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colm
colm

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Location: Ireland
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Posted:Literaly. This happened yesterday. Making hyperloops easy for me was all in the kind of poi I was using.

I started to learn this with typical 'comet poi'
i.e thin strings (picture cord usually) and light heads with tails that slowed their travel.

Bad, bad, bad for doing hyperloops. The heads were too light have to be constantly pushed to keep up their momentum. The strings were so thin that it required extremely precise placing of the tangle to even pull off a half assed hyperpoop. (the only word for what I was doing). Finally the were too smooth and didn't grip eachother at the tangle when I pulled on the stings. When you start to nail these hyperloops you'll know what I mean.

I've been trying different things and finally it was the most simple solution that solved the problem. SOCK POI. I used long sports socks(almost knee length) and nice heavy heads (rubber balls), about twice as heavy as a tennis ball. One tight knot just above the ball to keep it pushed down the end and another knot at the top of the sock to hold on to. Just swing like mad for a while to stretch the material a little and voila, my favourite poi after two years of swinging.

Advantages, nice thick grippy 'string', heads keep momentum without bother and you can make new ones in one minute, literally.

It took me two months with the other poi to learn one hyperloop. Yesterday I learned four new one s in an hour. Joy.

Don't ever buy crappy poi again!!!!!


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flid
flid

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Location: Warwickshire
Member Since: 27th Aug 2002
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Posted:Sock poi are way easier to learn hyperloops with

Secondly, once you understand why hyperloops work, you'll suddenly be able to teach yourself loads more. I learnt the outer weave ones but didn't really understand what was happening, so it took ages. A month or 2 later i logically thought through it and once i understood I got a corkscrew and a windmill hyperloop within days with virtually no pain


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christof
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Location: Reading, UK
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Posted:...can u give me ur explanation....it might help me learn them then. *big smiley grin with head to side - vain attempt to look cute*

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Rev
Rev

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Posted:you don't need a knot to hold your weight in your socks down.. centrifugal force will do that... and hackey sacks (or beads in general) weigh the socks down pretty good while at the same time preventing pain from getting hit.. hehe... and yes more weight plus the air resistance does help slow the poi a lot for hyperloops...

how to do a hyperloop? let your poi connect.. (preferably mid chain).. keep your hands still when you do this.. the poi will spin around the new center pivot (where they connected) and you can bring that to the other side and it will unloop itself on the other side...
not a very good descrip but if you want a better one you'll have to searfch hyperloops..


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DeepSoulSheep
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Posted:YEa sock poi do rock. An unintentional best kept secret me thinks...I know I wouldn't believe they any good till I tried them and came to the same conclusions. I think a knot near the head is good though cause it lessens the wind resistance way more.


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DeepSoulSheep
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Posted:Though, I would also add that I find hyperloops easiest to do with tennis balls on the end of string. Tennis ball poi just have so much more speed and the string holds together really well.

Although I can't do them, I can feel hyperloops with extra beats in the tangle are there because the balls spin so fast on contact.

They are also fantastic for airwraps near the handles.


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Kat
Kat

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Posted:Nope - still don't get it! I am dyslexic at understanding what you guys talking about. Take up the poi, spin forwards and *....* I'm lost!

To quote 'this is all very confusing'
Love your new comments underneath your member name James


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laZy
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Location: Somerset...... England
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Posted:Now would ti be easiest to go into a hyperloop from a weave or what?
laZy


as laZy as .....

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DJ Dantana
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Location: Stillwater, Ok. USA
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Posted:the absolute best thing for hyperloops is REALY HEAVY poi heads. they keep momentum. tails are bad. sock poi rule, if they are not streatched out to long. Sock poi litteraly bounce apart as they untangle, making for very clean seperations.



apparently ball chain works good, but I havn't tried it yet. the balls make the chain one long swivle. After about 4 beats of hyperloop, normal chain gets twisted up and inhibits smooth hyperlooping.

Kat, every time you accidentally tangle your poi, you are doing the first half of a hyperloop. The hard part is learning how to untangle smoothly and fluently without a pause


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flid
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Posted:REALY HEAVY

Yea, the gain is in the pain, so just practice with sledge hammers and you'll get it in now time


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soldari
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Posted:I myself just dicovered sock-poi last week. I made me a pair after watching How to (make friends and influence lemmings) cause i was just that inspired! Still working on hyperloops though...

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Lux
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Location: Cornwall/ Brighton, England
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Posted:people keep mentioning 'hyperloops' and i dont have a clue waht your talking about! from the description im imagining deliberatly tangaling poi buy getting them to spin together then spin out..... *shudders* have enough problems keeping them from doing that anyway!

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DJ Dantana
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Location: Stillwater, Ok. USA
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Posted:The "advanced moves" tutorial has a few stuck in for giggles

http://www.flamingsphere.homestead.com/files/dantutorialsmall.wmv
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there was a dedicated hyperloop video, but I can't seem to find it, maybe someone else has it for download....


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frostypaw
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Posted:Hyperloops are...

...knots with style


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MikeIcon
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Posted:I have the danhyperloops video but unfortunately no way to upload it. Though, the dantutorial one has enough hyperloops to keep ya busy for a while anyway. Its a better video IMO.

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flid
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Posted:i got your vids somewhere dantana, can upload them somewhere if you wish

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flid
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Posted:http://video.fire-chains.com/hyperloops/DanHyperloops.avi
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PM me when you have it Dantana


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.Morph.
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Posted:As this thread is called hyperloops made easy, I thought I'd add my post here HELP!!
Dear Poi Moves Agony Aunt,
I've been hyperlooping for about 4 months now, and I've been having hyperloop-chain/sock-wrap-equi-distance-inal problems. When my poi wrap they are always way off centre & causing me heartfelt hyperloop ache!
Is it something to do with my hands? I've tried with the forward & reverse hyperloop having my hands vertically above each other, horizontal & at 6-9(clock stylie) etc?
What can I do?

sliff anyone?


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DJ Dantana
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Posted:not sure what a sliff is, but if it is anything like a spliff, two please, with sugar, and a half a cup o tea... And a butterpie. A butterpie?

uh... what was the question?

Oh yea, practice, practice, and then some more practice. You must focus and visualize your objective. Sometimes it helps to imagine viwing the poi chains from above at the moment of impact, you would see an "X". Focus on getting your hands to be spaced a consistent distance apart and your planes correct for the moments of impact.

It mostly just takes lots of practice.



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coleman
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Posted:quote:Originally posted by FireMorph.:
sliff anyone?



and for the record, i agree with dan


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Deimos
Deimos

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Posted:I recently met a girl with sock poi and asked her to demonstrate a hyperloop for me. She said the sock poi made it easier, but I didn't have any socks so I tried with my chains for a few days to no avail. Then when I was spinning on the water front with others last night, Bobo had some sock poi so I tried to show them a hyperloop, not expecting to succeed at all, but I immidiately got a perfect hyperloop!
Now I just need a set of my own...


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NYC
NYC

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Posted:I recently found that I was getting much cleaner hyperloops if I gave the bottom poi a little 'flick' to speed it up the instant before they crossed. The hand on the bottom's poi tended to be the one that would loose momentum. But this is purely a cosmetic fix once you're already hyperlooping.

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Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]

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.Morph.
.Morph.

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Posted:Thanks for the advice

stokes chin in a pre-practise ponder


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yannicus
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Posted:Hey people

you guys qre cpmplqining thqt the poi heqds lose momentum when they hyperloop, well, my problem is the opposite/ I have too much momentum and the poi heads just spin themselves mad and then tangling occurs.

And, to add to the frustration, the poi heads keep slamming my forearms and get bumped off their otherwise perfect course, or sort of perfect.

anyway, practise practise makes perfect and all that, but i wanna impress people with "stylish knots"

how the hell does dantana do it, those videos are insane



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oli
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Posted:quote:Originally posted by flid:
http://video.fire-chains.com/hyperloops/DanHyperloops.avi


PM me when you have it Dantana ive just downloaded this video and awsome it is tooo.....
im going to learn hyperloops eventually......
but what i was wondering is what the music is, because it has a sample on it that i recognise from somewhere
cant quite remember where though...and its annoying me.
so anyone know where that sample is from or has been used somewhere else

im sorry this is a little off topic.


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They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
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DJ Dantana
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Posted:I have no idea what the song is, but the sound samples are from the original Dune movie, the one that came out in the 1980's...

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oli
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Posted:hmmmmmm.... thank you, its still anoying me because i cant work out where ive heard it before...
o well
i suppose i will live


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They push+pull tactics are driving me loco
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simian
simian

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Posted:*bump*

this is some stuff i reckon about sock poi for tangling:

note: sock poi as i mean it refers to any tube or cone of material with a weight in the end, not just socks smile

i don't like stretchy socks for tangling. Stretchiness does makes them easier to cleanly isolate, as it gives greater margin for error.
However it makes poi much harder to finely control due to the 'bounce'.
Another drawback is too much grip. When stretchy socks tangle, they often get a little more slack around the tangle itself, and the two pieces of material grip onto each other as the weave gets tighter (as in weave of the fabric, not weave as in the move).
as a result, stretchy socks tend to always be a little bit tricker to cleanly untangle.

i reckon that for tangles you want material that grips laterally (so the poi don't slide over each other) but doesn't grip when two pieces of material are pulled away from each other. Velcro poi would be very bad for tangles.

i've found that canvas and flanellette both work really well.

flanellette picks up dirt REALLY fast. But don't bleach flanellette poi, because they'll become terminally ill and eventually disintegrate ubbcrying

slidey materials like, bugger... um... that slidey material. Anyway, they're also cool, but act differently. They slide into and out of the nexus far more easily, which is an extra level of control to play with, but can happen accidentally and just look messy.

One thing about socks is that they aren't so good for tangled buzzsaw stuff, because they get twisted up. Although if you had handles with swivel joints that wouldn't be a problem...


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Jaux
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Posted:Okay, I hope this isn't a stupid question. But how about stretchy socks after they've been stretched to their limit and are no longer "giving"? I just bought some that seem to be quite stretchy (I guess the term is relative) and I did my first bonafide hyperloop smile. I want to be able to do others though i.e. the buzzsaw loop (I got the weave hyperloop going right to left) tongue

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simian
simian

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Posted:if they're still stretchy, then they're stretchy.
if they're not stretchy anymore, then they're not stretchy.

it's not such a big deal though. The differences aren't that dramatic really, and non-stretchy socks are hard to find.

ooh! i forgot, this is good.

if you're socks have a heel (which most do) then that makes your poi a bit bent, which you don't really want. To solve that, twist the ball round in the end of the sock a couple of times, then turn the sock inside out. Repeat until the heel has disappeared.

smile


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Mags The Jedi
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Posted:Slidey materials like parachute silk?

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