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Doc Lightning
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Posted:This line is from Europe's proposed Constitution:

1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.

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Posted:I think there's many more reasons than that Mike! wink And not just Europe, either! tongue

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Posted:Plus they have a serious lacking of Bush over there...
I can't really talk for either though, I'm Canadian, and all we have is alot of snow...and 0 scene for spinning.


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Posted:The question is, how will this spirit of egalitarian tolerance and freedom of religious, political and cultural thought correlate with some of the religious and political problems which face some European countries? For example, what will this ruling make of the French government's banning of public wearing of religious symbols in the interests of upholding the state secularity started with Napoleon? Though this affects all religions equally, it could still potentially be seen as violating the aforementioned clause.

And how about the (I think it is German, please correct me if I am wrong) law that makes denying the Holocaust illegal? A historian was recently sued successfully on this very law, which could be seen as an indictment of certain political views. I'm not saying I support any of these opinions, but I just propose them as potential problems facing the new constitution.


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Posted:

Just because it isnt permited, doesnt mean it isnt going to happen.

But at least there arent many americans in europe


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Posted:Yes, And all that's jazz, it is a German law that forbids that. We also forbid wearing of fascist symbols and possession of Hitler-memorabilia, something Britain was considering for about half an hour after Prince Harry's party appearance last month.

It's a nice bit of constitution, but even if it gets passed I can't see some of it happening, like countries with a very religious orientation allowing gay marriage, or equal payment for men and women in all job sectors in all countries (stops rant now cause there'll be so many more things that won't happen that I wouldn't get myself to start working today if I listed them all).

But yeah, it's a good plan and at least gives people the legal background to take action against discrimination, and even if it's going to take years and years to get some of it to work (if that'll happen at all) it's better than not trying...


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Posted:Indeed, it's not a wonder law that'll solve all our problems and make everyone equal and play together like nice children. But if you don't do something you'll never do anything.



And at least we don't write discrimination into our laws like many countries do.



The French law is interesting as it's arguably not discrimination - it's aim is to work towards true integration, tolerance and equality between all. A very brave move and one I'm interesting in seeing the long term outcome.



Oh, and we have better food, some of which is actually illegal in the US!


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Posted:Bwahahaha, I know it's off-topic, but what better food does the UK have than the US except for imported European chocolate? *ducks and hides*

Now, more seriously, which European foods are illegal in the US?


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Posted:haggis eek

(properly made haggis at any rate)


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Posted:actually, I have to disagree on the food thing - but it depends on where in the US and what type...

I will agree that chinese food is generally better in europe.

japanese and mexican food are far superior in the USA.

indian and thai are about the same.

and Pizza - european pizza sucks - though you can get an exceptable one in some places. and I am talking real pizza - not that fast food dominoes or pizza hut crap. and yes I know Italy is supposed to have the best pizza on earth, but you know what, that is just plain wrong.

fresh produce is usually better in the states too, though europe can come close during the late summer months. Neith place can hold a candle to fine quality and very cheap fruit juices of south africa though.

What is so completely better in europe it isn't even funny is public transit. American mass tranit sucks totally.

I prefer american toilets though - actually the japanese have the best toilets.

europeans doors and windows are generally superior to american ones.


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Posted:Europe has castles...

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Posted:Written by: ...Lightning...
1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.



This is essentially what our constitution already says...It's just that no one seems to have read it... redface


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Posted:I dont know if this is good or bad, but European girls aren't made of plastic like Americans.

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Posted:ubblol

they can be just as fake though!

actually, that reminds me - Europeans are in generally better shape than americans.

And girl watching is generally much more pleasant here too because of that and the good public transit!


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Raphael96
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Posted:I dunno, the food AND mass transit are both pretty good here in New York!

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Posted:yeah, there are some exceptions to the mass transit rule, but you know what, NY public transit is good, probably the best in the states, but Berlin public transit is just so uber sweet that I am not even going to compare - all I will say is the Germans are very efficient people!

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Posted:Written by: vanize

all I will say is the Germans are very efficient people!



Hahaha! Don't tell anyone I'm reading through HoP at work, otherwise people may start to believe we're not that efficient after all... ubbangel


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Posted:yeah - well have of it is show I know - but they really like to show it things like time tales for trains and stuff like that!

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OrangeBobo
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Posted:Yeah, Germany's Public Transport is fiiiine... until it snows! Then next thing you know, there's "a tree on the tracks" and you simply have to take "another bus" which leads you to the next bus... thus making your 30min. train ride home 2 hours longer. No, I'm not bitter about the time that happened to me...

And I read a book about Germany, and it said you can set your clock by the train times - not so. At least for me. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT SNOWS!!!!

No, really though, the transportation here is AMAZING. A few busses I've been on have plasma screen monitors with a little automated map-type thing that tells you where you are, where you're going, and the next 5 stops or so. And the little automated voice that comes on after the little 'ding!' and tells you the next stop. It pleases me greatly biggrin

Although trainstations CAN be really hectic.

One thing against europe (at least here): they definately need some skills on snow removal!!! Why is snow such a big problem?? I was laying down in the snow at school one day with my friends around me telling me how insane I was, and 2 teachers came to see if something happened, because I was laying down in the snow. Like it was forbidden....

Europe is better on the whole I'd say... But politics are still pretty corrupt (among other things....*coughsoccercough*) The culture seems more alive (or just different than what I'm used to)

As for the girls, I find them to be more trend-following, heavy make-up wearing, wenttothetanningsalon100timestoomany than in North America. There's actually more variety amung the guys from what I see. But the punk cultre is bigger here, definately, I'd say. And there's more to do for teenagers.

Although... it's damn expensive ubbcrying

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Birgit
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Posted:You just made me laugh a lot, OrangeBobo!!

Not every country is used to Canadian amounts of snow... if you want to see realy chaos with snow go to the UK though, when I was there for an interview last year half of the schools were closed down for a layer of snow Germany would've laughed at wink But then, it's Remscheid, I'm from the south where there's more snow usually biggrin

Look at the US (e.g. the weapon industry) though and then tell me again that European politics are corrupt...

I agree on the girls, though having said that the UK's hardly better for make up and certainly not for fake tans! I got advised on the best brands a week after starting work here until I said "thanks, I'm fine being pale, and I thought at least in the UK it wouldn't stand out so much!" but it seems I might've been wrong there! From the time I spent in Canada though the whole school was split up in groups following trends, too... it's just not so obvious because Germany's really doing its best to imitate the US at the moment!

Mhm. I haven't been in the US for long enough to really judge what's better, but I don't think I'd fit in there very well, so Europe's probably the place for me smile Oh, AND we can understand Americans but they don't understand us most of the time biggrin


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Posted:Written by:

You just made me laugh a lot, OrangeBobo!!



Hehe, that's good to know!! Sometimes I think I just laugh at what I say alone! tongue

Written by:
Not every country is used to Canadian amounts of snow...



Not all of Canada gets a lot of snow!!! But my city (Halifax, NS) got... around 100cm in 8 days last month, so who am I to say...

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But then, it's Remscheid, I'm from the south where there's more snow usually


We've got a little dusting here rolleyes 20cm or something I think. But I don't measure in cm, really... in my mind it's: toes, ankels, knees, hips... I like the snow around the knees and a bit higher, where you can flop down in it, thus making a snowchair perfectly molded to your body... very comfy!! (In remscheid we're around ankle-depth)

Although, my boyfriend lives in Karlsrhue, and there is no snow there, which makes him really quite sad!!

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Look at the US (e.g. the weapon industry) though and then tell me again that European politics are corrupt...



The way I look at it, corruption is corruption. It's not working right. Some governments might be worse, true, but the corruption is still there!

Oh, but I forgot to add this at the end of my other post: I like Europe.

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Posted:I enjoyed my year in the Netherlands- Party it up in Germany bobo!

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Posted:one major problem that i find in europe is the french. france would be nice if 8 out of ever 10 people i met when i was over there didn't look down their noses at you, like you were inferior, and as if saying, what are you doing in my country, breathing my air and standing on my street, and the fact that if you asked them something very innocent, like which diretion to the shop, they would pretent to not understand english, and then when they made a joke in english they expect you to laugh, even though it's directed at you.

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Posted:Too busy doing homework Kael, dear. Although, I do have fun when I can wink

And I'm planning a trip to Holland in May, actually. Doing a lot of European travelling this year... Leave for skiing Thurs. Best part - sleep in Austria, ski 10min. bus drive away in Italy biggrin How cool!

Europe is good also because:
-everything is close
-people actually go on REAL vacations (not take a week vacation, and spend it at home either working for work, or cleaning the house)
- most countries are in the EU, and most countries in the EU all have the Euro, which makes travelling easier.
-lower drinking age (at least here) ubbangel

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Posted:Written by: Prometheus

Written by: ...Lightning...
1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.



This is essentially what our constitution already says...It's just that no one seems to have read it... redface



Not the sexual orientation bit.

The significance of this isn't that I believe it will be 100% enforced from the get-go. It's that the Constitution even SAYS that...


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Posted:this is all well and good, but down under is where its really at!

we dont even have a constitution!

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Posted:Written by: OrangeBobo

Yeah, Germany's Public Transport is fiiiine... until it snows! Then next thing you know, there's "a tree on the tracks" and you simply have to take "another bus" which leads you to the next bus... thus making your 30min. train ride home 2 hours longer. No, I'm not bitter about the time that happened to me...




actually Berlin has no problems dealing with the snow, and I do in fact set my watch by the trains! ubblol


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Posted:Written by: Birgit

Oh, AND we can understand Americans but they don't understand us most of the time biggrin



that's because most of europe watches american movies and hears american accents all the time. Normal American's only hear chinese, mexican/south american, middle eastern, and indian accents very much on a regualar basis...


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Posted:Written by: OrangeBobo


Europe is good also because:
-people actually go on REAL vacations (not take a week vacation, and spend it at home either working for work, or cleaning the house)
- most countries are in the EU, and most countries in the EU all have the Euro, which makes travelling easier.

~ Bobo



absolutely correct on the vacation thing - I get 30 days a year vacation here - the same job in the states would give me 10.

But please note that most states use the dollar ( wink ) and this covers a much bigger travelling area (though you will not be travelling to any castles!), so the euro thing isn't really an advantage, especially given the hold outs like the UK, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway (bastards...). Them having the euro means it is just no longer a COMPLETE pain in the rear travelling around europe more than it is so much an advantage over the US.

But the real advantage of the euro is that it is quite strong against the dollar right now - making paying of my student loans 30% easier for the time being!!!


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Posted:Written by: vanize

Written by: OrangeBobo


- most countries are in the EU, and most countries in the EU all have the Euro, which makes travelling easier.

~ Bobo



But please note that most states use the dollar ( wink ) and this covers a much bigger travelling area (though you will not be travelling to any castles!), so the euro thing isn't really an advantage, especially given the hold outs like the UK, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway (bastards...). Them having the euro means it is just no longer a COMPLETE pain in the rear travelling around europe more than it is so much an advantage over the US.




Okay. So there's what, 25 countries in the EU, I think. 4 don't use the Euro. That leaves 21 countries you can travel through that all have the same currency. I think that's still pretty good. (They started out with 11 countries that could use the Euro, so I guess it got better somehow.)

Unless the info on the EU site is wrong (ho hum)

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Posted:Written by: vanize

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Oh, AND we can understand Americans but they don't understand us most of the time biggrin



that's because most of europe watches american movies and hears american accents all the time. Normal American's only hear chinese, mexican/south american, middle eastern, and indian accents very much on a regualar basis...



Urgh. Tried that before and the post was lost I think! Sorry if it's going to be there twice.

I think you're wrong there, at least Germany has American movies dubbed so we're not that used to the accent. Maybe from music on the radio, but apart from that, no...

But actually I was saying that most Europeans speak English (or Russian if they were in school during the cold war) to some degree, and lots of European countries aim at teaching students at least 2 foreign languages, which I do think is a big advantage. Yes, most Americans and Brits get along well in the rest of Europe because everyone speaks their language, but still... being able to speak foreign languages is cool, and people are much nicer in lots of countries when you actually try ordering your food / buying your stamps etc in their language!

Understanding foreigners speaking your own language is not what I meant biggrin Americans usually don't have a problem understanding me when I speak English.


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