Analemma
Analemma

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Location: West LA
Member Since: 22nd May 2003
Total posts: 384
Posted:I love me chains but sometimes it is nice to play with strings...
Does anybody use strings on their firepois ? I thought about the string used for firediablo or the "Pure Kelvar sewing thread" from HOP - just weave it with this over under motion and you should have a string that is strong enough weavesmiley

thx in advance

andy


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Dom
Dom

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Location: Bristol, UK
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Posted:I haven't tried this, but I'd say it's probably not a good idea and if I did do it I'd load test the string a lot before ever using it.

Kevlar isn't the invincible thread everyone thinks it is - it does degrade and has a tensile srength. And like most other things, it's more easily damaged when hot. Diablo kevlar string does not take much weight and is rarely in direct contact with the flame. So the fact that it's ok for diablo doesn't mean it'd work with poi.

Maybe a thinner kevlar rope would be a better idea to look in to? Some 1/4 or 3/8 braided rope might work well.


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Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
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Posted:Yes, I would definately go for rope over thread. 1/4" rope would be fine but it probably wouldnt take too long for it to burn up near the head and become unsafe. You would need to replace the rope frequently. You gotta remember that no matter what kind of rope/string you use, its going to absorb some fuel too.

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Big Andy
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Location: Dallas, Tx
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Posted:Another Andy! HI ANDY!! beerchug


And i second that, Dom, thread wouldn't be anywhere near strong enough.

I forget what size rope Flid uses for his "flid" design, I think 3/8"?!?!?! Maybe?

One could follow the directions on his flids to connect the heads to the rope the same way, eliminating any metal hardware, and since the point is for it to be like spinning strings, then the rope could just go through the head, come back up, and create a single loop to be looped over the pinky and the rope held between the thumb and forefinger like strings. The loop could be sewed in place securely with the kevlar thread, methinks.

Here's a link to complete flid construction instructions, so if anyone couldn't understand what i was talking about, hopefully these pictures and instructions will help visualize what I'm talking about.


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Analemma
Analemma

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Location: West LA
Member Since: 22nd May 2003
Total posts: 384
Posted:Thx a lot guys - but I am looking for a string with maximum 3mm (1/8 inch). Everything above would destroy the beautiful string effect I am looking for.
I have never seen the Kevlar thread - but you dont think that if you weave or knot it it could hold enough ? I thought about 8 strings woven ?!?
Keep the ideas coming - I keep you updated !!

thx again

andreas


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simian
simian

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Location: London
Member Since: 11th Oct 2002
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Posted:i think they're right. Even if you braid the thread, at the thickness you're talking about i'd be very unsure about it's reliability, especially over time. When you're spinning a burny thing round it's good to be very sure about the strength of the connection between you and it.

What is it in particular about the 'string effect' that you want, anyway?

Are there any types of metal wire that would work instead?


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DeepSoulSheep
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Location: Berlin
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Posted:Mayhaps it'll help to have string for most of the poi 'body' but have chain nearer to the head?

Let us know what you come up with cause string's cool cool


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Pyrolific
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Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Member Since: 10th Jan 2001
Total posts: 3288
Posted:I think its probly unsafe, but I'd like to point out that the dynamic tension required to throw a diabolo 15metres in the air is probly a lot greater than you would put on a poi. The only moves I can think of which might get this kind of force would be hard recoil type wraps...or just spinning really really fast (but I think you wouldnt do this if you were using experimental poi - at least not unless you were on an iceflow or something) smile



also, with fire diabolo, the fire is not in constant contact with the string - in fact if you are good at it, it shouldnt ever come in contact..at least with the fire diabolo designs I've seen.



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Durbs
Durbs

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Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
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Posted:Quote:
... the beautiful string effect I am looking for...



Er... what? We are talking about string yeah? smile

What effect were you looking for?


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simian
simian

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Location: London
Member Since: 11th Oct 2002
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Posted:i'm pretty sure he means for isolations
(i realised after watching Weasel do some really nice stuff with comet poi on strings yesterday.)

The thinness and straightness looks awesome when it isolates. it really highlights the parallel lines, and makes it look extra clean.

Thin gauge ballchain would be kinda the same, but that'd probably still be too weak. Although that all depends on how big and heavy the wick is too, obviously.


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tadpole
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Location: Harare, Zimbabwe
Member Since: 19th Nov 2002
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Posted:Thin gauge ball chain is too weak. I'm stuck in a place where good materials are hard to find, so I've tried bathplug chain (not sure what the gauge is), and it broke constantly. I ended up with tiny repairs all over the place, its not even worth trying.

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Location: Philadelphia, PA - USA
Member Since: 27th Mar 2003
Total posts: 2109
Posted:If its thin youre going for, you can just get metal cord leashes.

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MillenniuM
MillenniuM

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Member Since: 10th Jul 2003
Total posts: 595
Posted:Ever considered having a kevlar sleeve to fit over your ballchain?

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