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Pele
BRONZE Member since Dec 2000

Pele

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Location: WNY, USA

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Posted:There are always such controversies surround Miss America, Miss Universe, Miss-whatever-

Vanessa Williams was dethrowned for old nude photos (which were actually very artistic and lovely). The new one has a drinking infraction so she was facing dethrownment.

How far do you think their responsibilites lie?
When are they allowed to be human again?
Do you think their job is harder than it was, say 50 years ago due to tech and media advances?


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WOFT
SILVER Member since May 2005

Likes trees...
Location: Cape Town, South Africa

Total posts: 209
Posted:A similar issue cropped up here in South Africa:



 Written by: The Sunday Times

Miss South Africa finalist, Catherine Reiters,20, from Lynwood in Pretoria, burst into tears when the shows producers ruled that her dress,shown above, was too revealing for the pageant and that she should not wear it to the finals at the Sun City Superbowl. The red halterneck gown was created by local designer Bongiwe Walaza. Picture: Elizabeth Sejake [/Quote]




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Most of the readers who send in letters and comments thought that the dress apparopriate. One of the negative commenters thought that it was a bad example to set for the younger viewers of the pagent shrug

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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

Rouge Dragon

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Location: without class distinction

Total posts: 13215
Posted:Bad examples for young viewers? Personally I think the concept of beauty pageants in themselves are "bad examples for young viewers"

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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polarity
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polarity

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Location: on the wrong planet

Total posts: 1228
Posted:I think beauty pageants are just the tip of the iceberg, where the entire media's view of what constitutes beauty is a bad example to everyone.

All those psychological tricks used to make us want to buy stuff are doing a great job of causing a whole load of psychological problems that just didn't exist before TV (namely associating this skewed view of beauty with wealth, success and attraction to the opposite sex).


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Birgit
BRONZE Member since Jan 2005

Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 4145
Posted:Well... they sign a form with the rules. If you get yourself on tv and get some money out of a contract that says "no nude pictures" and "appropriate behaviour as a role model", then don't go making nude pictures and take illegal drugs, including alcohol if you happen to be under the legal age.

Their responsibilities lie with keeping their contract. A lot of people have them, like sport professionals who are to avoid risk to their bodies outside their profession. For a Miss (read: her sponsors), her image is everything. If you don't like it, don't participate.

Or wait a year until it's the next Miss's turn and have all the fun and artistic pictures then biggrin


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Rouge Dragon
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Posted:I think that one of Pele's main points was "old" nude photos. Which I think brings in the question, at what point will they stop delving into people's pasts?
and a drinking infraction? when? They got suspended in highschool for being drunk?
when I was in year 8, for the year 12 prefect election they ran into a big problem: one of the rules was that no candidate was allowed to have a suspension on their record...but that year, it turned out that all of the candidates, bar one, had been suspended at some time or other! They had to revise the rule after that! so are they all now excluded from pageants as well?

When do they become human? Interesting question, because often I don't think of them as human in the first place. Pretty much because of how fake the whole situation is and how plastic it is. but i think that while they need to be role models, i think it is very important for them to be human as well. otherwise, not only are they portraying to young people that "thou must be thin and flawless" but also "thin, flawless and practically perfect in every way" which I think creates an even greater self confidence issue.
The recent Aussie Miss Universe had an unfortunately accident at a fashion show where her dress came off exposing her g-string. and the event actually increased her popularity, not because the worlds current hottest arse was flashed on tv, but because she was human.

and yes, i do think their job is harder with media pressure. but also, over the last 100 years, the average body shape has changed. therefore that is also a new factor that is much harder than 50 years ago.


i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Posted:All this talk of role models. Who on earth looks up to beauty queens? These sort of conversations give me the impression that there are thousands yay millions of impressionable children watching beatuty contests and who's only dream is to be miss world. Has anyone ever met a kid like this this?

I can't really get angry about any aspect of beauty contests they seem to me be a mostly harmless irrelevance.


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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

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Posted:well they have to exist, otherwise pageants wouldn't have any competitors to drive them

i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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crowley2
BRONZE Member since Nov 2005

crowley2

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Location: Uk, Essex, Clacton

Total posts: 272
Posted:I would just like to take this moment to comment on the new laws about models haveing to be above size 0

haha take that stupid pencil women


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Birgit
BRONZE Member since Jan 2005

Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 4145
Posted:ooops, missed out on the "old" in the nude piccies. Still, it's the rules... don't sign up for it if you can't do it.

Just because I think I might be coming across as supporting the pageants: I don't. But I have no pity for whoever chooses to be part of that staging, just like I don't pity anyone who goes on "american idol" or "big brother" or the likes, and then complains about their private lives being dragged out in public.

You want to be known for your body? Don't expect anyone to care about your being human. If that's what you want, go and work somewhere where you help people, not as a beauty queen. shrug


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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

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Posted:oh, but beauty queens want "world peace" *puts on cheesy grin and batts eyelashes*



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i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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Birgit
BRONZE Member since Jan 2005

Birgit

had her carpal tunnel surgery already thanks v much
Location: Edinburgh

Total posts: 4145
Posted:So do I smile Now give me my crown and skimpy dress ubblol

"vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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Rouge Dragon
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

Rouge Dragon

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Posted:
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But now give them back because your dress is too revealing! spank



ubblol

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i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey

Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...

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faith enfire
BRONZE Member since Jan 2006

faith enfire

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Location: Wisconsin

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Posted:one of the issues was because she was underage
when they become miss whatever there is a morality contract, tara connor was out partying hard...there are alleged cocaine use as well...i thought it was funny that she snuck men into the flat (somehow that is against the contract too)
if you do not want to abide by these rules a)do not enter the competition or b)get better at hiding it


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Stout
SILVER Member since May 2004

Stout

Pooh-Bah
Location: Canada

Total posts: 1872
Posted:Tara Connor was also rumoured to be making out with miss teen USA, Katie Blair, in a NYC nightclub. I don't know if the stories are true, but I'd be more than willing to review any video "evidence" wink

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