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I suppose what I’m saying is that it’s time to overcome that program that says everyone needs to have a gun, just like we did with fire. We have been shooting and bombing each other for a longtime now. Somewhere along the line, we need to overcome the “gun” to move on. As we overcame the fear of fire.
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Like many early horror stories about ultra-violent New Orleans natives, whether in their home city or in far-flung temporary shelters, the A.P. article turned out to be false. Evacuation from the city of New Orleans was never "halted," according to officials from the Coast Guard, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and the Louisiana National Guard. The only helicopter airlifts stopped were those by a single private company, Acadian Ambulance, from a single location: the Superdome. And Acadian officials, who had one of the only functional communications systems in all of New Orleans during those first days, were taking every opportunity to lobby for a massive military response.
More important, there has been no official confirmation that a single military helicopter over New Orleans--let alone a National Guard Chinook in the pre-dawn hours of September 1--was fired upon. "I was at the Superdome for eight days, and I don't remember hearing anything about a helicopter getting shot at," says Maj. Ed Bush, public affairs officer for the Louisiana Air National Guard. With hundreds of Guard troops always on duty inside and outside the Superdome before, during, and after Hurricane Katrina, if there had been gunfire, "we would have heard it," Bush maintains. "The instant reaction over the radio would have been overwhelming."
The Air Force, to which the Air National Guard reports, also has zero record of helicopter sniping. "We investigated one incident and it turned out to have been shooting on the ground, not at the helicopter," Air Force Maj. Mike Young told The New York Times on September 29.
Aside from the local National Guard, the other government agency with scores of helicopters over New Orleans was the U.S. Coast Guard, which rescued more than 33,000 people. "Coast Guard helicopters," says spokeswoman Jolie Shifflet, "were not fired on during Hurricane Katrina rescue operations."
How about the Civil Air Patrol (CAP), the all-volunteer, Air Force�assisting network of around 58,000 private Cessna pilots, 68 of whom flew a total of 833 aid missions after the hurricane? "To my knowledge," says CAP Public Affairs Manager Jim Tynan, "none of our pilots on any Katrina-related mission were taking ground fire."
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(...)That doesn't mean that people weren't shooting at helicopters. As Lt. Comdr. Tim Tobiasz, the Coast Guard's operations officer for New Orleans airspace, told me, "It's tough to hear in a helicopter. You have two turbine engines....I don't know if you could hear a gunshot below." And the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms arrested a 21-year-old man in the Algiers neighborhood of New Orleans on September 6 for firing a handgun out his window while helicopters flew nearby. (...)
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In time it became clear that the police superintendent's gun-confiscation order stood on shaky legal ground. The National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment Foundation challenged the order in federal court. On September 12 the court issued a restraining order against the New Orleans Police Department. No more guns could be confiscated, but the guns that had already been confiscated would not be returned to their rightful owners. - [url=https://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/0506r/#homeofpoi -- irc.newnet.net Come talk to us we're bored
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In 1998 alone, licensed firearms dealers sold an estimated 4.4 million guns, 1.7 million of which were handguns. Additionally, it is estimated that 1 to 3 million guns change hands in the secondary market each year, and many of these sales are not regulated (Brady).
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ASSAULT WEAPONS
Are there limitations on assault weapons and magazines? No
No state restriction on the sale or possession of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons like the AK47 and Uzi. Assault weapons are as easy to buy as hunting rifles. No restriction on the sale or possession of rapid-fire ammunition magazines that can fire up to 100 bullets without reloading. Federal law does prevent the sale of some assault weapons and rapid-fire magazines manufactured after 1994, but the federal law will sunset in 2004 unless Congress and President Bush renew it.
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The purpose of the act is to prevent firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable for crimes committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions that they are directly responsible for.
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62% of victims of firearm homicides in their home kept a firearm in their home. After adjusting for other factors (such as a police-report history of violence in the home, a convicted felon in the home, drug or alcohol abuse in the home, race, etc.) there remained an independent 2.7 times increase in risk of homicide, specifically associated with a firearm in the home; this risk was not attributable to any particular "high risk" subgroup(s) identifiable by the above factors but was evident to some degree in all subgroups.
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In the first edition of More Guns, Less Crime, published in May 1998, Lott wrote that "national surveys" suggested that "98 percent of the time that people use guns defensively, they merely have to brandish a weapon to break off an attack. Critics challenged the statistic, and in the book's second edition, the phrasing was changed to indicate that the percentage came from a study Lott himself had conducted. Critics then contended that he didn't actually perform the study, and when asked for proof, Lott responded that a bookcase fell on his computer and the documentation of the study was lost
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I was shocked by the Katrina footage I saw live. I don’t understand why a sophisticated country like the United States still has such a Neanderthal approach to controlling gun violence. After all, this is the 21-Century. And, why with a few exceptions (like faith has pointed out), has America has gone completely gun crazy!
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The Second Amendment does not say individuals have the right to bear arms in self defense. No, it declares a well regulated militia as "being necessary to the security of a free State". It’s about the security of a free State.
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The NRA argument that ordinary people carrying hidden weapons would actually reduce the nation's soaring crime rates is unfounded.
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As second hand sales are not restricted or regulated in many states, the path for a criminal to "legally" obtain a gun is wide open. I do believe that it's not only existing laws that need to get enforced, I do also believe that laws need to be adjusted. When looking at the gun laws in Oregon for example, it appears to me that ppl like Chow would be able to get a gun, without having to stroll the backalleys and get in touch with the tough guys and without background check. It (to me) seems like a very unhealthy mix - certainly because humans are what they are: human, emotional, affective, erroneous - and I wouldn't want them any other way...
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So...in theory..as an out of state resident, an out of country resident even, could I simply answer a newspaper ad and get myself a handgun in some/all states? And if so, would there be any penalties were I found in possession of it?
What might happen if I were found to be carrying a handgun? Not concealed, but suppose I were pulled over by the police for something unrelated like speeding and the gun was sitting on the front seat of my car?
It's my understanding that an uzi is a machine gun ( class 3 ) which, this thread explains as being heavily restricted. Is the Brady campaign off base here by suggesting I can buy one as an assault weapon, is there a semi automatic version that they may be referring to ?
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And here I am with Stout, questioning Bradies' interpretation of semi-automatic - does he simply refer to "self loading"? A "fully automatic" is a gun that fires - as long as the trigger is pulled - all it's ammo in one burst. A "semi-automatic" usually demands to pull the trigger every time.
Since the AK47 as the UZI each have a "single fire" and a "full-auto fire" setting, but are reloading automatically - they seem to be both: full and semi automatic.
The term "assault weapon" again is confusing. The term was derived and adopted from German and refers to a certain, military style weapon. Well both, the AK47 and the UZI are military style weapons. But (according to Brady) they are available in Virginia, as the Bush administration has not renewed it. Please, Lurch - tell me if I'm wrong on this one.
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"The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel."
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It is illegal to sell to anyone you know cannot legally own a weapon. ie you cannot sell to a felon. Do you check the driving record and license status of someone when you sell them a car?
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Guns in Homes Strongly Associated with Higher Rates of Suicide
Suicidal Acts Using Firearms Highly Lethal Compared to Other Means
For immediate release: Tuesday, April 10, 2007
Boston, MA -- In the first nationally representative study to examine the relationship between survey measures of household firearm ownership and state level rates of suicide in the U.S., researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) found that suicide rates among children, women and men of all ages are higher in states where more households have guns. The study appears in the April 2007 issue of The Journal of Trauma.
"We found that where there are more guns, there are more suicides," said Matthew Miller, Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management at HSPH and lead author of the study.
Suicide ranks as one of the 15 leading causes of death in the U.S.; among persons less than 30 years old, it is one of the top three causes of death. In 2004, more than half of the 32,439 Americans who committed suicide used a firearm.
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States With Higher Levels of Gun Ownership Have Higher Homicide Rates
For immediate release: January 11, 2007
Boston, MA -- Firearms are used to kill two out of every three homicide victims in America. In the first nationally representative study to examine the relationship between survey measures of household firearm ownership and state level rates of homicide, researchers at the Harvard Injury Control Research Center found that homicide rates among children, and among women and men of all ages, are higher in states where more households have guns. The study appears in the February 2007 issue of Social Science and Medicine. https://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.socscimed.2006.09.024
Matthew Miller, Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Injury Prevention at Harvard School of Public Health, and his colleagues David Hemenway and Deborah Azrael, used survey data from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s 2001 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, the world’s largest telephone survey with over 200,000 respondents nationwide. Respondents in all 50 states were asked whether any firearms were kept in or around their home. The survey found that approximately one in three American households reported firearm ownership. (...)
Analyses that controlled for several measures of resource deprivation, urbanization, aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, and alcohol consumption found that states with higher rates of household firearm ownership had significantly higher homicide victimization rates for children, and for women and men. In these analyses, states within the highest quartile of firearm prevalence had firearm homicide rates 114% higher than states within the lowest quartile of firearm prevalence. Overall homicide rates were 60% higher. The association between firearm prevalence and homicide was driven by gun-related homicide rates; non-gun-related homicide rates were not significantly associated with rates of firearm ownership.
These results suggest that it is easier for potential homicide perpetrators to obtain a gun in states where guns are more prevalent. “Our findings suggest that in the United States, household firearms may be an important source of guns used to kill children, women and men, both on the street and in their homes,” said Miller.
This study was supported by the Joyce Foundation.
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Secondhand sales are determined by the individual state. It is illegal to sell to anyone you know cannot legally own a weapon. ie you cannot sell to a felon. Do you check the driving record and license status of someone when you sell them a car? Come on, this goes to personal responsibility, private sales have far more discretion on who they sell to and don't than a store. I'll agree that second hand sales can be a bit lax, but the community that buys second hand usually already has a number of weapons.
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People like Sarah Brady (the head spokesman is a woman not a man) and Rosie O'Donnell who are outspoken gun critics are highly hypocritical. O'Donnell herself has an armed bodyguard, and Sarah Brady bought a rifle for her son.
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For 25 years, the image of President Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady being shot in Washington has remained etched in the public mind. Jim was shot and grievously injured, but, with his wife Sarah by his side, he courageously survived.
Not long after Jim was gunned down, Sarah was outraged all over again when her then six-year-old son Scott found what he thought was a toy gun in a relative's pickup truck. In fact, it was not a toy. It was a fully-loaded handgun.
She and Jim knew the National Rifle Association bore heavy responsibility for the easy availability of guns like those that shot Jim and threatened their son's life. And they knew they had to fight back to keep the NRA from running roughshod over our nation 's gun laws.
Ever since, Jim and Sarah Brady have led the organization and committed themselves to the fight to end gun violence.
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Take the statements made recently on National Public Radio by a representative of the Violence Policy Center. NPR described the VPC as "one of the more aggressive gun groups in Washington." Yet the VPC's representative claimed: "If the existing assault-weapons ban expires, I personally do not believe it will make one whit of difference one way or another in terms of our objective, which is reducing death and injury and getting a particularly lethal class of firearms off the streets. So if it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass."
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Where do you get the information that Mrs. Brady bought a rifle for her son? See this is one kind of statement I would love to see backed up by verifiable sources...
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BTW Bodyguards would be on my list of "exempted professions" for the access to guns, so is the military and police...
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"The more guns, the more gun related accidents and violence." I guess that's about right to say, won't you agree?
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Gun purchase: It would be a federal crime, if I were to buy a gun in another state why so? Don't understand. As long as I do not violate the laws of the state I am living in by owning it? Btw who checks upon my place of residence?
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IMO the issue is a large capacity magazine and the gun that comes with it - AK47's are preferred for their handling and availability. To me it doesn't really matter whether they have a "full auto mode" or not. In a killing spree that full auto mode would create the need to reload more frequent, giving the victims more time.
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If there is one thing the pro gun lobby is missing, it’s a sense of community. Guns are anti social; they just drive people away from each other. Who wants to sit next to some one on a bus carrying a concealed weapon? The person carrying the gun might feel safe, thinking they can “take-out” anyone on the bus, but what about all the other people? Better still if people talked more on buses and alike; wouldn’t need guns, hey!
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Clearly personal responsibility is not working. There is no comparison between carrying a gun and driving a car. With a gun it’s “bang” someone’s dead, and all the regrets in the world won’t change that. Most of the time cars do what they are designed to do, and that’s get people from A to B.
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I read the Sacramento Rally Speech by Don B. Kates. If you are asking me if I think a vocal part of the pro gun lobby is bigoted? Then I would say yes. Just look at the way he marginalises Asians as crazy, and gays as AIDS carriers.
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How many legally owned Class 3 weapons have been used in violent crimes by civilians in the US? None. Not a single one, yet you're saying they are the problem.
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