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musashiistarring Skippy the green llama
1,148 posts
Location: Seattle, WA


Posted:
I know the entry details say 'any' of the fire arts, but what fire implements will be featured or are ok to use for entries? I ask only because I haven't seen any rope dart, fire swords, fans, flags or whips in any of the entries. I've only seen COL4, but just wanted to make sure.

First intention, then enlightenment..
Ars Pyronomica

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colemanSILVER Member
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom


Posted:
no fire clubs so far either...

is it really all the fire that the col series concentrates on or just the two main disciplines on hop?

i think diversification could be dangerous and certainly, more toys would make it harder to pick a 'winner' (mind you, do we even need a winner?).

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood


Weaselthe one and only, just like chesney
295 posts
Location: here


Posted:
AND no weasel staff yet
dont forget weasel staff

birds might be able to fly,
but weasels dont get caught in jet engine's


musashiistarring Skippy the green llama
1,148 posts
Location: Seattle, WA


Posted:
eh?, how do you think diversification could be dangerous? confused

First intention, then enlightenment..
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" Life is programmed. Whether death is programmed or not is yet to be determined."


lindaSILVER Member
member
93 posts
Location: Toronto, Canada


Posted:
I think Pele's Element used fire fans (or were those fingers?) and there are flags in the DasSpielvolk video and then there's that crazy three-section fire staff that Bender uses. smile

Personally, I think the more toys the better. COL4 is about sharing our love of the art and part of that is sharing new toys, new moves, new ideas.

However, I think voting would have been alot easier, if there were categories, like best poi, staff, double staff, glowsticks, etc. Or would that make it harders? rolleyes

Cheers, Linda, the shorter fire sister.
ubblol

musashiistarring Skippy the green llama
1,148 posts
Location: Seattle, WA


Posted:
Quote:

Personally, I think the more toys the better. COL4 is about sharing our love of the art and part of that is sharing new toys, new moves, new ideas.




Me too..I wonder if someone could win COL5 without using poi or staff..I ask because a good friend of mine wants to enter this yr, but only performs with rope dart, or fire swords. Does he have the same chance as someone say just spinning poi, or would he honestly be considered at all to be able to win? I don't think that winning is the only thing on his mind, just wondering because he's really good.

First intention, then enlightenment..
Ars Pyronomica

" Life is programmed. Whether death is programmed or not is yet to be determined."


onewheeldaveGOLD Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom


Posted:
Maybe the reason other toys haven't won is because, compared to the quality of the poi/staff etc spinners, they weren't as good.

This is to be expected as far more people do poi/staff.

Also, some toys are more difficult to look impressive with, an example form personal experience is fire club juggling- it's much more difficult, especially in the dark.

Lately there seems to be more interest in meteors, rope dart and other toys, so maybe we can expect a future winner in one of those.

"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
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pkBRONZE Member
Lambretta Fanatic
4,999 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
col 1 featured jo derry doing an awsome set with aerotech glo clubs, and for a set thats a good few years old now still stands out as one of the best col entries of all time.

Rope dart has also been featured along with meteors.

Still waiting for some bugee staff to be entered haha ubblol

What about bender with his fire swords in col3? or his 3 peice staff?

So far there has been a variety of props used in all col videos and i certainly feel people take all entries in to consideration with what people have produced overall with their entries.

Its not really about winning, that to me has never been an issue, its about sharing and contributing to the communities around the world, its not just the active members of the community that see these videos but others too, i first saw col1 when i had just started to learn poi then became an active member.

I hope that every one can contribute in the future in some way, with out people that put entries in, begginers and active community folk can all have some thing new and inspiring to sit, watch and learn from year in year out.

Wether submitting to col 5 next year or just putting your own videos online people are allways greatful in any contributions made.

just my thoughts.
hug

musashiistarring Skippy the green llama
1,148 posts
Location: Seattle, WA


Posted:
werd...thnx for the nfo too beerchug

First intention, then enlightenment..
Ars Pyronomica

" Life is programmed. Whether death is programmed or not is yet to be determined."


DioHoP Mechanical Engineer
729 posts
Location: OK, USA


Posted:
Realize it isn't just about "who does poi/staff the best," because if you'll look at the winners on CoL4 they weren't doing new showcases of extreme hyperloop/BTB/parallel/whatever craziness or pouring on extra thick skill, they were performing a show that entertained the viewer. That can be done with any toy, by anyone regardless of the number of techniques they can do. That's one thing I really like about the CoL competitions... they do show off a variety of new skills and innovations but the real value is in the entertainment... too often people lose sight of that anymore and only see value in being able to do the latest "most Jedi" BS and show off, when really the way you're going to inspire others is by giving them something more than just technical spinning or flowing from move to move without repeats.

CoL4 was even advertised as being about the STYLE of the performers, and you could basically sum up the audience favorites vote as "who has the most style" or more generally who they found the most entertaining. The winners all displayed great amounts of style, and that's what set them apart from the pack.

What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.


bluecatgeek, level 1
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere


Posted:
Quote:

Realize it isn't just about "who does poi/staff the best," because if you'll look at the winners on CoL4 they weren't doing new showcases of extreme hyperloop/BTB/parallel/whatever craziness or pouring on extra thick skill, they were performing a show that entertained the viewer.
........
CoL4 was even advertised as being about the STYLE of the performers, and you could basically sum up the audience favorites vote as "who has the most style" or more generally who they found the most entertaining. The winners all displayed great amounts of style, and that's what set them apart from the pack.




you can't say that(first section). cause noone entered these things.
but i agree the winners were the most stylized entries. well done all biggrin
i think i would have put markeespark in the first three. but hey.

R

Holistic Spinner (I hope)


pounceSILVER Member
All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
9,831 posts
Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA


Posted:
i'd advocate the use of categories again. i agree it's mostly the overall show, but i know i personally evaluated the skill involved. and there's definately different skill involved in poi, staff, etc. it was really hard for me to vote because of that. i couldn't compare the skill involved in poi versus staff.

I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**


DioHoP Mechanical Engineer
729 posts
Location: OK, USA


Posted:
Quote:

you can't say that(first section). cause noone entered these things.




Just listing some techniques that have been used in the past to segregate spinners based on their skill levels, wasn't giving any particular examples there.

What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.


bluecatgeek, level 1
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere


Posted:
actually i wasn't meaning it specifically either...

ubblol

just that you appeared to be saying rather pointedly that those techniques didn't win, which i felt was an invalid arguement when they weren't even tried....

apologies for the misunderstanding.


rob(planningtoenterahyper-technicalentrynextyear ubblol wink ubblol)

Holistic Spinner (I hope)


ben-ja-menGOLD Member
just lost .... evil init
2,474 posts
Location: Adelaide, Australia


Posted:
with some cool contact to i hope

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?


DJ DantanaBRONZE Member
veteran
1,495 posts
Location: Stillwater, Ok. USA


Posted:
rob and vern, I must dissagree slightly. the winners (poiz in da hood) had a few technical moves. especialy the "flowers" that menick does. those are very difficult to do as precise as he does them.



and anyone who says nix contact wasn't technical can kiss my giggly booty.... tongue wink

we eat and we drink and we smoke and we try!


bluecatgeek, level 1
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere


Posted:
i'm not saying that nobody was technical.

just that a lot of what is considered highly technical poi-ing was not on show and the video is no worse for it.


and nix' contact? technical but sloppy wink hug hug hug hug ubblol ubblol


(i hope he knows i'm only kidding!)

hehe

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Aurora (1/2 a firesister)GOLD Member
enthusiast
249 posts
Location: Canada, Ontario, Toronto


Posted:
Food for thought : I know the moves that we (firesisters) performed would seem rather average if performed by only one person but these 'average' moves suddenly become more technically difficult when performed as a duo. I agree that our entry had a lot to do with style but there was an equal amount of time and energy put into the technical aspect aswell. *chomp chomp*

Either way I recommend grabbing a friend and trying some moves...not only will you find it challenging but it will add a whole new element of fun to your spinning.


Om Namah Sivaya


DioHoP Mechanical Engineer
729 posts
Location: OK, USA


Posted:
Style was the theme, but certainly not in the absence of technique. Sorry if I made it seem that way, I should have been more specific. ubbrollsmile

Technique enhances style, but not vice versa, however, as you can learn all the freaky psycho advanced tricks in the world but if you can't blend them together then they're not going to look clean when performed.

The better performances of CoL4 had both technique AND style in spades, and I'm not disputing that in the least smile

What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.


pounceSILVER Member
All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
9,831 posts
Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all around the world, USA


Posted:
i agreed, that's why i voted for ya! biggrin good job guys!

I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**


pkBRONZE Member
Lambretta Fanatic
4,999 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
i think if coleman and bluecat had put in a 30second clip of them doing DUO hyperloops and airwraps they'd have won hands down.
just a though!


"poi for nerds."

Aurora (1/2 a firesister)GOLD Member
enthusiast
249 posts
Location: Canada, Ontario, Toronto


Posted:
that would be the ultimate....I'd have to have myself a good drink after seeing something like that.

Cheers,

Om Namah Sivaya


bluecatgeek, level 1
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere


Posted:
ubblol

did i tell you we tried to do this kind of thing again and just failed utterly miserably ubblol ubblol ubblol

was highly entertaining


then again we were a little noncomposmentis at the time ubblol


waveR

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[Nx?]BRONZE Member
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,750 posts
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both


Posted:
Ive decided that for the next one im gonna do a full coreographed routeen with costume, 4 props and good music. yes.

Tom

(checks his callendar)

This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
-><- Kallisti


bluecatgeek, level 1
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere


Posted:
(leotard and baton calling you my friend ubblol ubblol


(thinking i might rengade with that. promised it to a few last year ubblol)


ubbangelR

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colemanSILVER Member
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom


Posted:
Quote:

did i tell you we tried to do this kind of thing again and just failed utterly miserably ubblol ubblol ubblol





personally i blame dmt - or maybe the lack of a decent amount of it wink

the phenomenon can be summed up thusly:
"some things only work in pilton".
only six months till i'm back in that heavenly valley... ubblove

back to the topic:

the reason i said lots of different toys is dangerous is because i worry that the focus of the video will disappear.
if it isn't staff or poi i think it should be kept to a minimum and only examples of the highest calibre (e.g. crap fire club juggling by someone who does poi too should have no chance of getting on the video - it has to be [censored] hot like the rest of the performances).
after all, the poi and staff spinning on col4 is some of the best i have ever seen on video - if other toys are included, i'd like to think the same could be said for those sections too...

secondly, try and pick between a poi routine and a double staff routine.
now try and compare those to fire sword, club juggling and rope dart routines and you'll see quickly it becomes impossible to decide on a winner.
not to mention that it would have little to do with 'circles of light'...

i doubt i'll be submitting a video to col5 as i am a lazy bastardo. smile
mind you, if i make that tour of scotland next year i'm sure some footage will creep out somewhere along the way...

"i see you at 'dis cafe.
i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
- tim westwood


PukSILVER Member
Sweet talented nutter
2,615 posts
Location: Brisbane Oz, Australia


Posted:
Next year why don't we have different awards like cass was saying .

You know to give people some bragging wright's . Nothing more nothing less

If i put in a routine with fire whips and i get on thats all i care about .

Sharing what i do with the world hop fire circle

I don't beleive it would take the focus would be taken away .
Did it happen with bender with hurty ? or joe with clubs on the first one .

Or what about bassman on the col2 did that take anything away from his film when he was juggling fire or running on his power skips.

The focus should be more on the style or performance what ever makes you happy .

I loved poi's in the hood just cause they put i little bit of there sense of humor in it . Maybe our films should say something about us ?.

that shrewd and knavish sprite

Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy

I am the merry wander of the night -puk


arsnHow do you change this thing???
1,903 posts
Location: Behind the couch...


Posted:
Quote:

Originally posted by Puk
Maybe our films should say something about us ?.




*Wipes a tear...* ubbcrying

Beautiful... just beautiful...

I agree with Puk-o and Cass, that each video should show the personality of that twirler and/or twirlees. Poi's in the hood showed humor, darkness, and even grace... PK showed that even if he does look scary, you just know he's just a big teddy bear underneath... biggrin... and Nix showed how to split time and space in two, jump around for abit and do a little dance, jump back out, and continue twirling... tongue

Ofcourse two show I understand both sides... how would and could you judge a twirler if you had to judge in seperate groups... confused

I can't hear you... I have a banana in my ear.

"You mean I'll have to use my brain?... but I use staff!!!" ~ ben-ja-men


pkBRONZE Member
Lambretta Fanatic
4,999 posts
Location: United Kingdom


Posted:
how about no prizes, that makes every thing fair, i dont feel the need for any such competition in twirling, i only enter because i do and nothing more than to share what i do, prizes do not do any thing for me.

every one has their favourite spinners for many reasons, just look at the thread in poi moves about it.

we all twirl for many reasons and we all enter for many reasons, i love and respect so many people that twirl and what skills they show, its like the prize for the ultimate twirler... aint going to happen everyones got a different style or technique, every one offers some thing different than the others and they all get better and better in such a short span of time and when you make a video or what ever every one thinks damn that could have been better, damn i just got 5 new moves down since filming that.

I'm all for just sharing ideas and styles and helping the new folk learn for these videos, giving them inspiration and a desire to learn furter and take these skills into every day life, i feel that poi has taught me and many of us certain skills in life, the way we think, say and do things in general and lead us to a wonderful world of friendship by meeting others from the community, from what i have gained in my years of spinning that i love nothing more than giving some thing back and not wanting any thing from it other than to be happy helping people learn.

Hop was small when i first came here long before i registered, and now look at it, its crazy all these people that look up to some of us for that inspiration and what we have learned on our journey, i'd just like for us all to help them on theirs, no bickering, no competition just a straight up love for sharing and helping.

arsnHow do you change this thing???
1,903 posts
Location: Behind the couch...


Posted:
See what I mean... a teddy bear... tongue

I can't hear you... I have a banana in my ear.

"You mean I'll have to use my brain?... but I use staff!!!" ~ ben-ja-men


UCOFSILVER Member
15,417 posts
Location: South Wales


Posted:
what?

technical spinners are best?

bollocks.

someone could practice a behind the back, 10 beat, inside hyperloop, on one leg, for like a year. then get it on video and win.
thats poo.

its hard to pick a winner in these sort of arts as everyones style is so different and its only a matter of opinion. Its not about who is better than others...its about how many more people like one person than the next.

I think that COL5 should be broken down into sub-sub-sections:

poi: best technical spinning, best single trick, best coreography, greatest fluidity, nicest style, etc

staff: same as above

etc: etc.

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