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Mt.Ngauruho (aka Mount Doom), New Zealand
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Continued from the US Education thread...

How do we decide what words to use anymore in the PC world? I'm talking about black, coloured, retard etc etc.

In Medicine, I was learning about skulls and learnt it as Negroid, Caucasoid and Mongoloid +/- Australoid.
Later I used the term Mongoloid and was severly told off because you're not allow to use the term Mongoloid because it has non-PC connitations for Downs syndrome...
But these terms are still helpful in Forensic Anthropolgy...
So, someone decided to call Down's Syndrome people "Mongs" and it caught on and suddenly, the term Mongoloid wasn't allowed to be used anymore.

Same with Retard. Retardate was a word used in Medicine for many years (and still is with the STYCAR) , then people started to use the term "retard" derogatively. SO retard was struck off the language.

I can definietly understand how words like 'coloured' are offensive. Coloured creates an us and other polarisation.

The word 'black' has historical meaning... but if it didn't, would it still be offensive? Travelling in Africa, I got called "whitey". Is this racist? is it not racist because it doesn't have historical meaning and links to slavery and oppression?

Will we ever be able to 'claim' these words back?
i.e. can doctors use retardate again?
Or maybe can we decide that retardate ISN'T used to describe disabled/differently abled individuals and then youngsters are allowed to call each other 'retard' because it has taken on a whole new meaning in their language?

The word idiot had a similar history, being used to describe someone who was mentally deficient/differently abled (hell, even I don't know what terms to use) but now, most people could use idiot without someone saying "Hey, my borhter has a mental deficiency, I find that offensive" like would happen with the word retard.

Same goes for 'gay'.

When can we use these words? Should they be taken out of the language all together? Are they offensive if we use then in their original meaning i.e. retardate?

Mt.Ngauruho (aka Mount Doom), New Zealand
natasqiaddict
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Originally Posted By: Pyrolific ^ given its racism that creates the situation in which politically correct people give these special perks its kinda difficult to label the solution as also racist.

By that thinking it would be racist to set up a taskforce to deal with the racist attacks on Indian students in Australia.

Or sexist to set up a women's shelter etc etc




See I think 'women's shelter' is discrimination... Why not 'victims of domestic abuse' shelter?

I dont know enough about the attacks on the Indian students to really comment... Are the attacks racist or just opportunist? Do Indian students walk home alone more often in dodgy areas? Maybe where the attacks are occuring is a mainly Indian student living area...
I think any task force would be about stopping all atacks. If a 'white' person was attacked in the same area, its not like the task force would ignore them and say "oh, it cant be related"...

What do people think of 'women only' and 'men only' clubs/tours etc...


I don't think there should be actual equality regarding sexes.. i.e. a business should be forced to hire as many females as males etc.
I think that there should be equal opportunity, i.e. if a female has the same skills, experience etc then there is nothing stopping her from being chosen for the job...

I think the current "only 1% of CEOs in Australia are women" kinda stance by 'feminists' isn't really about sexism... My mum's age is who is CEOS at the moment and my mum chose between teacher, nurse or secretary... So of course there would be less CEOS now...
But I think the possibility for female CEOs in the future isnt being stopped or hindered by sexism. You can get into uni, study business, work from the ground up in a company...
I'm a bit anti-feminist in that i dont think that you can be expected to be treated the same if you have kids... i.e. an employer has two employees, one being a women with kids, one being a women/man without kids... It is likely that the woman with kids will need to look after them more, not be able to stay late if the business needs it, have sick days to look after kids etc...
Having chosen career over kids, I think that women who chose kids over career cannot expect to be considered at the same level seeing as they have different priorities...

ANy now I will be bashed by all the females on the board...https://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/default/duck.gif

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Posted:
Melbourne has men's shelters. And I'm with Nat in not understanding enough about the attacks on Indian students. There was an Indian student in my area who complained of racially motivated attacks - but, ah, well, you see, my city is pretty damn dodgy and violent and every weekend there are severe assaults (including sexual) so I'm disinclined to think the attack was racially motivated and was more "Geelong is a total hole and rather scummy and if you walk alone at night you're a bit of a git" motivated. tongue2

And while I'm agreeing with Nat, I completely get your point about the CEOs. And I don't think that it's anti feminism. Then again, I see feminism as having a choice, rather than "women can do everything better blah blah".

Hehe, I had a rant on facebook about a women's only tour the other week...

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


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Posted:
Theres feminists and those that take it too far who I just decided I might refer to as anti-phallist facists or similar.

I'd agree with your comment about Geelong but only within the CBD at night and beyond that its like anywhere else. The pubs and clubs too regularly over serve and there are too many that think they are too big for a 'small' town... I've been asked if I was flipping someone off when he'd greeted me and I'd returned the greeting with a slight wave.

This is Geelong and not Melbourne though, Melbourne has a significantly higher proportions of minority groups in general, I guess that appears more threatening.

More on topic comments when I have time. smile

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Posted:
Originally Posted By: Mother_Natures_SonTheres feminists and those that take it too far who I just decided I might refer to as anti-phallist facists or similar.



Good Call

The further you get into the actual mechanics of how political correctness actually functions, the closer you'll see it resembles religious fundamentalism and as such, is subject to Poe's Law

Most of the political correctness we deal with in everyday life is a light, sanitized version and if you used terms like "reverse racism" around the hardcores, you'd quickly find them planting a stake into the ground and piling faggots around it to dispense with you and your incorrect ideology.

Political correctness can be distilled down to vital essence in one simple phrase....White people suck.

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Hey man, I had my friend, Copy Paper, over when i opened this and he got offended that you said he was boring and plain.

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A-Dome, Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted:
Originally Posted By: StoutPolitical correctness can be distilled down to vital essence in one simple phrase....White people suck.

Wow, that's pretty much how I explained it to my black family laugh3

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


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Posted:
ooh this is on topic

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


Zephyre PhoenixFamiliar stranger giving out popcorn. (formerly Ascilith)
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Posted:
Interesting article. Didn't have time for the whole thing, But from what I read, it brings an interesting angle on the topic. Not sure just what to say on it yet. As far as I know, men's only clubs are falling from popluarity though. Perhaps a solution, or a stab at one, men's only or women's only clubs required to have a side for both (aka a men's only club must also be backed close by with a women's only) Or vice versa.

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Posted:
What would be the female equivalent of Freemasonry? WI? lol

I may lack virtue, but Im penitent


faith enfireBRONZE Member
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Posted:
Originally Posted By: Pyrolificcontext is everything. School yard vs Hospital for eg. Mechanic's shop vs city street, friend you've known for years vs a stranger etc etc



J

the thread can end here
think discourse and specialized language

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Posted:
Originally Posted By: This Jaded FleshWhat would be the female equivalent of Freemasonry? WI? lol

what? Wisconsin and freemasonry-what'd I miss?

Faith
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Zephyre PhoenixFamiliar stranger giving out popcorn. (formerly Ascilith)
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Posted:
Haha everything.

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Posted:
Originally Posted By: faithinfireOriginally Posted By: This Jaded FleshWhat would be the female equivalent of Freemasonry? WI? lol

what? Wisconsin and freemasonry-what'd I miss?

faithinfire: WI = Women's Institute. A bizarre bit of Englishness.

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Posted:
I thought WI had spread to the USA.

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A-Dome, Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted:
Opinion piece relating to the single sex clubs

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


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The Nearest gym to me is "women only" which is very frustrating as the nearest gender free gym is much more expensive and doesn't have a pool and is missing other quality facilities. All this just so women can exercise without the worry of being judged by what they look like when they are trying to change what they look like. Because of course the reason I want to go to the gym is to look at tousled, sweaty women and tell them how unattractive they are. Not to get fit myself that would be ludicrous.

Surely they would be better having a fat person only gym so fat people wouldn't be discouraged by the statuesque. I'm sure women are more likely to judge other women on how they look than men are. I've met women - they can be so harsh wink

(Sorry, am I allowed to say fat in the PC thread?)

A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.


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Posted:
Mynci: I think for the purposes of keeping to the PC'ness of the thread, then fat should technically be "Overweight" but it's not as if saying "Overweight" makes it sound any better! Or large for that matter.
Though if it was taken less seriously then you could say, for example "That bobby is quite the man of substance" rather than saying "Bob's fat" (^_^)

Also. For all your political correct wording needs, you can consult...
The Politically Correct Dictionary (^_^)
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Mt.Ngauruho (aka Mount Doom), New Zealand
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Posted:
Speaking of fat discrimination.. i will point you all the


The Gruen transfer is an Aussie show all about advertising. and they have advertising companies come on and they give them challenges.

The challenge here was to promote 'fat pride'.

When I watched this on the net (the ABC decided not to screen it because of obvious reassons) I thought "That is a brilliant ad."

I think out of ALL the different forms of discrimination, fat discrimination is the most accepted. And whie people will get uptight abiout correct words for race... not many people will stop someone telling a fat joke.

What do you think?

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Posted:
Yeah I don't get the gym thing. Especially considering if you play a sport then men are going to be watching you. Not to mention women being just as harsh judges as well! Oh yeah, and what has already been said about people going to gyms to improve themselves and not judge others.

I'd never* join a women's only gym.


*unless it was for completely financial reasons given my lack of employment

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...


Zephyre PhoenixFamiliar stranger giving out popcorn. (formerly Ascilith)
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Posted:
I aggree. Fat people, (People of substance?) Haven't had historical trouble, revolutions, and things like that, Even though their weight might not be all their fault. Though I think it's accepted because being fat is generally considered a personal problem, not something that's caused genetically or that can be considered discriminate. And It's not really right either. But also fat people even tend to tell fat jokes. As a whole, people don't tell fat jokes to fat people and fat people tend not to care or tend not to do anything about it if they are being made fun of. Low self-esteem for fairly obvious reasons. Fat people are the most easily bullied of the world in general. Unfortunately. Would you aggree?

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Zephyre PhoenixFamiliar stranger giving out popcorn. (formerly Ascilith)
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Posted:
And to rougie: Yeah, women's only gym does seem kind of pointless and annoying. Just frusterating and causes more problems than solutions id say.

Never take candy from strangers...... But popcorn is okay!


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Posted:
I'm fat and I've developed a pretty thick skin (heh) over the course of my life. Plus we stay warmer tongue2

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Is it wrong if I call my overweight cat 'Fatty'? I don't think he can understand English tho?

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And what about Durbs? can I call him Fatty too?

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Pyrolific - you, you fu*ck yoooooo!!!

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