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colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
at nyc's request this is my attempt at explaining how to do the most basic of the hyperloops. if anyone can do better (and i'm *sure* you can) please do - the more descriptions, the better.

okay, we start with the trusty old three beat weave.
we are going to put in a hyperloop when the poi are on your right hand side (rhs) and bring it across to the left hand side (lhs) to untangle.
as your left hand comes onto your rhs and you right hand follows, slightly split the planes of your poi so that the right hand poi comes *outside* of the left (ie. further out to the right so that the left would swing under the right armpit if we kept spinning).
keep your arms moving in the motion of the weave but at the same time, separate your hands so that they are about half your string-length away from each other.

here come da tricky bit:

you need to stop moving your hands when your right hand is at 12 o'clock and your left hand at 6 (ie. the top and bottom of a circle) the right poi should be at this point travelling down and pointing away from you (the direction you are facing) and the left poi travelling upwards and behind and away from you (having just passed your right thigh).
now, as the poi pass each other, you need to move your left hand out to the right and your right hand in towards you (to the left), tangling the strings in the process.
ideally you should aim to get the strings to cross at least halfway between the poi head and the handle.
the poi will now be spinning around a new centre where the strings have tangled.
allow each poi to complete one beat 'outside' your arms on the rhs then whip your hands over to the lhs of your body (same sort of pace as if you were doing a fast five-beat weave) making sure to keep the hands' relative distances and positions (ie. @ 12 and 6 and keeping the string taught).
the poi should spin through and end up on the 'outside' of your lhs.
if you get uneven beats on either side or a beat going between your arms you will get a knot from the depths of hell.

if everything has gone to plan, after another beat on this side the strings should separate and leave you free to slip back into a weave or into another hyperloop back the other way.

so that's my best attempt at an explanation i'm afraid.

a few extra tips i think are worth mentioning are firstly, that i tend to give a little 'push' or 'flick' to both poi (ie. speed them up very slightly), just before i tangle the strings. this seems to help carry them through the spin of the smaller circle.
secondly, i have found that to keep the string taught throughout the move, you only need pull with the hand on top (the right hand in the above example). it kinda feels like you're holding up the whole pattern as you pass it to the other side of your body.
in reverse it feels like the bottom hand that keeps the whole thing tight.

as for not having a poi 'die' (stop spinning and succumb to gravity) on the way out, this seemed to just cure itself after a little while - i think pulling the strings against each other slightly on the way out helps, as does swinging your hands quickly back into the weave motion after untangling.

[edit: speeding up *just* the poi that keeps it all stable helps the most i think - just before tangling, accelerate just the top hand for forward hyps or the bottom hand for reverse hyps.]

best of luck to those who are trying to learn off of this complete jumble of words.

coleman out.

[edit: quick note about the counting of this. the above description adds up to two beats. bringing the poi back to the rhs after the hyperloop has untangled will add another two beats, hence the whole move (a weave with a hyperloop on one side) will add up to 4bts. some people will only count the tangled beats, others will count from when strings touch to when they separate - these people are just mad ]

[ 17. July 2003, 00:11: Message edited by: coleman ]

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bluecatgeek, level 1
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Posted:
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I started out suing isolations and then stopped after finding it was easier to do it without them...



eek ubblol ubblol ubblol


did you win?

or did they settle?


hehe


R wink

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RevBRONZE Member
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Posted:
settled out of court... they didn't want the humilating media attn that would be brought to a case in america these days...



go warped judicial systems..



spank <--me

^-- them



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arashiPooh-Bah
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Location: austin,tx


Posted:
just popping in here without reading the whole thread... spank
i think you guys are wasting your time. sorry rolleyes

glass pegged it when he mentioned that you don't have to enter from a weave.

there's more airwraps. even this particular kind you're calling hyperloops, you can enter from any move where you hands are that far apart, you guys haven't broken it down far enough yet and that will become evident soon. my suggestion... just count the times it rotates while it's in the "tangle"(<=== neutral term wink) if you need numbers. smile

i'm off to eat some tofurkey tongue

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bluecatgeek, level 1
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Posted:
wasting their time? i disagree. not a helpful thing to say...
finding the entries that are all over the place just takes time and perseverance.

R

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bluecatgeek, level 1
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Posted:
and anyway.

i've found in turning and multiple beat hyperloops i don't need to count anymore.

cause it feels different if it wants to exit. and if not then it just keeps going....

ps also guilty of not reading rest of thread... spank

R

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arashiPooh-Bah
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Location: austin,tx


Posted:
rrrr... uhhh... i meant counting the beats added on to a weave to describe a hyperloop. i believe, a quite useful suggestion, a hint even, i wasn't trying to sound like i was shooting down. frown
i did read that part of the thread umm spank beerchug

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bluecatgeek, level 1
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Posted:
ok.

i'll agree with you there.

'basic' and 'multi beat' does it for me.

beerchug


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DeepSoulSheepGOLD Member
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Posted:
That's not what I'm talking about though. rolleyes You isolate and keep it tangled in buzzsaw position in definitely.

Would a 180 turn be where you tangle for example on the right and turn right 180 to the other side to untangle, as opposed to tangling right and moving back to the left to untangle...

I don't think anyones arguing about beats on this thread anymore, well I certaqinly don't want to... ubbangel

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bluecatgeek, level 1
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Posted:
t's'ok.

just a post increasng misunderstanding wink

180 degrees to me implies you start in forwards and end up in reverse. or vice versa of course.


those indefinites are hard. isolations have to be nailed to keep it there.

much easier to get multibeat by moving it around methinks

coolR

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RevBRONZE Member
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Posted:
arashi- arms don't even have to be apart to start a hyper loop... I start plenty of them from a wrap position... I won't go into that right now...

jafar- 180 if you are asking as I meant it above, refers to either
a) tangling on the right and turning right 180
b) starting on the right and going throught the middle out left and then turn 180 and keep going through middle out the left side, or
c) starting on the right into middle, turn 180, exit left....

bluecat- I agree that multi-beat are easier by mving around... just let it enter and exit at different times to get different length hyperloops, which usually involves turning and such to continue momentum..

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arashiPooh-Bah
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Posted:
ubblol whoooops
"open foot insert mouth"
sorry, guess i's about a month behind... far be it from me to restart a count argument... wink
sorry i won't pop in like that again kiss



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Posted:
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Posted:
You're not alone there soupy - sounds like I'm struggling with the same points. It doesn't feel quite right tangling vertically, and never seems to untangle. MAybe it's the kind of chain I'm using (it doesn't like to twist much at all)?

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simian110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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Posted:
soupy - you can tangle horizontally or vertically, and with either hand high or low.



Coleman was just describing one type of tangle, which he considers the easiest (and i agree). If you find it easier to tangle horizontally, which lots of people do, then go for it.



Your hands should stay in the same alignment and move across your body like they're connected by invisible scaffolding. Don't rotate them at all.



make sure the poi don't do any beats inbetween your arms while moving them. The heads should move from the left of both arms to the right of both arms at the same time. Not past the left arm first, and then past the right arm.



Don't get demoralised. It's really tricky to start off with. Especially if you don't have anyone to watch doing it.



Also the poi that you use can make things much easier, or much more difficult. Like FiregeeKs noticed, ordinary chain is pretty tricky to tangle with. i highly recommend learning with fairly heavy balls (like juggling balls) inside long non-stretchy socks.



my final words of advice: go slow, and examine the tangles that don't untangle to find out why they didn't smile

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Posted:
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long non-stertchy socks.




He means stretchy

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JauxBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Thank you Simian. I'm going to keep on trying! I've been using ballchain- maybe I'll try to use something different to see if that makes a difference.

Joy

simian110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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Posted:
ballchain should work fine smile
i think learning isolations helps, but Dom says i'm wrong, so i might be confused

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."


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Posted:
Thanks for that simian - I'll have another try this evening after work *digs out his socks* smile

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JauxBRONZE Member
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Posted:
FG, I just discovered the "Hyperloops made easy. It's all in the poi" thread. Have you seen it? It recommends using sock poi to do this move. I'm gonna go out and make me some as soon as I get out of class. (Damn! Can I make it 2 hours? ubbrollsmile)



Joy



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simian110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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Posted:
check out the [Old link] too if you haven't already smile

*wanders off to post on the "it's all in the poi" thread...*

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."


spiralxveteran
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Location: London, UK


Posted:
Quote:

ballchain should work fine smile
i think learning isolations helps, but Dom says i'm wrong, so i might be confused



Well isolations are good for learning moves where your hands need to be a constant distance apart, so I reckon they might make learning hyperloops a bit easier. Not hugely though wink

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simian110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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Posted:
ubblol

the names are all messed up.

inner hyperloop is the same as tangled buzzsaw

airwrap is used to mean, well pretty much anyone wants it to mean rolleyes

i call the ones inside your arms pinwheel style 'airwraps' but generally avoid doing so on this board for reasons of confusion...

They're exactly the same as the hyperloop you've learnt, but horizontal rather than vertical, and instead of the poi going from one side of your arms and body to the other side, they simply go from one side of your arms to the other, staying in front of the body.

its easiest to tangle nearish the heads, and to do so at a slight angle, so both poi are pointing a little bit away from you. Then when they tangle, pull them in towards you, and they'll untangle nicely. Well, they should... wink

You can do them from inside your arms to outside too, but i find that quite a bit trickier.

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."


JauxBRONZE Member
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Posted:
*delayed reaction* Thank you Simian. Terminology had me confused for a while but I think I've sorted that out. I'll give this a try wink

colmPorn Appreciator
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Location: Ireland


Posted:
There's allways that little h-loop right down at the end by the heads.

It resolves itself - no need for any crossing over of sides.

Lets break it down.

Doing the windmill (weave/cross-n-follow in the wall plane) do a separation.
If i'm spinning clockwise, I seperate the left hand poi towards my left shoulder and the right hand poi towards my right hip.
If I were to draw a line from my left to right hand it would be diagonal across my body.

A separation is where you separate your hands on one side of the weave so your hands are no longer going around eachother, and put enough distance between them so you can swing the poi in circles on the same plane without crossing them.

With your poi in this configuration let them cross very close to the heads and keep the string tight. They will do one revolution about the nexus (point of tangle) and unwrap.

I usually place the nexus about 3/4 - 4/5 of the way down the string. The closer to the centre you get the slower the loop about the nexus and the more chance you have of it not self untangling.

When you get on this plane try applying to all other planes, horizontal and vertical.
And then try linking them.

Sln go foil!
Colm

(That's Irish btw)

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BlackassBlueass
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Location: Edinburgh badger set


Posted:
Mr Bluecat and I discovered that you can use that airwrap right up by the poi heads to change to butterly with a wee bit of a tug

weavesmiley

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simian110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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Location: London


Posted:
Airwraps are what London poiple generally call those simple stationary wallplane tangles.

IMO they're a little harder to learn than the simple hloop Cole describes.

Blackass: been doing similar smile if you could expand [Old link] it'd be appreciated angel2

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."


colemanSILVER Member
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Posted:
yep smile

that used to be an airwrap that did.
i call it a 'static airwrap' now or just 'airwrap' still cos it was the first one i learnt wink

there's also the whole point about them tangling in the outside plane and untangling in the inside plane on the same side (between arms and body), or they can go from inside to outside on the same side, or even from one outside plane to the opposite outside plane (which would be the 'hyperloop' described at the start of this thread).

and its for exactly that reason that i consider all of those tangles to be analogous to each other.
so nowdays, i call all of these airwraps, but that is just personal preference.

usually unwrap more consistently if the poi are on planes that are a very slight 'v' shape.
but don't tell anyone i told you to do that to your planes... wink

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simian110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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Posted:
i knew it was someone's fault my planes are rubbish now mad2

"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."


BlackassBlueass
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Location: Edinburgh badger set


Posted:
Probably better to get blue(green) to descibe them as he has a better idea at what's going on with them than I do.

Got some sweet airwraps with flags last night - very pretty ubblove

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