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Written by: ben-ja-menWritten by: jeff(fake)
If anyone is interested. If anyone is at all, just give me a concise description of your claims and we can work from there.
If you are genuinely interested in either proving or disproving ppls claims and are not being a troll then surely you are prepared to do the due diligence to prepare a scientific test? how can you possibly offer a valid insight on how to test for something if you have no understanding/background knowledge of what it is that is being tested? If you are the man of science that you claim you are and where going to do the equivalent to objectively prove or disprove the theory of relativity surely you would do the background reading first?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"Absence is to love what wind is to fire...it extinguishes the small, enkindles the great."
--Comte Debussy-Rebutin
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it. ~ Terry pratchett
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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Written by: ben-ja-menWritten by: robnunchucks
Also with your example of the blind man and the colour red. Yes while he wouldn't be able to visualise it but he could still prove wether or not someone could see the colour red without seeing it him self.
the point was more he would have the knowledge of the colour red but no understanding of it, it carries kind of the same value as wrote learning as while he could discuss at length topics to do with the colour red it would just be symbol manipulation with no attached understanding.
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Hoppers are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly.
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"I. The scientific method has four steps
1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena.
2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
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Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
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"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
--pogo (pat) [forever and always]
"Absence is to love what wind is to fire...it extinguishes the small, enkindles the great."
--Comte Debussy-Rebutin
"God *was* my co-pilot, but then we crashed, and I had to eat him..."
Written by: jeff(fake)
Well,
If anyone is willing to perform an open minded exploration of auras I would be willing to help.
Simply list exactly what your claims are and we can devise a few simple experimental tests to ascertain their validity. If that goes well we could build a few more in depth ones. If you wish to remain close minded to alternative possibilities that's your choice. If you wish to simply attack me that's your choice as well. If you want to call me close minded, ask yourself whether you really are open to the other possibilities first.
Written by: jeff(fake)
"If the follow ups were positive I would apply for Randi's prize, and certainly believe Valura's claim."
Written by: Valura
Are you saying YOU would apply for PROFIT from MY gift?
Written by: robnunchucks
ahh busted well spotted I had hoped not to use hop as I figured you might remember the posts unfortunately I couldn't find your surname anywhere so i had to resort to just the stuff on hop as it was a very old thread I hoped you’d forgotten by now if you've got someone’s full name its allot easier
of course its interesting to note I did learn allot about you in reading all your old threads
anyways perhaps you’d like to show me how it’s done properly? I’d be very interested to see what you can read from me
also if the navigation test is slightly inappropriate what about the curtain test where you detect people behind a curtain by there aura if of course you were aloud to approach and scan the person first before we put behind the curtain would that work?
Written by: jeff(fake)
Well,
If anyone is willing to perform an open minded exploration of auras I would be willing to help.
Simply list exactly what your claims are and we can devise a few simple experimental tests to ascertain their validity. If that goes well we could build a few more in depth ones. If you wish to remain close minded to alternative possibilities that's your choice. If you wish to simply attack me that's your choice as well. If you want to call me close minded, ask yourself whether you really are open to the other possibilities first.
Written by: ado-p
I can completely change reality with the power of my mind. I can’t prove it though
Written by: onewheeldave
Let me make this VERY CLEAR, cos I don't want to be falsley accused like Jeff has been-
I have not, and am not, saying that all mediums/energy healers are fake.
Written by: Valura
Dave do you think that some things said in this thread has turned into a bit of a personal attack on my abilities?
Written by: Dave
Personally, if we broadly split the ommenters of this thread into two groups- the 'believers' vs. the 'sceptics'; in all honesty, I've felt/seen more insults/attacks from individuals (not you Valura) in the believer’s camp.
Written by: Dave
My feelings of any kind of 'alternative spirituality' is that the highest benefit is that of making the practitioners better people- more objective, less hostile, more tolerant etc.
That, IMO, on this thread, has been lacking.
If, Jeff had been personally insulting, the appropriate response would not be for your friends/supporters to be insulting back (IMO).
Written by: Dave
Additionally, as an energy-healer, and one who obviously has committed a lot of time, thought and effort into her work, I would encourage you to not take suggestions for proof as personal attacks.
Written by: Dave
It's entirely up to you whether you wish to engage with such requests, but , to view them as personal attacks is, IMO, to misunderstand their intent.
To your credit, you have previously admitted that you don't have a good grasp of scientific method.
I'd also suggest that it would be useful for you to really try and get into the head of sceptical positions like Jeff.
Written by: Dave
As far as I can tell, he's been pretty sincere and reasonable- understanding that people like Jeff are not closed-minded bigots trying to bring down alternative views of reality, is going to be to the benefit of both parties.
Written by: Dave
And, to finish, to your credit Valura, despite, IMO, taking some things too personally, you've shown a fair bit of restraint and been honest and objective; more so than some of the people defending/supporting you.
Written by: ado-p
Jeff, that’s not fair. Not wanting to do things your way is not being closed minded. It might simply mean that people don’t want to do things your way. Which is ok really...
Not everyone needs proof the way you do dude... and I don’t think its being nice to label us closed minded because we don’t submit to your ideas.
I believe in many things. I would be happy to have someone come up with a test that could prove them. But I don’t need it. I don’t believe any less because those tests haven’t been done on me and on top of that, I am willing to keep exploring to see how much I can see.
This does not make me closed minded except in the eyes of those who label me so.
TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
Written by: ValuraWritten by: Dave
As far as I can tell, he's been pretty sincere and reasonable- understanding that people like Jeff are not closed-minded bigots trying to bring down alternative views of reality, is going to be to the benefit of both parties.
As far as I can tell, he's been pretty sincere and reasonable- hmmm I don't totally agree there He has said some things about my personal subconscious state and my abilities that I find rather rude.;
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Written by: ValuraWritten by: onewheeldave
Let me make this VERY CLEAR, cos I don't want to be falsley accused like Jeff has been-
I have not, and am not, saying that all mediums/energy healers are fake.
Matey what has Jeff been falsely accused of?
Written by: Valura
I do acknowledge that this has helped me grow, but to be very blunt, only since you have helped to defuse the situation.
Perhaps if others could write as objectively as you these misunderstandings wouldn't have happened in the first place.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Written by: Birgit
What some people here are saying comes down to, just because "scientists" (representative for people who can't see/feel/etc auras and other spiritual concepts) don't have a perception of auras doesn't mean they still exist.
Fair enough. So we need to develop better instruments to measure auras. But what if they don't exist? We can try making new machines as much as we want, and they'll still not show up. It would be like trying to design a machine that shows the people following a paranoid, or to show the dirt on the hands of someone with OCD. We know synaesthesia exists, but the only way to "prove" that is to work with the people who have it and are willing to share their experience. And then, it still doesn't work for anyone else.
Auras don't compare to love, just as they don't compare to anger, hate, happiness, any of these. True, we don't understand enough of the brain to explain a lot of things yet. Auras may like synaesthesia or paranoia be something that some people perceive and others cannot - this is without evaluation, I'm not saying synaesthetics need therapy or paranoia is good or anything like that, just that some people's brains work, for whatever reasons, different than others'. Maybe one day, we might be able to measure brain waves in a way that will show the people following paranoids. If we can do that, does that mean they exist?
And even with feelings, there are people who cannot perceive them. Take Aspergers, where people cannot read others' feelings well or at all, or take psychopaths who do not have the concept of "wrong" and "right" the average human has.
Strangely enough, when I encounter a blind person who cannot perceive anything with their eyes, I will try and help them. Not say "you just don't want to see it", or "stop being so closed-minded." I wouldn't wait for them to run into an obstacle and then say "well, that's because you're not in touch with your visuality". Similarly, with a deaf person, I'd try and find a way of talking to their face so they can lip-read or write down things I can't get them to understand. You get the idea.
So, to reverse the argument, why should it be up to people with a scientific mind to prove something they cannot perceive (* see end of this)? Why, if spirituality and auras are important to you, do you not try and do all you can to make others see them, how they can benefit from them, and how beautiful they are? If there was something I knew that I think could help a lot of people, I like to think I'd do my best to go out there and show them.
Fair enough, if people don't want to be "experimented on" - don't. But don't go telling those like me that are willing to believe that things outside our perception MAY exist, that we need to get in touch with our spirituality and all that. If you are right, and you can perceive auras while others can't, you should be seeing yourselves as extremely blessed and possibly try and share it, or at least realise that it's not just down to "wanting to believe".
(* - yes, it IS the job of a scientist to prove things they cannot perceive. But there is a limit to this, for example the "subjects", in this case people who say they are able to see auras, being unwilling to participate. You need a basis for an experiment. To go back to the other example, you can't prove the existence of bacteria in a 100% sterile environment, or the effects of a drug against cancer in a healthy person.)
rant over
TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"
Love is the law.
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
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Written by: mcp
but I think that must be a slight tendency to OCD.
"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
(G.W. Dahlquist)
Owner of Dragosani's left half
"the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
I spunked in my friend's aquarium and the fish ate it. I love all fish. Especially the pink ones. They are my bitches. - Anon.
Walls may have ears but they don't have eyes
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