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FacelessjokerBRONZE Member
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Location: Exeter, United Kingdom


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Right now im so incredibley sad.
So far in the past three days ive heard six stories of murder and one of a fight between two guys who tried to kill each other. (Using acid and an axe!!) eek
Last night i turned on the radio in my car and nearly cried. The headlines were: The war on Iraq, the micheal Jackson trial and a story about a bunch of kids who pretended to be friends with a boy then killed him frown
If its not bullies killing their victims it a husband butchering his wife frown frown Or a never ending political debate over something that could have been resolved by now.
Wheres the good news?
All of it makes me want to close my eyes and disappear. My work mate and I started talking about all this. We also got talking about how politicians are screwing us over and how the emphasis on money has made everything so messed up.
Its getting to the point where im actually trying to avoid the news and all political or social debates because my head wants to explode with sadness.
I hate looking around at society because it makes me so ashamed to be growing up in it! And i cant believe CHILDREN are getting away with bullying an killing and all this horrible stuff with only a few years in jail. Example, The kids mentioned before who pretended to be friends with a 16 year old were also 16. They decided to kill him because of rumours he wanted to go out with a girlfriend of one of the killers. They chased him and killed him with sythes (sp?) and laughed in court when this was described. They got 13 years. Now some people may think this is an ok sentance but i really dont considering their reactions in court. I cant believe the way the justice system works. I cant believe any of this at all. frown frown frown frown

Sorry, Im trying not to go off into a rant so thats all im saying.
Does anyone else ever get like this??

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This is why I don't watch the News much. It just depresses me.

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same grouphug

They main philosophy behind the news media is that "if it bleeds, it leads".

So don't worry, there is good stuff going on,u just have to look for it urself. Dont rely on those unemotinal gits. Look for happiness ur self hug2

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ben-ja-menGOLD Member
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sadly i think until theres a major change to the basis of society and the beliefs and values that it passes on to its children things will only get worse frown also why i dont watch the news

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ben-ja-menGOLD Member
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Written by: Pigeon_Wigeon


scary movies get more and more bloody and more and more graphic as time goes on and society become de sensitised.. this is why theres more killing. A guy in America watched "Natural born killers" like 10 times and went and murdered his step mother and step sister... not normal behaviour yet the people in the movie got away with it thus he thought he could to. Violence in the media does have an effect on people..... sorry about that... media student...




call me crazy but i think the movie would have simply been a trigger to a much deeper seeded problem

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i wrote a viloence inthe media piece for a project. I mentioned the idea about movies affecting the common sense or sanity... but to be honest, over the centuries, we havn't changed much...Romans had their gladiatlorial games, we have movies like gladiator, and Battle Royal (the first one, not that crappy requiem). The only difference is that the death is not real, but some guys, like the natural born killers blokey, cannot tell the differenc between the reality of the movie, and the reality of his own life. Its all about perspective. Its usaly the guys that are psychologically disturbed that have difficulty with the differences of reality...

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GothFrogetteBRONZE Member
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the kids should know the difference between a doll and another person though. i know the bobo doll one well and others and can see where they are coming from, but if the kids need to know where the boundries are. eg its ok to puch a pillow if your angry but not your brother. i think the main problem is when these boundries are not set or are let slip and as soon as that happens things get worse. as with films, computer games etc the kids should be taught that its not real and its not acceptable in real life. its just a story / is fiction.
With the whole kids thing i there are many reasons why they are doing these things, from family problems to dietry nedds but thats not the point of the thread.
but i watch the news once a day, to keep informed of whats going on and yes it makes me cry, hug my kids and never want to let them out again, even if they are with friends. frown frown

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saying that my oldest saw some kung fu type movie and then looked at how they actually train etc, like the S Monks

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_Clare_BRONZE Member
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I think it is the responsibility of the news to as-honestly-as-possible report current events.

The world only appears to be getting worse because we have better and more up-to-date technology and can report it 'as it happens'.



Don't forget, when Titanic sunk, most people didn't know about it for a week or two afterwards... compare that with a tragedy like 9/11, which was practically broadcast live. If we see it happening, it strikes us harder.



The world is full of terrible things, but also beautiful things, and it's up to you to find the balance.

We have to be informed (because otherwise our politicians can get away with anything), so do watch the news.

It's ok to feel sad at the ugly things, because the alternative is to become hardened and then you won't appreciate the beauty.



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GothFrogetteBRONZE Member
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lol i can't do the horse stance for very long, i'm a wuss, well not unless you count getting jelly legs as being good at it,

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offtopic .... but meh, it is social chat.

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Bubbles_SILVER Member
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i jus wanna add my point of view that society is becoming softer on children, a teacher is too worried about telling a child off, punishments are nearly non-existent compared to when we were younger, cant protect yourself from violence because you might get blamed for harm etc (i mean in like self defence and being robbed). all these count towards the younger generations pushing the limits more because they are more likely to get away with it. when i was younger i would never swear at an adult, or hit someone because i would get hit back etc
i hope this makes sense cause i cant think of the right way of saying this.

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rhe scareyiist thing is that parents expect schools to teach their kids discipline and values these are important lessons which should should not be palmed off.

BirgitBRONZE Member
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Hmmm. Actually, since there is so much crap going on in the world, I don't mind if it's shown on tv or talked about on the radio. If they didn't I'd get a very strong feeling of "how can they ignore all the stuff that's happening?"

What I'm really angry about is when in addition to all the true problems people exaggerate with no end. It seems to be quite fashionable in Britain; apparently (according to Radio 1) over 20 % of children say they don't want to play outside because they're scared of terrorism. Now, aside from terrorists probably not having parks and playgrounds as a main target and most British cities and towns being quite uninteresting to them, how do they get that idea? Every day people have stuff on the radio or tv increasing "awareness" of things in a way that makes me wonder if there's not enough problems already. My favourite one was along the lines of "It's nice and sunny today. The government has issued a warning because of UV and skin cancer." It should've been: "It's nice and sunny today. Children, go out and play and have fun while it lasts, cause summers here usually don't, and remember the sunscreen" or something like that!

I do wonder about how people kill their schoolmates about things like girls and mobile phones though. And being stricter about knives won't help much, if they want to kill each other they will do after school. I know lots of schools including all I ever went to where many kids had knives with them regularly and noone ever got hurt. So although I'm not saying laws should be less strict it's not the knives that are to blame, and they can discuss controls, legislation etc as long as they want, and it won't do much good.

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FacelessjokerBRONZE Member
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Location: Exeter, United Kingdom


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Pigeon_wigeon
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sorry about that... media student...




ubblol I used to do media in college
so this....

Written by:

scary movies get more and more bloody and more and more graphic as time goes on and society become de sensitised.




Sounds familliar. An example is creep. Have you seen that movie? :S its nasty.

Im of the opinion, like be ja min, that movies ect are a trigger for something else. If you have a psychological problem its hard to control. Anger is a perfect and common example. Yeah alot of people who end up killing because of what they see have deeper prolems. But for simplicities sake anger is an ok example. Its just whether you can control yourself or not.

Im glad gothfrogette mentioned computer games. I saw an ad for a game once and it consisted of explosion scenes with the words "blow it up... blow it up some more" and that was about it. I thought :O what?? I worry because kids might re-enact things they see or do in games thinking it wont hurt the other person. My worry is mostly for the little kids though i presume older kids have the sense but there are the exceptions...
I remember when i saw farenhieght 9/11 and seeing the ad for joining up was portrayed as a computer game. Maybe the advertises had innocent intentions thinking that using the idea of a game would attract people, because the most of the generation they were targeting were the biggest buyers in computer games ect. But someone is goign to think that war is just a game and thats disturbing.

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now I'm in 6th form I get year 7's all the way up to Yr 11's pushing me and giving me lip. They do it to the teachers aswell..




I know exactly what you mean. I finished college in sept and still would never think of swearing at adults. When i was in yr7 i was even terrified of the yr8s. But there are younger kids in my village who are happy to yell things at me and throw stuff at my car (grumble grumble).
Wasnt there a story about a teacher being sent to court for telling off a kid? I cant believe kids can use that threat and then actually DO IT!
I think that when i wrote the post i was mostly concerned with the next generations because, imo, society is declinig so quickly. I just dont want to be around when we blow each other up. The law that was created to prevent hitting was good an all. I agree that hitting with the intent to hurt is wrong but what about dissapline? IM not saying hit your kid everytime they do somethign wrong but, ok example (again) a woman i know has a kid with ADHD adn she cannot control him. She can shout until her lungs burst but wont even do that. He just doesnt listen to his mom. Its now at the point where if anything HE hits here, and hes like 7 or 8! The things i hear out of that little boys mouth :O I know that an extreme example, but thats the way it looks like the world is going.

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Wow I was quoted.. I'm never quoted... I'm honoured I truely am!!!



(look, its happened again) I only get quoted if I say smething really dumb. It hurts my soul tongue

I use to be terrified of the year Im in (yr 11/block 1) but now, the entire year below is so cocky it makes my head hurt. And there all so damn tiny u cud step on them biggrin ubblol

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NateBRONZE Member
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Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England


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as parents get more lax about boundries like age restrictions on games etc the next generation get desensitised to it at an earlier age, everyone knows kids are alot more prone to copying adults or people they see doing things.

i think the genius that wrote battle royale had the right idea of how society is being shaped

for anyone who hasnt seen it, go and see it, infact buy it. its set in the not so distant future in japan, and there is a law passed called battle royale, and its that every year a class full of teenagers get put on a deserted island and are told to kill each other, fight for their survival. this law was passed because of the kids dissrespecting the adults...........very vague details on the film but you get the gyst of it

but yeh i just thought he had exactly the right inturpretation of where the next generation are heading.

pigeon_wigeon i know what you mean by the gang of 20 or more people aswell......walking down the middle of town in exeter on a saturday night, now thats scary

a while ago in the express and echo there was an article on one neighborhood in exeter where there were gangs of "youths" going around vandalising cars, smashing windows. and they actually had to put policemen on some of the streets as security for the general public. we're not talking about gangs of just over 16's either, there were under 10's included in these gangs......isnt that f***ing insane?

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_Clare_BRONZE Member
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Do you think this has anything to do with how children are being brought up?

Do you think that manners and general social etiquette still forms a part of parental responsibility?



There is no sarcasm in these questions (a change for me!), but I do believe that the parents of these children (in many cases people currently in their late 20s and 30s) just don't understand basic good manners and respect themselves, and so do not teach it to their children... leading to spoilt, selfish and disrespectful children lacking in even the most basic social skills (evidenced in the vandalism, yobboism... etc)



It's this whole desperate 'i want my child to have everything I never had' attitude, leading the child to believe he/she can take anything he doesn't get.



Of course, the flipside is that every person over 10 years old can work out the difference between right and wrong for themselves, and I'm certainly not trying to excuse their bad behaviour by 'blaming the parents'... tis just a thought biggrin

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NateBRONZE Member
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id say its on the parents shoulders a reasonable amount of the time

but some parents really do try teaching basic manners etc and their children dont listen

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_Clare_BRONZE Member
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But Nate, if the children don't listen to their parents then that is a problem with respect...

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NateBRONZE Member
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if the children dont listen to their parents in my eyes its the superstars of our world today who influence how they act

the p[eople who they admire and look up to

those people and their friends

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Freud (i think it was him) said that a kid is "programmed" by his/her parents form the age of 0-7. If the kid is treated nicley and is taught manners and what wrong and right is from an ear;y age, he'll come thro alright.

The scary thin about freuds theorey is that he believes that even are morals are programmes in in that time period. I always thought that morals was learnt form ur own mistakes, not ur parents telling u that things are naughty and nice...

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I really hope I am able to raise my kids to have more respect than that.

FacelessjokerBRONZE Member
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No i would think your right.
My sister is a disrespetful little bitch but its prolly something to do with the fact that at the age she learnt to walk talk be aware ect she had stressy 14 yr old me to deal with. And now shes learning to communicate ect shes got stressy 13 yr old no. 2 (my bro) to deal with. So shes prolly just taken on a defensive barrier to fight back when we yell at everyone. (in the stressy teenage way) hehe.

If i have kids the most important thing im going to drive into them is respect, ill make them say please and thankyou. They will pronounce their T's and TH's correctly. But more likely than not ill be happy to avoid the anguish of all this and not have kids hehe.

I agree with Nate too. The role models these kids have are the worst imo. They get what they want and show it off and the sex OH MY GOD! dont get me started on the inuendos they have in videos of most pop stars.

I think that, society has become so individualistic we forget about everyone else around us therefore we forget the manners. The dog eat dog attitude of most people is being imprinted onto the children. People are more involved with working to become the best or get more money or whatever. Parents are more likely to go back to work and leave their kids in care which means that they have less time to teach the fundamentals to children. The children are getting the message that other people (even the kids) are not as important as your work and so the basic respect is forgotten because there is less communication between the parent and child.
Ive lost what i was trying to say now dammit hmm.....

FacelessjokerBRONZE Member
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I love psychology, id do it again biggrin
Indeed bowlby did an experiment. that makes me think though.... Other research found that children who are left in care longer will develop better social skills. And atkinson found that children who are in care have insecure attachments to their parents (something along those lines at least) which means they are more likely to be problematic later on in life. So maybe, all these little kids had insecure attachments because the parent had less time for them and they are now just rebelling against the parents and are attention seeking?
this is just my trail of thought. biggrin i feel clever hehe

FacelessjokerBRONZE Member
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Case studies were hard going *nods*
I feel harsh for blaming the parents so much. SO instead i blame MTV!!! Its giving kids short attention spans so they forget to listen to the lectures by their parents on manners.
bad habits indeed.
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shrug I watch MTV quite alot, and Im ok. I als watch kerrang and Q, and other stuff like that, and Im still poliite and good mannered and un-nasty and not cocky etc. What I really hate is people who blame the behaviour of my generation on fecking society. Tis bollox! It is the parents who are messing up, wether they mean to or not.

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_Clare_BRONZE Member
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This is why people have to accept a certain amount of responsibility for their own behaviour... certainly parents and role models (such as they are), can take some of the responsibility... but even when I was in the throws of a teenage strop (which I unfortunately still do at 26 biggrin), I still knew it was wrong and that my behaviour was unacceptable - even if pride wouldn't let me admit it.

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NateBRONZE Member
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hrmmm, some very interesting points and theorys are being brought up in this thread.....makes a very interesting read everytime i log on smile

i think if a child is an only child he/she stands a better chance of being bought up properly, as faceless said she blames her lil sisters mood on how other siblings are acting around her, also if the child is the only one in the family the parents have more time to spend with him/her and are probably more likely to eventually teach them how to respect people etc.

however a llonely childhood can change a persons life later........meh i dont know

parents, mtv, siblings.....DIEEEEEEEE

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spritieSILVER Member
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Firepoise, if you know a strop is wrong, why still do it when you are older?

I couldn't find a definition of the word, but I am assuming it is something similar to a temper tantrum? If so, have you found that people react to one well? Are they productive for you?

This is just something that's been on my mind since you posted your comments. Sorry, I probably should have made my reply sooner.

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hmmm...could your sister possibly LIKE making you mad? I know I've dumped a couple guys because they actually enjoyed pissing me off. Why? Because I apparently react well confused

Maybe to her, getting you mad is the only way that she can see you definitely care about her? I'm just speculating here, but basically trying to understand this phenemon since it apparently appears quite often in society.

Does anyone have an explanation for why some people seemingly thrive on pissing others off?

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