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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Rather than get into yet another heated debate I'm finding myself getting caught up by little thoughts of the day that I find interesting.

Yesterday I thought: How many 'democracies' are involved in this conflict that have huge anti-war sentiments among their people and what does that say about democracy? (Not the US, we're all for it by opinion polls but so many others.)

My random thought for today was being utterly bothered by the American media using the word 'blitzkrieg' to describe the impending US ground advance. BLITZKRIEG?! Will our tanks be sporting those cool swastika flags as well?! Will we be naming our POW camp 'Auschwitz'? Well, I know there's enough people out there calling Bush "Hitler" so maybe...

So what's your random, Seinfeldian, insignificant observation about this predicament? (No deep political posts, only small insignificant rants please!)


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Dom
Dom

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Bristol, UK
Member Since: 19th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3009
Posted:Whenever I see the media reports on the war, espically the US media, my thought is: War is porn for all the family. But while most porn focuses on fun stuff like ice cream, war is about death and destruction. The war reports glorify destruction and use catchy phrases like "Target: Iraq" and "The showdown". The truth seems to be that everyone is sitting on their cosy sofas watching snuff on the TV.

It's a funny old culture we've built ourselves.


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Astar
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
Total posts: 1591
Posted:I was thinking the "21st century soldier" equipment is just around the corner. This amongst other things mean high tech soldiers will have cameras mounted on their guns. If people are disturbed by watching the war footage of the news today wait untill they have first person camera angles of soldiers engaging in close range combat.

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poiaholic22
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Member Since: 22nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 531
Posted:Ah yes yet another war for your viewing pleasure.Now direct from Iraq,death and destruction.

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Dio
Dio

HoP Mechanical Engineer
Location: OK, USA
Member Since: 11th Jul 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:I'm wondering what Superman would do

(you asked for Seinfeldian... hehe)


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DaiTenshi
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Location: Stillwater, OK
Member Since: 27th Sep 2002
Total posts: 104
Posted:Screw Superman.

Daredevil would own 'em all ^___^

Serious war thought; this is going to be damn short, I wonder if Bush will manage to figure out that if we don't get seriously involved in rebuilding Iraq (Japan reconstruction style) it's gonna hurt his chances at ever being respected internationally beyond all repair and fore the rest of us Americans to work our asses off to get everybody to stop being pissed off.


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SpArKiE
SpArKiE

*shiny shiny*
Location: Townsville, QLD, Aust.
Member Since: 23rd Sep 2002
Total posts: 218
Posted:my thought of the day has been the same since wednesday...

i just think generally about the bombs, how much they all cost... the differences between the US and Co and Iraq's technology.

but just today i had a new thought- watching the news and seeing the Iraqi soldiers surrender... i thought- how many others will follow? and will it change any outcome of the war? (i doubt it... but hey its a thought.)


And wherever you've gone and wherever we might go. It don't seem fair. Today just disappeared.

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DeepSoulSheep
DeepSoulSheep

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Berlin
Member Since: 25th Sep 2002
Total posts: 2617
Posted:I thought it was amazing when an American representitive (of some sort, can't remember who or what) basically admitted that Iraq was only the start and there were loads of middle east countries next(for regime change). I still can't believe I heard that...

I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

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_Stix_
_Stix_

Pooh-Bah
Location: la-la land
Member Since: 15th Feb 2002
Total posts: 2419
Posted:I read in the snooze paper that Saddam launched scuds when the attacks started.. I thought that the weapons inspectors said that he didn't have any.. also the fact that the he also fired Al-Samounds too.. I guess Hans Blix now knows why he only said he had 36... Saddam is a liar, that just proves he's hiding stuff.. what worries me now if what else..

I can't support the war- or any war for that matter as I am a pacifist.. but I can't think of an alternative solution..


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You are never to old to storm a bouncey castle..

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DeepSoulSheep
DeepSoulSheep

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Berlin
Member Since: 25th Sep 2002
Total posts: 2617
Posted:Without deviating from the thread too much. I have to say that from what I understand the Al-Samounds were border line illegal anyway, in that once they had warheads on them they wouldn't be outside the limit(I think?). As for skuds, they always knew he probably had about 30, so I can only assume they aren't illegal. As for Sadam being a liar, yes. Every government lies.

I live in a world of infinite possibilities.

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simian
simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London
Member Since: 11th Oct 2002
Total posts: 3149
Posted:NYC commented that despite living in a 'democracy' we don't always do what the majority of people want.
The US, UK and Australia all have systems of government based on democratic election. That doesn't mean we live in a total democracy where the majority decides what is best to do in every case. Would you want to live in a system where that was true? Lynch mobs are true democracy in action.

But this threads more about media now. I've been watching BBC and even they're sickeningly entertainment based. But the public has a 'right to know' apparently. I agree that our government should be held responsible for its actions, but do we need to hear about everything 12 seconds after it happens? (or even the day before it happens in the "What's Going To Happen Next" section). I wouldn't say its actually being presented as entertainment on purpose, but entertainment is all that the media know how to produce these days.

(Anyone UK people watch 'The Day Today' news spoofs written Chris Morris? Highly recommended, particularly the "It's WAR!" episode.)


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:{Waves goodbye as the thread veers off course.}


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:I kinda hoped it wouldn't since there are already more than a few threads debating the war. There are plenty of venues to discuss the morality of the war already.

I'm not upset or anything. I just liked the quick little perspectives that others were giving. Like Dom's "Snuff Porn" analogy which is cute.


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Pele'sWhippingBoy
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Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Member Since: 19th Jun 2001
Total posts: 442
Posted:My little thought of the day:
Why are some of the peace movement members being violent?


FYI: I am not Pele. If you wish to reply to me and use a short version of my name, use: PWB.

English? Who needs that? I'm never going to England. - Homer Jay Simpson

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nigglebyleaf
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Location: Somerset
Member Since: 28th Dec 2002
Total posts: 18
Posted:OHHHHHHHHHHH Think of all the shit we can do with all that oill!!!

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musashii
musashii

starring Skippy the green llama
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 14th Dec 2002
Total posts: 1148
Posted:*thinking of how saddam vows 'Kill the infidels!!', then runs into his underground bunker*

First intention, then enlightenment..
Ars Pyronomica

" Life is programmed. Whether death is programmed or not is yet to be determined."

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Traveling Kyri
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Member Since: 6th Dec 2002
Total posts: 28
Posted:War is kinda like rape porn without the sex....

Situations defined as real are real in their consequences.

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Prometheus
Prometheus

Diamond In The Rough
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Member Since: 30th Jun 2002
Total posts: 459
Posted:I read in a comic the other day that "WAR" is an acronym for We Are Right.

In a twisted, vicious way, that makes sense...


Dance like it hurts; Love like you need money; Work like someone is watching.

Never criticize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you DO criticize them, you are a mile away, and you have their shoes.

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Dio
Dio

HoP Mechanical Engineer
Location: OK, USA
Member Since: 11th Jul 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:In times of tension what gets me is the way the media tailors entertainment to cater to nationalist resentment. Like the (now illegal to show) Bugs Bunny episodes of the WWII era, now we have to deal with mean-spirited satires of the French... a group that until the last few months was a buddy in the geopolitical realm. How can I find this sort of thing funny when I know it was inappropriate not too long ago, and will no doubt be considered inappropriate (like the Bugs toons) in the future?

You'd think with "Freedom Fries" they could at least change the recipe or something, you know... some sort of snappy new potato innovation?


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musashii
musashii

starring Skippy the green llama
Location: Seattle, WA
Member Since: 14th Dec 2002
Total posts: 1148
Posted:I bet zey change ze special sauce..

First intention, then enlightenment..
Ars Pyronomica

" Life is programmed. Whether death is programmed or not is yet to be determined."

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Dan Rather (one of our primier national reporters) just informed me that Iraq is a "dangerous place to be right now". So those of you guys that are planning to hang out there this weekend may want to be extra careful.

(Any Iraqi firespinners should probably switch to lamp oil instead of whitegas at least until the "shock and awe" campaign is over.)


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Dio
Dio

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Location: OK, USA
Member Since: 11th Jul 2002
Total posts: 729
Posted:My random war thoughts of the day revolve around Israel and Palestine, since they've been kind of a side issue lately.

First, we always hear about suicide bombers going into crowded nightclubs in the areas where all their conflicts have gone on.... Why are people going out clubbing if their neighborhood is a war zone?

Second... referencing the frequent killings that go on in those areas, and how small they are in terms of land mass (roughly the size of a US State), how long until the population of one or the other decreases to extinction? I mean, they're picking each other off on a daily basis in groups average size of 5-15 people (usually by suicide bombing), in a tiny spot of land that doesn't have many high-rise buildings (not very populated). How long until one wipes the other out?


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Cassandra
Cassandra

Froggie ... Ribbit !!!
Location: Back in Paris... for now !
Member Since: 8th Jun 2001
Total posts: 4224
Posted:total inadequation between the different governement s agendas and what they claim on TV... are they all insulting my intelligence or is it just an illusion ?

"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

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Cassandra
Cassandra

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Location: Back in Paris... for now !
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Total posts: 4224
Posted:ANd by the way... is it true that americans will rename French Fries ; free fries cause we are against war ???

is it ???

either way that was the funniest thing I ever heard today

shine on
Cassandra


"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

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Meenik
Meenik

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Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Member Since: 7th Nov 2001
Total posts: 272
Posted:Actually, many more people are killed by car accidents in Israel each year than bombings. And Israel is the size of a very small state. Vermont, perhaps. Tiny. A former girlfriend of mine is going there soon for her brother's barmitzfa (I've no idea how to spell that.) I'm a bit concerned.

"They're interdimensional fractal intelligences. That's why they wear funny shoes."

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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Absolutely True Cassandra! The House of Representatives' cafeteria started it in Washington DC (I think) but it's very much true and most everyone is talking about it. It made the front page of the New York Times. There is some pretty serious Anti-French sentiment going around on behalf of the hawks and Pro-French sentiment on behalf of the doves.

Heck we even sucessfully kicked Nomad out of the country.

Oh, and I've been telling my friends who see photos of you that you're English, I wouldn't want to seem unpatriotic by being friends with a French girl. You don't mind do you?


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NYC
NYC

NYC
Location: NYC, NY, USA
Member Since: 26th Aug 2001
Total posts: 9232
Posted:Oh and they are Freedom Fries.

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Cassandra
Cassandra

Froggie ... Ribbit !!!
Location: Back in Paris... for now !
Member Since: 8th Jun 2001
Total posts: 4224
Posted:ROFL... No i do not mind NYC... I show pictures of you saying : hey this is "Jose" my friend from Venezuela (see, I too am not lying about which continent you come from ... )

Off to munch on some FRITES (we do not care, we never called them French fries anyway for they are originally from belgium

I will be visiting USA end of this year I think (yep yep Tampa and NY if everythign goes well) I kinda hope they will let me in at all ...

shall I start hiding my hideous French accent with a strong kiwi/Oz/scottish/whatever accent ?

Meenik, where is the Bar Mitzvah taking place ? which air company is she flying ? when exactly is it ? I have been over to israel quite a few times where in the news it looked like Israel was in a bad bad situation and I was safe, but this is a special time and I have to say she should think twce and honestly they might even consider postponing the bar Mitsvah... sorry this is TOTALLY off topic my bad...

Shine on
Cass


"I want brown bread... no, that is diesel oil..."
"So I was raised in Europe, where History comes from ..."
"NON !!! La Plume de mon oncle n est pas Bingibangibungi !!!"

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Dom
Dom

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Bristol, UK
Member Since: 19th Dec 2001
Total posts: 3009
Posted:I heard about the french fries thing. So funny, the US government proving so simply ad aptly that's it's a bunch of 3 year olds throwing a collective tantrum.

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Astar
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada.
Member Since: 8th Nov 2002
Total posts: 1591
Posted:Well the renaming of products was actually done on part of major corporations like kraft. It's not like the american government ordered these things to happen. Not that I am defending the american government. Just thought I would set things straight.

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