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doctor_fandangoGOLD Member
co-director of A.C.B.I.S.H.A.
761 posts
Location: in the corner beside the filing cabinets, 2nd floo...


Posted:
i know some of you have noticed my lack of posting on hop over the past week(or maybe my head is just swelling!). there is actually a serious and very disturbing reason for this. i learned last week that my brother suddenly and completely unexpectedly killed himself in australia. he had been living there for the past year and a half, doing his phd in neuropharmacology. any time i spoke to him he sounded so excited about every day and he was loving the time he spent there. he had met a girl a few months ago and they were so happy together, they were going to buy a house together and they were talking about getting married.

my head is still a little all over the place, but i have the support of my friends ,wonderful girlfriend and my family to keep me going.

he will be returned home on sunday evening, with his girlfriend and 3 of his greatest friends, and after a short stay in our home he will be buried on tuesday.

if you are reading this mesage and you have any sympathies for me or my family please keep us all in your thoughts on tuesday morning (12:00 gmt) the time of the funeral mass.

There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1,

"in most of our friends we're the hippies. but we have hippie friends of our own.. its like a dog having its own pet" - H. Sinoquet 19-03-2005


_Clare_BRONZE Member
Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
Hello Barry

Have been thinking about you all week...

I'm so very sorry for what you've been going through.

You are such a wonderful, warm and loving friend and it's awful to see you in such pain.

You know we are all here for you to do what we can, limited as that may be.

There is no explanation for why your brother did this. It is a sad loss of a precious life, and the only thing that will help your family deal with this is time.

I love you lots Dr Fandango... you and Helene are so strong and good for each other - rely on her for the support she will undoubtably give you.

Take care... I'll be thinking of you (we all will)... and I'll see you sometime.

With my deepest sympathies
Clare xx

Getting to the other side smile


doctor_fandangoGOLD Member
co-director of A.C.B.I.S.H.A.
761 posts
Location: in the corner beside the filing cabinets, 2nd floo...


Posted:
'You are such a wonderful, warm and loving friend and it's awful to see you in such pain.' thats exactly what anyone would have said to alan.(so my mam says as she reads your message over my shoulder wink.

mam says...
'thank you for your message, for being in touch with us.'

There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1,

"in most of our friends we're the hippies. but we have hippie friends of our own.. its like a dog having its own pet" - H. Sinoquet 19-03-2005


MikeGinnyGOLD Member
HOP Mad Doctor
13,925 posts
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA


Posted:
I don't even know what to say.

So I'm going to do the only thing I can do from this remote place called "my keyboard." I'm going to post a hug smiley.

Because that's the ony thing I can do. frown

hug

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


_Clare_BRONZE Member
Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)


Posted:
Take each day as it comes Barry, we're all thinking about you.

Getting to the other side smile


newgabeSILVER Member
what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
4,030 posts
Location: Bali, Australia


Posted:
Indeed our hearts are with you... I was thinking about this today when I was in a very beautiful peaceful place here, and sent you some love from Australia....
Your brother seemed to have so much to live for. Do we know he really took his own life, not an accident of some sort? (you don't have to answer that, it's probably horribly insensitive of me even to ask...) Whatever has happened, you know there will be prayers with you on Tuesday...

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....


PhaerieBRONZE Member
veteran
1,240 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
grouphug so much love coming to you from hoppers all around the globe.

so many hug's for you and your family for the now.

Only when you close your eyes can you really see...


doctor_fandangoGOLD Member
co-director of A.C.B.I.S.H.A.
761 posts
Location: in the corner beside the filing cabinets, 2nd floo...


Posted:
cheers doc :hug-received-&-a-big-1-right-back-atcha:



newgabe, thanks for the love & thoughts. its not insensitive to be curious. the same questions went screaming thru my mind"maybe it was an accident?,maybe it wasnt him...". it was no accident, he had taken a bottle of poison from his lab and mixed it with vodka. with his studies and years of experience with the subject in college, he knew exactly what he was doing. it was a VERY hard fact to come to terms with. he was 30 years old and he lived every day to the full. dad says he was 30 going on 85! mam says that he spent his 30 years here with us and god needed him back for something..



thank you all for your love and sympathy!

There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1,

"in most of our friends we're the hippies. but we have hippie friends of our own.. its like a dog having its own pet" - H. Sinoquet 19-03-2005


KyrianDreamer
4,308 posts
Location: York, England


Posted:
hug As mike said, I can't do more... but you'll be in my thoughts.

Keep your dream alive
Dreamin is still how the strong survive

Shalom VeAhavah

New Hampshire has a point....


stano3bGOLD Member
journeyman
59 posts
Location: (SVK) - Slovakia


Posted:
on tuesday at 12.00 i'll be praying for you, for your whole family and especially for your brother +

hug

...can you speak poi?


Fine_Rabid_DogInternet Hate Machine
10,530 posts
Location: They seek him here, they seek him there...


Posted:
hug hug2

Like Lightning said, thats all I've got mate.

Stay strong.

Tuesday, 12, you have my love and support smile

The existance of flamethrowers says that someone, somewhere, at sometime said "I need to set that thing on fire, but it's too far away."


doctor_fandangoGOLD Member
co-director of A.C.B.I.S.H.A.
761 posts
Location: in the corner beside the filing cabinets, 2nd floo...


Posted:
thanks for your love lads, i know that its going to take a LONG time to come to terms with whats realy going on. but we have alan back now with us. i have shed countless tears but its just so fantrastic to have my big brother back with me. i can talk to him and ask him all the questions i have, i know he cant answer me, but i can hear him in my head. seeing him layed out in a coffin in my sitting room is so hard. but at the same time i am so f***ing releaved thet he is here. he is so peaceful. i guess(thats all i can do at this stage) that he is at rest now, whatever trouble was going thru his mind when he decided to take his own life is gone now and he can truly rest in peace. my other 2 brothers, gav and paul are here with me and i have met alan's girlfriend , karin, i never thought i would meet her under these circumstances, but thats the way things work out sometimes.

i want to thank evryone on hop that has been thinkiong of me and my family (and extended family at this time). and incidentaly, if anyone knows anyone that has any skills in reiki, send as much energy as you can,we need all we can get at this time.
thanks again
Dr. F

There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1,

"in most of our friends we're the hippies. but we have hippie friends of our own.. its like a dog having its own pet" - H. Sinoquet 19-03-2005


newgabeSILVER Member
what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
4,030 posts
Location: Bali, Australia


Posted:
meditate meditate meditate meditate meditate heart meditate meditate meditate meditate meditate

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....


Helen_of_PoiSILVER Member
lapsed spinner
412 posts
Location: Dublin, Ireland


Posted:
hug

I don't really know what to say to you Barry, except that i'm thinking of you. You may or may not be aware that i have lost people close to me also, including a friend who decided for reasons unknown to end his life two years ago. I will never understand why, i just try to respect his decision, knowing that he was an intelligent and good person, who must have had his reasons.

There's not much more i can say, except that i'll be there tomorrow, to give you a hug in person. In the meantime, look after yourself, and lean on all around you who love you and are there to support you.

Helen_of_Poi

EJC Ireland 2006 Organisational Team


SkulduggeryGOLD Member
Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
8,428 posts
Location: Wales


Posted:
frown hug

Nothing can be said to make this any better for you. Grief is an odd creature. Let it unfold in its own time and own way. hug

I'll be thinking of you and sending you vibes of comfort and strength tomorrow. I hope you soon find a sense of peace.

Feed me Chocolate!!! Feed me NOW!


i8beefy2GOLD Member
addict
674 posts
Location: Ohio, USA


Posted:
I don't know you very well. Not even sure if I've ever spoken to you here. But I want to offer my condolences, as well as my e-mail if you would like to chat. mike@hallock.net

Two years ago, almost to the day, I lost my brother unexpectedly as well. The circumstances, especially, of such a death are usually very hard to deal with. Not only will I be thinking of you and your family tomorrow, but I will be traveling home to lay flowers on my brother gravesite for the anniversary of his death... Even now, suicide, anniversary of his death... these things are hard to type and not feel like they are somehow disrespectful to his memory.

We do what we can. My heart goes out to you and your family. Please feel free to e-mail me if you or your family want to chat, ask questions, or just unload and tell stories of rememberance. I know it helps...

hug hug hug hug hug

ValuraSILVER Member
Mumma Hen
6,391 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia


Posted:
Im so deeply saddened to hear this. Know in your heart that whatever questions you have asked your brother he will answer for you, and when he does you will know he is near you.
I have sent a whole lot of reiki to you and all your family and espically your brother.
hug hug hug hug

TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"


AdeSILVER Member
Are we there yet?
1,897 posts
Location: australia


Posted:
my thoughts are with you hug

mausBRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
4,191 posts
Location: Sihanoukville, cambodia


Posted:
frown hug
"say not in grief 'he is no more',but live in thankfulness that he was."
Hebrew Proverb

can't even beigin to imagine the effect this has had on you all.please forgive me for borrowing the words of others but they just seem so fitting.

He Is Gone

You can shed tears that he is gone,
Or you can smile because he lived.
You can close your eyes and pray that he will come back,
Or you can open your eyes and see all that he has left.

Your heart can be empty because you cannot see him
Or you it can be full of the love you shared,
You can turn your back on tomorrow and live yesterday,
Or you can be happy for tomorrow because of yesterday.

You can remeber him,and only that he has gone
Or you can cherish his memory and let it live on,
You can cry and close your mind and be empty and turn your
back,
Or you can do what he would want:smile,open your eyes,
love and go on.

Anonymous

so many thoughts are with you,and so much good energy being sent over to you.

angel hug angel

BirgitBRONZE Member
had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
4,145 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)


Posted:
Hey Barry hug

I'm so sorry to hear about your brother frown pm is on its way.

"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)

Owner of Dragosani's left half


linden rathenGOLD Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
6,942 posts
Location: London, UK


Posted:
hug

you have my thoughts ... thats all i can send hug

and you have been missed hug

back


squarefishSILVER Member
(...trusty steed of the rodeo midget...)
403 posts
Location: the state of flux, Ireland


Posted:
Hi doc,
I'm at home again for a couple of weeks, come on over any time you want,
Martin

doctor_fandangoGOLD Member
co-director of A.C.B.I.S.H.A.
761 posts
Location: in the corner beside the filing cabinets, 2nd floo...


Posted:
right. im going to start one to one counselling soon. i got the numbers for some very good berevement counsellors in dublin who are specified in suicide councelling. but before i do. this forum is still the easiest place i have to share my feelings. im gonna start writing my thoughts down in a book , like i did when i was going thru a very hard time a few years ago. anyways... i have one question, im sure someone will be able to help me with it. alot of people are saying that i shud get out and get active, 'get your mind off things'. but i cant think about my emotions , even when im not doing anything, if im sitting in the flat , i feel comfortable and dont realy want to do anything, i recon that might be the early stages of depresson. i have things to keep m,yselff busy, but i dont real want to! i want to come to terms ith the emotions im incapable of realising. am i fighting a losing battler and just wait 'till therapy starts?

There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1, There's no place like 127.0.0.1,

"in most of our friends we're the hippies. but we have hippie friends of our own.. its like a dog having its own pet" - H. Sinoquet 19-03-2005


TinklePantsGOLD Member
Clique Infiltrator, Cunning Linguist and Master Debator
4,219 posts
Location: Edinburgh burgh burrrrrr, United Kingdom


Posted:
Honey, the pain will never go away, it just gets easier to deal eventually as time passes.
Think about the times you enjoyed together, keeping his memory alive means he's not ever truly gone.
If you find yourself having a laugh with mates and suddenly feel guilty about feeling happy for a moment - dont be - just think about how your brother would enjoy the moment instead of getting depressed.
Share the fun memories with others who knew him instead of dwelling on his death.
Also, stay strong - your family needs you as much as you need them xxx
hug

Always use "so's your face" and "only on Tuesdays" in as many conversations possible


Adya MiriyanaGOLD Member
*slou?
6,554 posts
Location: Adelaide, Australia


Posted:
ohno.. this is the most terrible news.. ubbcrying

remember that there are so many people thinking of you and your family, and that he'll always be there too hug

BirgitBRONZE Member
had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
4,145 posts
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland (UK)


Posted:
Hey Barry hug

I think people are right to tell you and go out - hiding at home is bad, I did that when I was very unhappy and I nearly got stuck in the habit. It's only natural to feel like you do, but (and yet another phrase) your brother would have wanted you to go out and be happy, I'm sure.

If you don't want to think about how you feel, wait until you start councelling, but don't just hide away until then smile Talk to Helene and your friends and tell them to kick your arse to go out and do stuff even if you say you don't want to smile Hope you're feeling better soon hug2

"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)

Owner of Dragosani's left half


blu_valleySILVER Member
fluffy mess
197 posts
Location: Brighton, United Kingdom


Posted:
I mostly agree with the others, but you need more alone time with yourself to reflect and heal from within. Dont beat yourself up about not going out and keeping a bit more to yourself because this alone time is important..just make sure that it doesnt carry on for too long and that you dont cut the world out or anything, thats when it becomes a bad thing.

I know the feeling dude, same thing happened to me a few years ago.Take your time and dont let anyone else pressure you into thinking you feel something that you dont. Share your thoughts and fears with those closest to you, through this you will find some solace and learn to accept that you will never know the answers to the questions you have. Focus on all the beautiful things and you will find some peace.

My thoughts are with you.
Much love
hug

"I want to know if you can see beauty even when it's not pretty, every day,and if you can source your own life from its presence.." - Oriah Mountain Dreamer


GlitterBubbleSILVER Member
member
39 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
I am another one who has lost their brother, so I cried as soon as I started to read your message just now.

I lost mine 2 1/2 years ago in a car accident. He was 31. Different circumstances, but equally as sudden and unfair. Our families pain was at it's worst for around a year before it started to become a bit more bearable, but of course, it is always there.

I agree with your mum that he was needed for a higher purpose with God and the Angels. We say that too.

Sending you and your family heaps of love and big hugs hug

Cyndi

I love HOT chillies!

*me: Guess what? I'm learning how to eat fire!
*husband: well, you do love hot food.....


LazyAngelGOLD Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
2,895 posts
Location: Cambridge UK


Posted:
May peace soon be brought to the hearts and minds of all your family
hug

Because ActiveAngel sounds like a feminine deodorant

Like sex, I'm much more interesting in real life than online.

'Be the change you want to see in the world around you' - Ghandi


newgabeSILVER Member
what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
4,030 posts
Location: Bali, Australia


Posted:
Going out,staying in... whatever you do or wherever you are, it's likely that you are still living in a state of shock.. that can go on for ages, a numbness, a lack of engagement with things and activities around you. Some people manifest shock in lots of rushing around... others in a quieter way. If you feel comfortable at home, and gradually come to feel and do things more strongly.. fine...in some ways that is healthier in the long terms than rushing about...

Best wishes and thanks for letting us know what is happening with you.

.....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....


RyGOLD Member
Gromit's Humble Squire
4,496 posts
Location: Brisbane, Australia


Posted:
Hi Barry, I only just stumbled across this thread, and wanted to say I'm deeply sorry for your loss. A guy I worked with years ago jumped out the window of a six-storey apartment block and didn't survive. Never really liked the guy, but still felt something at the fact he decided to die. I can only imagine how it'd be to have it be someone close to you instead, and just the thought makes my heart ache. It's been a couple of months now, and though I'm sure it doesn't really make the pain hurt any less, I hope that maybe it's becoming easier to come to terms with it. My deepest sympathies to you and your family. hug

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