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certifiedloon
newbie
Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
Total posts: 29
Posted:Been twirling for a few weeks, and I can do butterfly, overhead butterfly, mexican wave, 3beat, chase the sun, and corkscrew.

Now what? I have been using the Home of Poi dvd but everything beyond chase the sun looks outrageously hard!!

The worst is the little low turn - how the *^&$($!!! does that work? Looks like she just turns her wrists over, but that DOESN'T WORK!!! GRR!


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frostypaw
Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Member Since: 28th Jul 2003
Total posts: 643
Posted:The low turn screwed me up for ages too....

To be honest I don't find the order those lessons are in that wise - there are other basic elements you need to learn first - the rest of this post goes with a nod to Michal Kahn's great poi-spinning book which taught me what i needed to suss the turns

The next thing to learn is the reel - when both poi spin in the same direction in front of you, or behind you at shoulder or waist height. It takes a little practise to keep the planes such that your poi don't strike your other hand, but will come, and practising shoulder reels stops it being dull to learn (beat in front beat behind like a corkscrew/windmill but both poi together not one after the other)

and that's how the low turns work - twirling backwards you turn 90degrees left, let both poi do a reel behind you (like Chase the sun, but at waist level this time), then another 90degrees and come out twirling forwards

and there are loads of them - in time, out of time, in front, behind, different directions of spin... i can spend ages just trying variations on that, some seem FAR harder than others, not sure why, but i'm still learning and it's all good
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Forau
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Location: EIndhoven, Holland
Member Since: 23rd Aug 2003
Total posts: 81
Posted:Hm, I on the other hand have some problems with the corcscrew but find the low turn a piece of cake...

I think it is just a way of doing it verry wide first, and then keep practicing untill you can do it "just turning your wrist" style


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Eera
old hand
Location: In a test pit, Mackay
Member Since: 29th May 2003
Total posts: 1107
Posted:If it was easy everyone would be doing it and we wouldn't feel special.

Practise, get a few war wounds and don't be frustrated if it doesn't come immediately. You have the rest of your life to get that 5 beat weave or whatever


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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
Total posts: 29
Posted:Thanks for the advice frostypaw, but I don't know what a reel is!! I can do chase the sun but that doesn't seem to correspond to the turn at all, but yeah like u say eera I'll just have to keep at it, but it just seems so incomprehensible! I have no clue how its done!

Forau, try the corkscrew just with your right hand goin round in front then above you, then when its above just follow it with your left hand. That's how I learnt it anyway - now teach me how to turn!



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Beth
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Miss Whippy
Location: Cornwall & Oxford
Member Since: 3rd Jun 2003
Total posts: 1262
Posted:the chasing the sun move applies because when both poi are beginning the up swing, they both go over your shoulders at the same time and your hands should stay the same distance apart. When both poi go over ur shoulders, that is basically a shoulder reel but instead of extending your arms and going into the down swing of the CTS you just keep your hands up by your ears!
This isnt very articulately explained but i hope you get what i mean, its very difficult to explain poi moves when you dont have a pen and paper!

These kind of connecting moves, reels, turns, etc. are really important so i recommend buying Michal Kahns book on poi spinning, its taught me everything like that so far.

Good luck!


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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
Total posts: 29
Posted:Thanks Beth I kinda get it, and... dah dah, I have got the low turn in the bag, just had to see it done in real life and realise the whole turning your wrists backwards and pausing thing!

I shall now start work on these reels!


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frostypaw
Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Member Since: 28th Jul 2003
Total posts: 643
Posted:i did say...

quote:The next thing to learn is the reel - when both poi spin in the same direction in front of you, or behind you at shoulder or waist height.tis whatcha need to know the book has good diagramms tho


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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
Total posts: 29
Posted:Yeah I wasn't ignoring u frostypaw, I just didn't get reels. I still don't really, I think I need to purchase that book to see some diagrams.

I mean, I can do chase the sun, but I can't see how it would work without the change of direction (ie turning a reel into chase the sun)... I need to see it done really, and its not on dvd!

But -- progress! Just learned one each way with the butterfly, although not too good with my left hand going behind.

Also, I'm baffled by backwards weave, any pointers anyone?



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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
Total posts: 29
Posted:hey i learnt the turn yay! Also today learnt 4beat on the right hand side - can't seem to get it on the left, is it different or am I just being a nobber? I try to copy what i do on the right (with the opposite hands) but it seems wrong

also quite scared cos I just ordered beaming poi - expecting more than a few bruises to come!


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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
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Posted:Actually I'm not even sure which-beat it was! Reading the "what is a beat" section, what I was doing doesn't sound like it. So here's what I did:

3beat weave then on the RHS, instead of bringing my right hand back to the LHS it went under my left wrist which can all the way over and across to the LHS which was then followed by the right hand and went back into 3beat on the LHS..

Can someone let me kno to confirm what I was doin!?

cheers


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Nove
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Location: Cochrane
Member Since: 21st Aug 2003
Total posts: 277
Posted:I think that sounds like the 4-beat weave... 'Least, sounds like what I do.

(Now, just watch, someone will come along and tell you that no, that's not the 4-beat weave, and what are you doing? and I'll need to relearn the 4- and 5-beat weaves because I'm totally clueless.)


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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
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Posted:yeah finally figured out counting the beats and the extra bit on the right hand side makes up for the odd beat, so its 4 horah!

now trying to learn btb weave by crossing btb (yeah i kno, running before i can crawl!) and just keep hitting self in back of head. doh!


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frostypaw
Great balls of fire
Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Member Since: 28th Jul 2003
Total posts: 643
Posted:learn it spinning backwards first i was told... your calves can survive the beating longer

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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
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Posted:yeah that had seemed like it would hurt less but it confused me more! However as I have made zero progress trying it forwards maybe I'll try it in reverse!

thanks for all the help btw frostypaw, do u do this for everyone or am i special??

[ 10. October 2003, 03:31: Message edited by: circleoflight ]


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GottaLoveIt
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Sponge
Location: Stevenage
Member Since: 21st Sep 2003
Total posts: 883
Posted:So, I can do a few moves, but........ how do I do four beat weave? on the right hand side i like what? let my left hand go over the top of my right then pull my right hand to the left? what the hell? My strings end up tangled up around my arms so I can't even move myself to untangle the strings, I have to ask strangers to help me!

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Mr Hands
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Location: Cardiffy, Londony places
Member Since: 28th Aug 2003
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Posted:This might sound like worn out and old advice; but if it hurts when you hit yourself it probably means you're spinning a little fast. Its surprising how slow you can go with a good set of poi, and its easer to run through what you have to do in your mind with more time... and the wrist thing... I don't know if you sorted it all yet but most of moving the poi should be done with the wrist, I don't know if you are flapping your arms around or anything (I'm pretty sure you're not but hey, humour me) but we shouldn't look like we're drowning when we're doing this... I think... maybe I'm wrong.... oh god help me...

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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
Total posts: 29
Posted:Okay... here's the way I learned 4-beat with the help of a guy called Richard from Cheltenham - thanks mate!

[runs off to go and get poi to understand better!]

RH, LH = Right hand, left hand
RHS, LHS = Right hand side, left hand side

When doing 3beat weave: on your RHS your RH poi spins once then goes back across your body over to the LHS. To start 4beat weave you have to stop yourself doing this and convince your RH to stay on the RHS and swing the poi under your left arm.

Now, as you don't know what to do with your left arm yet, the poi will undoubtedly wrap itself around your arm. Don't be disheartened - this is correct!

To avoid this wrapping problem, (this bit is well hard to explain!) as your RH poi swings down and under your left arm, put your wrists together back to back so that your LH is on top of the right (yes you have to reach over really far to wrap the left wrist all the way over the right wrist) and then swing the LH poi down across your body over to the LHS. The RH poi just simply follows the LH, and you should be able to get into weave. You will probably have to move your hips and shoulders especially when you first get it, which seems like a massive movement - this is also right!

I don't know how useful that explaination is, the best way as always with poi is for someone to show you and keep showing you and explaining it constantly!

PS: quick tip, if you have a tiny house like me and need to poi indoors for any reason (such as trying to understand how to explain 4beat), Home of Poi's beginner poi inside the plastic bags they come with are good if you swing them by the drawstring!

PPS: now can someone explain 5beat please!



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certifiedloon
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Location: currently New Zealand
Member Since: 2nd Jun 2004
Total posts: 29
Posted:Nostalgic moment, just looked at my first post and I couldn't do the low turn - awwww!

Hehe, poi is so great, how one minute a move is beyond belief and then you'll get it and go, "what the hell, that's easy!"

big hug for everyone that spins!


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