nice people?
I was a goth once upon a time and I find most goths are quite nice (most are really shy actually) if you just give them the time of day. I don't know what my label would be now, but I try to think of myself as open minded enough to at least give someone a chance without judging them on their appearance, what they wear, their hiarstyle or hair colour.
So are we becoming a very close minded group and if so why? Why are we laughing at certain groups within society today? Why are we classifying certain groups as less worthy of our attention than others?
Don't know if I have worded this all that well but I hope people get my drift...
Another thread made me think about starting this topic:
Last week we were discussing people taking photos and how it may reflect if they are taking photos on one "type" or twirler and how it may reflect badly on the community (Goths seemed to be the main target in of this discussion).
I always believed that the fire community was open and accepting of all types of people, not just one certain set, but lately after seeing not just one the other board but also a couple of discussion so n here, maybe twirlers aren't as open minded as they might like to think they are.
On the outside generally most groups tend to be very open and accepting but when presented with someone that may be out of the norm to what they would normally be around they get very tetchy and closeminded.
Emos were the target in one such thread on this board which is the one that got me thinking about it.
Why is it that some people no matter who you are or what group you are in tend to judge people just because they, dress, act or sound differently to you.
Just because one person is an "emo"/"goth"/"hippy" or whatever other tag you want to label them with how do you know that they are not nice people?
I was a goth once upon a time and I find most goths are quite nice (most are really shy actually) if you just give them the time of day. I don't know what my label would be now, but I try to think of myself as open minded enough to at least give someone a chance without judging them on their appearance, what they wear, their hiarstyle or hair colour.
So are we becoming a very close minded group and if so why? Why are we laughing at certain groups within society today? Why are we classifying certain groups as less worthy of our attention than others?
Don't know if I have worded this all that well but I hope people get my drift...
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Posted:
*places nice big razor wire fence before the silly Mr majestik
just because you cant do hyperloops with your silly sticks
steriotypical spinner: someone, who when compelled with promises of food/drink/spliff/hugs will occasionaly display a tendancy to wildly whirl various items around their body before going back to sleep
*places nice big razor wire fence before the silly Mr majestik
just because you cant do hyperloops with your silly sticks
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Written by: Mr Majestik
stereotypical poi'er:
someone that sucks too much to do staff
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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Posted:
*pulls nice big wire cutters out of pants and proceeds to defy linden_rathen*
no i wanst just happy to see you.
*pulls nice big wire cutters out of pants and proceeds to defy linden_rathen*
no i wanst just happy to see you.
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Posted:
Now I know what an emo is anyway
Now I know what an emo is anyway
Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
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Posted:
sorry Medusa, I did not mean to be rude either!It is a good discussion, but I just thought the whole premise amusing!
sorry Medusa, I did not mean to be rude either!It is a good discussion, but I just thought the whole premise amusing!
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Posted:
as i said before, grouping and demographics statistically can be different things
while some obvious aspects are similiar, we belong to different subcultures...some of us belong to a poi subculture while others do it as a hobby
some are liberals other conservative
white, middle class, aethist, minority, blue collar, religious, spiritual
i think the razzing of the poor emo girl and the avid discussions on id and evolution, God, ethics, and all that prove that below the surface we are anything but homogeneous
Written by: NYCWritten by: faithinfire
just because the demographic is pretty specific does not mean the we are one homogeneous group
Actually, that's exactly what it means.
as i said before, grouping and demographics statistically can be different things
while some obvious aspects are similiar, we belong to different subcultures...some of us belong to a poi subculture while others do it as a hobby
some are liberals other conservative
white, middle class, aethist, minority, blue collar, religious, spiritual
i think the razzing of the poor emo girl and the avid discussions on id and evolution, God, ethics, and all that prove that below the surface we are anything but homogeneous
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Posted:
Are twirlers open minded? Hmmm, let's have a think back to a few threads recently:
"Anyone who hunts is a scumbag"
"Anyone who voted for John Howard is a moron"
"Bush is the epitome of evil and those who put him there are worthless worms"
These aren't direct quotes but rather give the gist of a few mildly offensive statements the last few months.
Ultimately we're only human and have all the human fallibilities, as a group we are no more, nor no less tolerant than any other out there. We can only talk about our uniting feature (spinning things) for so long before other stuff starts creeping in, and that's where the differences start to show.
Are twirlers open minded? Hmmm, let's have a think back to a few threads recently:
"Anyone who hunts is a scumbag"
"Anyone who voted for John Howard is a moron"
"Bush is the epitome of evil and those who put him there are worthless worms"
These aren't direct quotes but rather give the gist of a few mildly offensive statements the last few months.
Ultimately we're only human and have all the human fallibilities, as a group we are no more, nor no less tolerant than any other out there. We can only talk about our uniting feature (spinning things) for so long before other stuff starts creeping in, and that's where the differences start to show.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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Posted:
Eera just because someone holds those views doesnt mean that they arnt open minded....
hitler may have been open minded (i dont know) and even if he was he still may have ordered the holocaust
open minded doesnt mean that someone is tolerant - just willing to accept that there are other views and to see what they are
you can be incredably open minded and very in tolerant and visa versa
Eera just because someone holds those views doesnt mean that they arnt open minded....
hitler may have been open minded (i dont know) and even if he was he still may have ordered the holocaust
open minded doesnt mean that someone is tolerant - just willing to accept that there are other views and to see what they are
you can be incredably open minded and very in tolerant and visa versa
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Posted:
No, I don't think so.
Open-minded means "having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others".
Intolerant means "narrow-minded about cherished opinions".
[Dictionary.com quotes]
I'm pretty sure you can't be open-minded and narrow-minded at the same time.
Written by: linden rathen
you can be incredably open minded and very in tolerant and visa versa
No, I don't think so.
Open-minded means "having or showing receptiveness to new and different ideas or the opinions of others".
Intolerant means "narrow-minded about cherished opinions".
[Dictionary.com quotes]
I'm pretty sure you can't be open-minded and narrow-minded at the same time.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
Hmm, not sure, I think you can be either about different areas of your life. Some people can shock you with extremely conservative views on art, say, whilst being extremely and demonstratively open-minded in different aspects of their life.
Against NYC's definitions (just to counterpoint it), on the same page as his one for intolerant was an alternative reading in line with your views, LR:
So the top one is basically what LR and I are saying.
Also, NYC, I could be very receptive to your opinions whilst thinking you were an idiot (I don't, I hasten to add!), for example. I could engage with them, debate them, and all the while think they were flawed. If, for example, I was running a questionnaire about something and you gave the opposite opinion to mine, I could still be receptive (it'd be my job to be) whilst disagreeing in a way which was basically unfair to your opinion (ie being narrow-minded and not giving it a proper chance). So your definitions don't really obtain to mutual exclusivity.
But hey, just my opinion
EDITED_BY: _kevlarsoul_ (1146065421)
Hmm, not sure, I think you can be either about different areas of your life. Some people can shock you with extremely conservative views on art, say, whilst being extremely and demonstratively open-minded in different aspects of their life.
Against NYC's definitions (just to counterpoint it), on the same page as his one for intolerant was an alternative reading in line with your views, LR:
Written by:
# S: (adj) intolerant (unwilling to tolerate difference of opinion)
# S: (adj) illiberal, intolerant (narrow-minded about cherished opinions)
So the top one is basically what LR and I are saying.
Also, NYC, I could be very receptive to your opinions whilst thinking you were an idiot (I don't, I hasten to add!), for example. I could engage with them, debate them, and all the while think they were flawed. If, for example, I was running a questionnaire about something and you gave the opposite opinion to mine, I could still be receptive (it'd be my job to be) whilst disagreeing in a way which was basically unfair to your opinion (ie being narrow-minded and not giving it a proper chance). So your definitions don't really obtain to mutual exclusivity.
But hey, just my opinion
EDITED_BY: _kevlarsoul_ (1146065421)
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Posted:
I would not call you 'intolerant' in that case. I was saying you were being open minded but disagreeing. I think there's a huge difference.
I don't think it's possible to be INTOLERANT on a single issue while being open minded. Different issues, sure. Disagree, sure. But narrowmindedness and openmindedness are mutually exclusive.
Written by: _kevlarsoul_
Also, NYC, I could be very receptive to your ideas whilst thinking you were an idiot (I don't, I hasten to add!), for example. I could engage with them, debate them, and all the while think they were wrong. So your definitions don't really obtain to mutual exclusivity.
I would not call you 'intolerant' in that case. I was saying you were being open minded but disagreeing. I think there's a huge difference.
I don't think it's possible to be INTOLERANT on a single issue while being open minded. Different issues, sure. Disagree, sure. But narrowmindedness and openmindedness are mutually exclusive.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Posted:
Argh, sorry I edited before you posted that. No jiggery pokery intended.
If I wasn't willing to accept anything you said to me, even if I spoke to you about it rationally and clearly, and was very willing to hear everything you had to say about it, wouldn't that make me both open-minded and intolerant? I'm being narrow minded about your opinions, but I'm receptive to hearing or learning about them.
Argh, sorry I edited before you posted that. No jiggery pokery intended.
If I wasn't willing to accept anything you said to me, even if I spoke to you about it rationally and clearly, and was very willing to hear everything you had to say about it, wouldn't that make me both open-minded and intolerant? I'm being narrow minded about your opinions, but I'm receptive to hearing or learning about them.
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Posted:
i agree with nyc here.
intolerance is equivalent to close-mindedness.
just as open-mindedness/close-mindedness is equivalent to broad-minded/narrow-mindedness.
kevlarsoul - your scenario is a perfect example of an intolerant/closed-minded person.
it doesn't matter if you allow someone to speak about their views if you have already decided beforehand that you do not agree with them.
what you describe is exactly what an intolerant/close-minded/narrow-minded person is.
a person that is not even prepared to listen is ignorant/dismissive.
a person that attempts to block all other views from being expressed is oppressive or tyrannical.
cole. x
i agree with nyc here.
intolerance is equivalent to close-mindedness.
just as open-mindedness/close-mindedness is equivalent to broad-minded/narrow-mindedness.
kevlarsoul - your scenario is a perfect example of an intolerant/closed-minded person.
it doesn't matter if you allow someone to speak about their views if you have already decided beforehand that you do not agree with them.
what you describe is exactly what an intolerant/close-minded/narrow-minded person is.
a person that is not even prepared to listen is ignorant/dismissive.
a person that attempts to block all other views from being expressed is oppressive or tyrannical.
cole. x
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Is it not also a good example o f a person who is secure in their beliefs?
NYC could (theoretically, of course) be trying to get me to share his close-minded views. Just because I think he's wrong, does that make me intolerant? Well, yes by his definition.
I'm intolerant if that means I don't tolerate close-minded people in terms of who I hang out with, who I associate with. People not prepared ot see the bigger picture. People have tried to persuade me things they believe, which patently aren't true. People who are acist or homophobic for example. I listen to their views and have a debate about it, but at the end of the day neither side is prepared to budge.
So I guess that makes me (and, I imagine, many in the community here) intolerant people.
Is it not also a good example o f a person who is secure in their beliefs?
NYC could (theoretically, of course) be trying to get me to share his close-minded views. Just because I think he's wrong, does that make me intolerant? Well, yes by his definition.
I'm intolerant if that means I don't tolerate close-minded people in terms of who I hang out with, who I associate with. People not prepared ot see the bigger picture. People have tried to persuade me things they believe, which patently aren't true. People who are acist or homophobic for example. I listen to their views and have a debate about it, but at the end of the day neither side is prepared to budge.
So I guess that makes me (and, I imagine, many in the community here) intolerant people.
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i don't think so - being secure in your beliefs/opinions is not equivalent to dismissing all conflicting beliefs/opinions as wrong.
i am intolerant towards the views of religious extremeists because they are completely close-minded on the issue of religion.
i am not intolerant towards religious people in general, and am actually highly respectful of well-intentioned, open-minded religious leaders.
open-mindedness/tolerance does not refer to your willingness to change your views or your level of conviction to the opinions you hold.
rather, it is your willingness to accept that others have views that differ from yours and showing a desire to understand their position, even though you may disagree with them.
i am mainly intolerant towards intolerant, close-minded people - its a vicious circle
cole. x
i don't think so - being secure in your beliefs/opinions is not equivalent to dismissing all conflicting beliefs/opinions as wrong.
i am intolerant towards the views of religious extremeists because they are completely close-minded on the issue of religion.
i am not intolerant towards religious people in general, and am actually highly respectful of well-intentioned, open-minded religious leaders.
open-mindedness/tolerance does not refer to your willingness to change your views or your level of conviction to the opinions you hold.
rather, it is your willingness to accept that others have views that differ from yours and showing a desire to understand their position, even though you may disagree with them.
i am mainly intolerant towards intolerant, close-minded people - its a vicious circle
cole. x
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Posted:
No, not by my definition. Thinking someone is wrong has nothing to do with tolerance.
People of differing religions can be tolerant towards each other even though they disagree. OR they could be intolerant of each other ending up in things like genocide.
I can be tolerant of people that are gay without wanting to sleep with men. One can be tolerant of those with differing opinions and show respect for the differing opinions. Or one can be a closed minded bigot. Both are possible.
Written by: _kevlarsoul_
Just because I think he's wrong, does that make me intolerant? Well, yes by his definition.
No, not by my definition. Thinking someone is wrong has nothing to do with tolerance.
People of differing religions can be tolerant towards each other even though they disagree. OR they could be intolerant of each other ending up in things like genocide.
I can be tolerant of people that are gay without wanting to sleep with men. One can be tolerant of those with differing opinions and show respect for the differing opinions. Or one can be a closed minded bigot. Both are possible.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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All I meant by "your definition" by the way, NYC, was the definitions you pasted.. just re-reading this it all looks like an attack on you which wasn't what I meant at all there
I just think that there is a certain intolerance in everyone, and to describe someone as "intolerant" means that their intolerance is extreme - that they cannot get past it. With the inotlerances we all have (for the beliefs and opinions of the more unpleasant members of society or what have you) it serves a positive purpose. I'm intolerant about racism, so I choose not to even read BNP literature because I know that it's not something I could bring myself to agree with (I know it will make me angry and frustrated to read it). That DOES make me intolerant. I am intolerant towards the BNP. For all I know, the BNP might have totally changed their mind, be pro-immigration etc... and I wouldn't know (well, I would, because it would probably be in the paper.. but that's seperate).
Gah. This is becoming a mess. All I'm saying is everyone has a limit to what they can tolerate. This doesn't make them narrow minded. I think we compartmentalise things in terms of how much we tolerate of them. So I DO believe that people can be open-minded (in the sense they're not narow-minded to most things) and narrow-minded (in the sense that they think they know more than they do about other things, and are as such prejudiced).
Thinking about the whole spinning community, I've met some people who I imagine would be described by many as "extremely open-minded" with extremely prejudiced views about certain issues. I don't think that effects their label as "extremely open minded" because the fact is, they're only as bad as anyone else.
There is no use for the label "open-minded" if it odesn't accept the fact that everyone has prejudice, because everyone has a background (for more on that, see the philosopher Gadamer who talks at length about how we can't approach anything without pejudices formed from our background). This is why some spinners take the piss out of others without realising they're doing it, whilst maintaining the fact that in the usual senses of the words, they're extremely open-minded to most things. We all form ideas and beliefs based on our backgrounds, otherwise we couldn't learn anything, or learn from our mistakes. I guess it's all "once bitten, twice shy". The fact we share a community gives us a certain set of prejudices anyway, I guess.
Sorry, that was rubbish. I can't get out what I mean.
All I meant by "your definition" by the way, NYC, was the definitions you pasted.. just re-reading this it all looks like an attack on you which wasn't what I meant at all there
I just think that there is a certain intolerance in everyone, and to describe someone as "intolerant" means that their intolerance is extreme - that they cannot get past it. With the inotlerances we all have (for the beliefs and opinions of the more unpleasant members of society or what have you) it serves a positive purpose. I'm intolerant about racism, so I choose not to even read BNP literature because I know that it's not something I could bring myself to agree with (I know it will make me angry and frustrated to read it). That DOES make me intolerant. I am intolerant towards the BNP. For all I know, the BNP might have totally changed their mind, be pro-immigration etc... and I wouldn't know (well, I would, because it would probably be in the paper.. but that's seperate).
Gah. This is becoming a mess. All I'm saying is everyone has a limit to what they can tolerate. This doesn't make them narrow minded. I think we compartmentalise things in terms of how much we tolerate of them. So I DO believe that people can be open-minded (in the sense they're not narow-minded to most things) and narrow-minded (in the sense that they think they know more than they do about other things, and are as such prejudiced).
Thinking about the whole spinning community, I've met some people who I imagine would be described by many as "extremely open-minded" with extremely prejudiced views about certain issues. I don't think that effects their label as "extremely open minded" because the fact is, they're only as bad as anyone else.
There is no use for the label "open-minded" if it odesn't accept the fact that everyone has prejudice, because everyone has a background (for more on that, see the philosopher Gadamer who talks at length about how we can't approach anything without pejudices formed from our background). This is why some spinners take the piss out of others without realising they're doing it, whilst maintaining the fact that in the usual senses of the words, they're extremely open-minded to most things. We all form ideas and beliefs based on our backgrounds, otherwise we couldn't learn anything, or learn from our mistakes. I guess it's all "once bitten, twice shy". The fact we share a community gives us a certain set of prejudices anyway, I guess.
Sorry, that was rubbish. I can't get out what I mean.
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Posted:
Yeah dude, I'm lost.
If you're saying that folks can be open minded about somethings then I'll agree.
If you're saying that nobody can be purely openminded then I'll agree.
Aside from that I got no clue what you're talking about.
Yeah dude, I'm lost.
If you're saying that folks can be open minded about somethings then I'll agree.
If you're saying that nobody can be purely openminded then I'll agree.
Aside from that I got no clue what you're talking about.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Hey, that's near enough for me
Hey, that's near enough for me
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
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Actually, I found your explanation really easy to understand and very sensible, especially in its final distillation:
Actually, I found your explanation really easy to understand and very sensible, especially in its final distillation:
Written by: _kevlarsoul_
There is no use for the label "open-minded" if it odesn't accept the fact that everyone has prejudice, because everyone has a background (for more on that, see the philosopher Gadamer who talks at length about how we can't approach anything without pejudices formed from our background). This is why some spinners take the piss out of others without realising they're doing it, whilst maintaining the fact that in the usual senses of the words, they're extremely open-minded to most things. We all form ideas and beliefs based on our backgrounds, otherwise we couldn't learn anything, or learn from our mistakes. I guess it's all "once bitten, twice shy". The fact we share a community gives us a certain set of prejudices anyway, I guess.
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Glad someone managed to decipher it
Glad someone managed to decipher it
What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau
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Posted:
Hi Rozi, thanks for pointing that out.
I think it's all very good, what that Gadamer fellow said, about prejudices formed from our background. But perhaps he missed the bit where we change what those things in our background mean, and in the process become open minded (have our own mind with out the baggage).
I’ll go one step further. We don’t learn anything or move-on until we disappear those prejudices from our background.
cheers
Hi Rozi, thanks for pointing that out.
I think it's all very good, what that Gadamer fellow said, about prejudices formed from our background. But perhaps he missed the bit where we change what those things in our background mean, and in the process become open minded (have our own mind with out the baggage).
I’ll go one step further. We don’t learn anything or move-on until we disappear those prejudices from our background.
cheers
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Posted:
punk begat indie.
indie begat mod.
mod met glam and begat em0.
Now you know what an emo is.
Written by: Gnor
Now I know what an emo is anyway
punk begat indie.
indie begat mod.
mod met glam and begat em0.
Now you know what an emo is.
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Pooh-Bah
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Posted:
Yeah, I get what what _kevlar_ is talking about, even if it did take him a while to articulate it
I agree too. People can be open minded and completely intolerant, just not on the same subject. However they might be both on similar issues. That's often the cause of some arguments, that the person thought his/her opponent was addressing something on which they hold strong values when in fact the other person was trying to get across a slightly yet crucially different point. I'm sure you all know what I mean... kind of...
Damn, now I'm the incoherent one!
Yeah, I get what what _kevlar_ is talking about, even if it did take him a while to articulate it
I agree too. People can be open minded and completely intolerant, just not on the same subject. However they might be both on similar issues. That's often the cause of some arguments, that the person thought his/her opponent was addressing something on which they hold strong values when in fact the other person was trying to get across a slightly yet crucially different point. I'm sure you all know what I mean... kind of...
Damn, now I'm the incoherent one!
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
really...?
i always understood it that ska music and bands like the who begat the mods.
i know for certain that mods predated punks anyway.
cole. x
Written by: Dut
indie begat mod.
really...?
i always understood it that ska music and bands like the who begat the mods.
i know for certain that mods predated punks anyway.
cole. x
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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
coming to a country near you
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Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia
Posted:
all i know is that video killed the radio star.
i'm way to young and careless to know recent musical history.
all i know is that video killed the radio star.i'm way to young and careless to know recent musical history.
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what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
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Location: Bali, Australia
Posted:
The original mods were around in the early 60's. Long duffle coats, sharp clothes, pointy toe shoes, and vespas. Listened to Manfred Mann and the Who. Used to fight rockers (rock n roll greaser boys on bikes) Before Hippies.
Mighta been new 'mods' since then but that;s just the great culture wheel turning the compost round a few times to recycle stuff.
This is all totally
but hey I'm old enough to remember this stuff so I may as well share the good times eh.
Meanwhile NYC I am also waiting for your middle aged black spinner group to turn up! Meantime I'm an approaching elderly white spinner mummy who likes hangin with the kiddies. I think emos are totally cute. *Baby bats* Gita calls them
The original mods were around in the early 60's. Long duffle coats, sharp clothes, pointy toe shoes, and vespas. Listened to Manfred Mann and the Who. Used to fight rockers (rock n roll greaser boys on bikes) Before Hippies.
Mighta been new 'mods' since then but that;s just the great culture wheel turning the compost round a few times to recycle stuff.
This is all totally
but hey I'm old enough to remember this stuff so I may as well share the good times eh. Meanwhile NYC I am also waiting for your middle aged black spinner group to turn up! Meantime I'm an approaching elderly white spinner mummy who likes hangin with the kiddies. I think emos are totally cute. *Baby bats* Gita calls them
.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....
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Location: London, UK
Carpal \'Tunnel
6,942 posts
Location: London, UK
Posted:
ok having read through a lot of interpretations of (originally) what i said i suppose i should try and clarify what i meant.
when i say tolerence i ment actions - many actions get described as intolerent but that doesnt mean that the person perpetrating the action was close-minded
i think a better way of saying what i meant is hearing but not listening... sorry....
my actual point was a responce to Eera who paraphrased some thread titles:
(PS this **is** a direct quote)
my point was while some of these views may be described as in tolerent that doesnt mean that the people expressing these views are close-minded. the fact that they created a thread to discuss these matters would show that they are in fact the opposite and keen to hear other people's views on the subjects
it is things like this that medusa was refering to (i hope) - many hoppers do have strong beliefs - some of which are very contary to what you may expect or believe yourself as a result many hoppers will make off colour jokes (just try talking to me for about 10 min) **but** we dont let the beliefs and pre conceptions that drive these jokes cloud our judgement on an individual level
hope that makes sence and ill try and be back sooner to defend my view (you know its right) rather than let _kevlarsoul_ do it for me ... though he(?) did do much better than i probably would have
ok having read through a lot of interpretations of (originally) what i said i suppose i should try and clarify what i meant.
when i say tolerence i ment actions - many actions get described as intolerent but that doesnt mean that the person perpetrating the action was close-minded
i think a better way of saying what i meant is hearing but not listening... sorry....
my actual point was a responce to Eera who paraphrased some thread titles:
Written by: Eera
Are twirlers open minded? Hmmm, let's have a think back to a few threads recently:
"Anyone who hunts is a scumbag"
"Anyone who voted for John Howard is a moron"
"Bush is the epitome of evil and those who put him there are worthless worms"
These aren't direct quotes but rather give the gist of a few mildly offensive statements the last few months.
(PS this **is** a direct quote
)my point was while some of these views may be described as in tolerent that doesnt mean that the people expressing these views are close-minded. the fact that they created a thread to discuss these matters would show that they are in fact the opposite and keen to hear other people's views on the subjects
it is things like this that medusa was refering to (i hope) - many hoppers do have strong beliefs - some of which are very contary to what you may expect or believe yourself as a result many hoppers will make off colour jokes (just try talking to me for about 10 min) **but** we dont let the beliefs and pre conceptions that drive these jokes cloud our judgement on an individual level
hope that makes sence and ill try and be back sooner to defend my view (you know its right
) rather than let _kevlarsoul_ do it for me ... though he(?) did do much better than i probably would have back
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Pooh-Bah
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Pooh-Bah
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom
Posted:
I am a he, but dude I really didn't do that great a job
I agree with what you've said above, although I do feel that sometimes people make a thread about something just to vent rather than discuss it... I'm guilty as anyone on that front.
I am a he, but dude I really didn't do that great a job
I agree with what you've said above, although I do feel that sometimes people make a thread about something just to vent rather than discuss it... I'm guilty as anyone on that front.
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lurker
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Location: Nashville, TN, USA
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380 posts
Location: Nashville, TN, USA
Posted:
ska's too hard to keep track of. it keeps coming back too many times. is Jungle considered 4th Wave Ska yet? i'm confused. lol.
but yeah, i meant second wave mods i guess. "begat" is used for biblical humour alone.
Written by: coleman
really...?
i always understood it that ska music and bands like the who begat the mods.
i know for certain that mods predated punks anyway.
cole. x
ska's too hard to keep track of. it keeps coming back too many times. is Jungle considered 4th Wave Ska yet? i'm confused. lol.
but yeah, i meant second wave mods i guess. "begat" is used for biblical humour alone.
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