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Devil - Dmember
72 posts
Location: Holland (Deventer)


Posted:
Last weekend I'd a discussion with some friends about anti - subcultures. There are a lot of subcultures who are anti commercial. Our conclusion was: There's a market for every subculture, even the anti - commercial cultures. Because, why do like a great group all the same clothes, music, events and all the stuff around? Because the market got a package for every subculture!. These markets are less great than mainstream markets, but there is a market for these cultures.

Conclusion: everyone likes to consume? Even if you're anti - commercial? I think that anti - commercial is a image for a lot, and the market got a package for them. So they only do it to be different? While a lot others do the same! (The target-group of the market.) Are they hypocritical?

ado-pGOLD Member
Pirate Ninja
3,882 posts
Location: Galway/Ireland


Posted:
*makes note to bring meg a basket of fruit*

hug

Love is the law.


OrbitSILVER Member
enthusiast
270 posts
Location: USA


Posted:
Hey waitaminit... now I realize that this is probably the most interesting passage that's been written so far:

Written by:

People grow their own food orbit. They can make thier own clothes too. They trade for what they dont have. Its ironic I think that you think this is so impossible when there are people in the world that have to do this because of the way capitalism has destroyed their economy and forced them into poverty so that we can have instant coffee and chocolate.





It is ironic that people in the "developed" world long for a simpler life and move to communes. I think it's possible to live a simpler life without giving up everything else...

I also find it interesting that you blame capitalism for destroying their economies... when I would think that it could more directly be attributed to government corruption. Most of those countries never even had capitalist economies -- they had socialist or communist economies! So the only way you can really blame capitalism for hurting them is if you're saying that capitalist countries managed to prosper when they were mired in corruption.

Maybe the culprit isn't really capitalism, but greed. Greed exists -- that's the reality. Capitalism works with greed, but other systems do not. If anything, the problem we have here is that we're not greedy enough for capitalism (that is, me and at least Meg, not sure about ado-p) -- but THAT, I think, is a far better solution than being in a system that pretends greed doesn't exist.

I remember as a graduate being lured into "the system" and convinced that the corporate world was great, that you need to continue on the track to making big bucks at big companies. That's not true at all. The vast majority of people who are "successful" don't follow that path at all, but rather work in smaller companies. The reality is that our economies still run on the hundreds of thousands of smaller companies, not just on the big corporations. The big corporations are just really good at convincing everyone that they're the only game in town.

The other insight I had was that people who get paid a whole lot of money... well, they're paid that much for a reason. They're expected to work their arse off, and they may also have to do things that no one else wants to do (ie decide how to make the company smaller by laying off loads of people, or in the case of lawyers, read loads of papers no one wants to read). At the other extreme, teachers and others who get a social benefit from their work often get paid less than they deserve.

It's far nicer to find a way to make your living doing something in the community. The benefit of being in a capitalist economy is that you have the opportunity to decide what that entails. In a communist or other economy, you'd probably be forced to do what you don't want to do -- you know, for the benefit of the whole and all that.

ado-pGOLD Member
Pirate Ninja
3,882 posts
Location: Galway/Ireland


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your confusing countries with companies, which are bigger than countries.

calling me greedy and putting words in my mouth are not ways i like to discuss.

capitalism is a system that is designed to produce a return on investment for private and coporate investors.

it means that the companies that sell more have more money.

they increase sales with advertising and marketing. the company with the biggest market share (or army) wins.

this is off topic though so im getting out before we end up descending into macro economics and geo politic.

another thread maybe, i'd be interested to hear what other people think of the capitalist model, if its a good or bad thing and what are the alternatives.

so

marketing/spinning

carry on

Love is the law.


OrbitSILVER Member
enthusiast
270 posts
Location: USA


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I didn't call you greedy. I'm saying there are greedy people out there.

Companies with the biggest market share are not always the winners. Market share does not equal profit.

If you're into greed, more than 90% of millionaires in the US made their money in a small business -- not the corporate path, as many would have you believe.

If you're not into greed, at least this statistic shows that there are ways to live outside the corporate world, ways to avoid the corporate world... and still live in a capitalist economy and do pretty damn well for yourself.

Macroeconomics doesn't factor in cultural and other complexities... Macroeconomics can't explain why Japan's in a decade-long recession.

ado-pGOLD Member
Pirate Ninja
3,882 posts
Location: Galway/Ireland


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i can see that you only want to argue orbit

so i'll just ask nicely

if would you like to discuss this, could you start another thread?

what we are talking about doesnt really relate to the topic in any way thats going to benefit it.

Love is the law.


Mr MajestikSILVER Member
coming to a country near you
4,693 posts
Location: home of the tiney toothy bear, Australia


Posted:
Calvin & Hobbes "the old devide and conqure trick"

the market caters for demand

"but have you considered there is more to life than your eyelids?"

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