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Midkiff
BRONZE Member since Nov 2009

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Location: Carmi, Illinois, USA

Total posts: 462
Posted:i was just wondering has anyone ever tried to use electro luminescent for poi cord?

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Icarus Forde
BRONZE Member since Apr 2010

Icarus Forde

Just Icarus//Spinner//Pyro//Geek
Location: New Zealand

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Posted:Interesting concept there... My only issues would be with connection strength, both electrically and physically.

Depending on the poi that you're spinning, you can be pulling quite a bit of centripetal force... This makes it paramount that you have a decent connection between your poi and the cords. If one spins off, and catches someone in the head (or the crown jewels), then it's safe to say that they're going to try and hurt you. Twice. tongue2

So the first thing would be ensuring that you can get a good, strong connection going that's not going to break or come apart easily. The second thing that would worry me is the power pack and the electric connections to the cords. How were you thinking about getting these to light up? You'd have to run a wire from each to a battery pack (most EL runs at about 10 volts, i believe), so that's got to be factored in. There's the weight of the power pack if you're going to be spinning with them as well, and the repeated spinning and twisting can weaken the connections as well.

Sure, you're not going to feel anything under 60 volts if it does come loose, but if you're dealing with fuel and there's the potential to make sparks.... Could end badly.

The last thing that came to me as I was typing this is the actual wires themselves. What are they made of? If you're spinning with fire, then are they going to melt/stretch/distort? If you're spinning with LED poi, that should be fine, but the material itself may not have a heat rating high enough to withstand flame... And of course, the fuel as well - will it dissolve/erode/weaken the structure of the wire?

All things to consider.

Something I did think of as I was writing this was a bit of fibre optic tubing. Think of the fibre optic ornaments that you get at the dollar shop or whatever, where you can see the light in the cords. If you could somehow wind that through a standard chain, maybe weave or plait it into the links, then it has the potential to look very cool. Plus, they could run off a low voltage LED (cold operation as well) and a smaller battery than a 10 volt powerpack. Could be worth looking into. smile


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SpinnerofDetroit
GOLD Member since Oct 2009

SpinnerofDetroit

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Location: Trenton, MI, USA

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Posted:You could use the battery pack/light as a handle maybe wink

The only luck is bad luck.

Shut up before I stall my poi up your ass grin

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Midkiff
BRONZE Member since Nov 2009

shadow stranger
Location: Carmi, Illinois, USA

Total posts: 462
Posted:well i am only thinking of doing it with led poi fire is out o the question the only thing i am having difficulty trying to work out is how to loop the wire back on itself to attach the poi to it and i have no idea what it is made of i was just browsin around at things earlier and thought it would look amazing but the fiber optic tubing that is a awesome idea and would actually allow me to loop it back but may cause a problem attaching it to the poi but a swivel may fix that problem but not certain yet will have to research further and thanks for all the info and thanks again for any future info all

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Icarus Forde
BRONZE Member since Apr 2010

Icarus Forde

Just Icarus//Spinner//Pyro//Geek
Location: New Zealand

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Posted:If you wanted to cinch it back onto itself in a loop like they do with steel cables, sorta like this:


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Of course, that depends on how strong the material is, and I'd almost be inclined to do multiple loops and more than one clamp if you're going to hold it. smile


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Charlie Fox
PLATINUM Member since Jun 2006

Charlie Fox

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Location: West Auck, NZ, New Zealand

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Posted:I've seen this done by feeding it down a length of PVC tubing, the PVC tube takes the load rather than the EL wire.

Remember though EL wires is not designed to be 'worked' it's designed for a static installation, it would probably work fine as long as you avoided anything that will cause it to bend lots like Hyperloops etc.

If you look inside the EL wire you'll see why, they generally have 3 - 5 very fine wires spiral wrapped around the length of it, if some or all of these break it will lesson or stop the glow...


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ThelemicPotter
SILVER Member since Aug 2007

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Location: Buffalo NY, USA

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Posted:Charlie is right, there's no way EL wire will support weight. Even with the tubing, these are going to be VERY delicate and probably not going to last more then a few runs, any sort of bending will ruin the wire. Oh, and good luck with the swivel issues. To be honest, it seems like an expensive and not particularly worthwhile endeavor.

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willworkforfoodjnr
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Posted:I had a play with this a while back, running it parallel to a chain. The effect was just about visible but not enough to be worth the hassle IMHO. If you really really want the effect, get some glowclubs and spin them.

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ryan_crownover
BRONZE Member since Aug 2008

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Location: , USA

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Posted:i tryed something like this and it cracked the el wire making the rest the wire not work after the crack

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