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bluecat


bluecat

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Location: everywhere

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Posted:NYC asked me to post about something i was teaching the other day... so here it is.

its a technique i borrowed form a juggling workshop i did last year.

write down a list of tricks you know, and order them randomly. about 5 if you're a beginner, 10 if you're pretty good, and about 15 if you can follow a conversation between rev and arashi wink

so you might have something looking like this:

1, butterfly
2. btb
3. low reel
4. windmill
5. ttn
6. throw with half turn
7. airwrap
8. mexican wave


clear?
then what you do is take each consecutive pair of moves, and work out the nicest way to get from one to the next in as little time as possible.

*interlude*

so by now you have learnt 7 transitions(if you are doing the sequence above).

now you try to memorise them in order, and try to get from 1 to 8 with as little time possible spent on each 'move'. without actually going and timing it, i reckon you can get through those 8 in about 10 seconds or less if you work at it.

the important thing you are learning is not how to do the moves involved. it is how to transition and flow form one move to the next.

i did this about 10 times one day with ten different sequences, and felt like i was spinning in a totally different way at the end of the day.

enjoy, and don't hesitate to ask for clarification anywhere if you need it.

smiles
R


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UCOF
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

UCOF

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Location: , United Kingdom

Total posts: 15414
Posted:Thats a really good way of learning.

Can it be applied to learning lecture notes as well?

smile


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bluecat


bluecat

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Location: everywhere

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Posted:no.

get back in the library and work, jon.


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mo-seph


mo-seph

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Location: Edinburgh, UK

Total posts: 524
Posted:Nice. Like it.

biggrin

(Almost missed this, with it being in poi moves... good job I'm bored today wink )


monkeys ate my brain

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garthy
SILVER Member since Apr 2002

garthy

old hand
Location: Bristol, England

Total posts: 717
Posted:Oh I did this with a bit of paper hanging off my bookshelf! biggrin bounce

I've got such a bad memory I'd forget what I was doing / Learning and it really helps transitions.

Thne I wrote a computer program a while back that would flash names of moves on the sscreen in big letters from a list. May see If I could dig it out if anyone thinks it could be any use? Then looked into getting it to speak. ubblol

Speak a move

This was all on the Spheruislism site thingy. It did it randomly from the list thougth and no use in the park.


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"if poi was only for girls there wouldnt be many good poi spinners...." - Nx

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zarkia
BRONZE Member since Oct 2004

zarkia

Member
Location: ireland

Total posts: 98
Posted:wow, bluecat, thats a really good idea. damn this bad weather; i really have to get back into spinning soon.

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SpitFire
GOLD Member since Dec 2002

Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada

Total posts: 2723
Posted:Great idea, bluecat! Sometimes, figuring out transitions is harder than figuring out the moves....sometimes.

smile


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arsn


arsn

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Posted:Ummm Mr Bluecat sir...

Written by:
Originally posted by Bluecat
about 5 if you're a beginner, 10 if you're pretty good, and about 15 if you can follow a conversation between rev and arashi wink

so you might have something looking like this:

1, butterfly
2. btb
3. low reel
4. windmill
5. ttn
6. throw with half turn
7. airwrap
8. mexican wave

clear?




That's only eight moves... which doesn't put you into a class of either "beginner" or "pretty good"... and I'm sure that you could understand and follow a conversation between rev and arashi!

biggrinI'm going to be in detention aren't I... rolleyes


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simian


simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London

Total posts: 3149
Posted:Written by: arsn
I'm sure that you could understand and follow a conversation between rev and arashi!


i don't think even rev and arashi can follow conversations between rev and arashi ubbloco

I've been meaning to post here to say:
Wicked practice idea, Mr Bloo clap

i might give it a go if i ever actually practice my tricks, rather than spending my time finding new and ever more ugly ones biggrin


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Dunc
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Dunc

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Posted:ditto

Let's relight this forum ubblove

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bluecat


bluecat

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Location: everywhere

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Posted:slap for arsn.

(i saw duncs avatar)

wait til you see what we had to do in the juggling workshop that this idea came from..:


26 moves in a random order, each with a letter next to it.

then write out your name in tricks, and juggle it without transitive cascades.(i.e without reverting to a basic like 3bt weave in between things)

wargh.


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Richee
BRONZE Member since Jan 2002

HOP librarian
Location: Prague, Czech. Republic

Total posts: 1841
Posted:I'd like to add for the first concept of learning, that is good to try the chain, after first to last move, to last to first, to make a full circle smile.

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tekki tom


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Location: Bexhill england

Total posts: 43
Posted:i find poi easey to get a new move once i have tried it once ortwice figred out were im going wrong and then done it real realy slowly then thaugh yes iv done it now lets do it till i dont get it wrong

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MikeIcon
GOLD Member since Mar 2003

MikeIcon

Pooh-Bah
Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA

Total posts: 2109
Posted:Still takes lots of practice to get the move solid, even though you "got" it. And this technique isnt for learning new moves. Its for learning how to transition from anything into anything.

Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.

-Me

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Zulu


Zulu

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Location: Brisbane, Qld, Australia

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Posted:I like the idea, mainly because it is one i already use, however if you are really bored an want to try developing your transitions, first see if you can do all your tricks backwards as in the reverse direction of poi, (why do i have the feeling i will get a vid of someone doing his tricks while walking backwards?) it's simple enough and most people have mastered it already but for those that haven't it is a useful skill to know, especially when you incorporate jumps and flips into your routine and your orientation changes very quickly, after you have learnt that step go do the transition thing again with all the moves backwards and then mix and match.

Hakuna Matata
Zulu :P

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mico
BRONZE Member since Jul 2004

mico

freedom in chains
Location: San Francisco & Oxford, United...

Total posts: 176
Posted:That's a great learning routine.

And often a nice combination or new trick will come from
an accidental transition.

Poi's just a collection of tricks without transitions.
Eventually, it's all just transitions, or maybe none
at all..

ubbloco


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Rev
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Rev

Bastard Newbie Messiah
Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA

Total posts: 1269
Posted:nice one blue... I lvoe anything that takes peoples minds off the trick for a bit...

I feel special.. I've become a referential in the world of poi...

oh and I've almost finished 'the reason rev's so incomprehensible at poi' thingy..

miss you guys.. I'll be back soon..


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simian


simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London

Total posts: 3149
Posted:actually rev, i'm only teasing biggrin

your stuff can (almost) always be understood if the reader actually puts in a little effort.

"I couldn't understand your description" is more often than not another way of saying "I couldn't be bothered to read your description properly".

whoops - that was pretty offtopic


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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ado-p
GOLD Member since May 2004

ado-p

Pirate Ninja
Location: Galway/Ireland

Total posts: 3882
Posted:I disagree simian,

rev, i generally dont understand a word you say. I admire you for it... smile

sorry

carry on...


Love is the law.

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Faberg
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

veteran
Location: Dublin, Ireland

Total posts: 1459
Posted:i'm with ado on this one

i have made some very serious attempts at understanding some of rev's post, like even printing them off and bringing them home to read (work pc)

but it might as well be nuclear physics...... ubbloco


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bluecat


bluecat

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Posted:unortunately simon, i'm with the irish contingent here. but it has stopped bothering me now. rev and i exchanged views a little just before spherc collapsed, (incidentally, rev, i sent one out the day it came down, i'm not sure if you recieved it, but it was pretty long and comprehensive about where we needed to go from there), but have agreed to hold slightly differing viewpoints on descriptions of stuff, and respect each other for it.

anyhow. totally off topic, you're all sacked(myself included)

smiles
R


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Kit


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Posted:<get up off arse and goes to practicewith a dingly bit of paper hung on the washing line>
damn wind i canny read the bloody thing!


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Rev
BRONZE Member since Mar 2003

Rev

Bastard Newbie Messiah
Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA

Total posts: 1269
Posted:sorry blue.. that was evidently lost..

More useless information courtesy of Rev...
Confusing the masses, one post at a time...
"Obviously, you're not a golfer.."- The Dude
"Buy the ticket... Take the ride..." -Raoul Duke
"FEMA has never done catastrophe planning..."-Michael Brown

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_Poiboy_
GOLD Member since Jan 2004

_Poiboy_

bastard child of satan
Location: Raanana, Israel

Total posts: 1113
Posted:*bump*
This thread is awesome and really helped me with transitions when I read it.


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JoS
BRONZE Member since Apr 2007

newbie
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)

Total posts: 4
Posted:Dude, I love you.... thank for posting this. I've been having so much bother with transitions! clap clap

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_khan_
SILVER Member since Nov 2004

_khan_

old hand
Location: San Francisco, California, USA

Total posts: 768
Posted:Good bump Poiboy (and thanks for the original post, Blue)! I think I'm going to apply this to hoop practice, as transitions in that realm are what I'm focusing on most at the moment.

taken out of context i must seem so strange
~ ani di franco

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BlueHairSarah


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Total posts: 17
Posted:I feel like the whole speed aspect of this would lead to plane bending...

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bluecat


bluecat

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Location: everywhere

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Posted:noooooooooooooooooo!

not that i'm quite as against plane bending as i used to be, but still, there are thousands of fast transitoins that mean you don't need it.

in any case, i feel my original post is a bit misleading... i'll update it someday (into the book long list it goes... rolleyes )

R


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