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Posted:
Not sure about the validity of this article, if it was actually serious or if she was just messin. Still, this is kinda scary if you really think about it.
https://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/03/03/offbeat.text.essay.reut/index.html
Not sure about the validity of this article, if it was actually serious or if she was just messin. Still, this is kinda scary if you really think about it.
https://www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/03/03/offbeat.text.essay.reut/index.html
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Posted:
There's a report out there that talks about the instructions for car child seats. Aparently they are written at a tenth grade level and people cannot understand them.
Yahoo News: Study Faults Child Car Seat Instructions
"You need a license to drive, but any idiot can breed."
There's a report out there that talks about the instructions for car child seats. Aparently they are written at a tenth grade level and people cannot understand them.
Yahoo News: Study Faults Child Car Seat Instructions
quote:My feeling is that if you can't read you have no business not only driving a car, but raising a child! :
"This could be accomplished by using shorter sentences and simpler words. For example, `collision,' `automobile,' and `remedied' could be replaced by `crash,' `car,' and `fixed,'" according to the study.
"You need a license to drive, but any idiot can breed."
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yes, I read that also. Sad isn't it? :thinks back to ex-ex-girlfriend: "Dumb as a box of rocks" yep, I can belive it. But to read that half of the people in the USA read below high school graduate is still scary shows we have a seriouse problem.
[ 05. March 2003, 08:33: Message edited by: santanatrue ]
yes, I read that also. Sad isn't it? :thinks back to ex-ex-girlfriend: "Dumb as a box of rocks" yep, I can belive it. But to read that half of the people in the USA read below high school graduate is still scary shows we have a seriouse problem.
[ 05. March 2003, 08:33: Message edited by: santanatrue ]
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I just realized I didn't reply to the topic at all.
I hope that it was some sort of joke. If not then we need to teach the difference between online lingo and proper writing.
People are able to switch between them as adults, I think we need to teach the same in children.
Once in a while I talk funny to Noah (8 yo) and I'll say something slang that I've heard on TV.
"Werd up, dog."
He'll reply with "We (meaning kids) don't speak like that."
He's so funny.
To be honest, I'm not sure what it means. I think it is a reply to a "How are you?" style question. I think it means to be doing fine.
example:
"S'up, G?"
"Werd up, Dog."
I just realized I didn't reply to the topic at all.
I hope that it was some sort of joke. If not then we need to teach the difference between online lingo and proper writing.
People are able to switch between them as adults, I think we need to teach the same in children.
Once in a while I talk funny to Noah (8 yo) and I'll say something slang that I've heard on TV.
"Werd up, dog."
He'll reply with "We (meaning kids) don't speak like that."
He's so funny.
To be honest, I'm not sure what it means. I think it is a reply to a "How are you?" style question. I think it means to be doing fine.
example:
"S'up, G?"
"Werd up, Dog."
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Posted:
We aren't allowed to tell patients to take a medication "orally." We have to say "by mouth."
Sad, huh?
We aren't allowed to tell patients to take a medication "orally." We have to say "by mouth."
Sad, huh?
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Posted:
That is a scary thing...well sorta.We need to teach our children to use proper English and writing skills.I myself use slang terms and use short hand for my class notes, but I certaintly don't use it when I'm writting a report or essay for any of my classes or on my exams...That would just be plain idiotic because you will have major points taken off.Of course practically everyday the English language is taking on new terms and slang by our youth and since it is becoming a common thing the students believe it is appropriate in class...I will admit that I too have come up with slang terms and stuff and got others to repeat em and so on and so on til lots of people know it...I've been in my English classes before for using "fix" as a verb like "I am fixing to go eat"...Or better yet "alot"...Lots of us students got in trouble when we would put "a" and "lot" together thinking it was one word because thats how we say it down where I'm from.Example would be: "I have alot to do this afternoon".One other one that comes to mind also is "yall"...It's actually slang for "you all", it is also very common word in my area and so lots of people tend to use it in their class work.It used to make me mad sometimes because it's very common and so I beleived that it should be included in our class work and for us not to get points taken off for it.Now I understand why it is important to emphasize that proper English is a must. For when you get out in the real world it will be necessary to communicate and have others understand you.Or you will end up with people staring at you like your some savage who is talking in all kinds of jargon(sp). ((Dio not a word!!!))
That is a scary thing...well sorta.We need to teach our children to use proper English and writing skills.I myself use slang terms and use short hand for my class notes, but I certaintly don't use it when I'm writting a report or essay for any of my classes or on my exams...That would just be plain idiotic because you will have major points taken off.Of course practically everyday the English language is taking on new terms and slang by our youth and since it is becoming a common thing the students believe it is appropriate in class...I will admit that I too have come up with slang terms and stuff and got others to repeat em and so on and so on til lots of people know it...I've been in my English classes before for using "fix" as a verb like "I am fixing to go eat"...Or better yet "alot"...Lots of us students got in trouble when we would put "a" and "lot" together thinking it was one word because thats how we say it down where I'm from.Example would be: "I have alot to do this afternoon".One other one that comes to mind also is "yall"...It's actually slang for "you all", it is also very common word in my area and so lots of people tend to use it in their class work.It used to make me mad sometimes because it's very common and so I beleived that it should be included in our class work and for us not to get points taken off for it.Now I understand why it is important to emphasize that proper English is a must. For when you get out in the real world it will be necessary to communicate and have others understand you.Or you will end up with people staring at you like your some savage who is talking in all kinds of jargon(sp). ((Dio not a word!!!))
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i watched some thing on the television last night, a program called newsround, which is aimed at the younger generation in the UK, but there was a story, about a girl, who had writen her whole exam in "mobile txt".
It sickens me to hear news like this, as my education was so far from my patients and understanding, my english was allways my strongest subject, one which i did have time for, but, until some of my recent time here, on HoP i have been able to sit down while typing posts, i have been able to sit and look at my spelling and grammer, i hope to be agree'd with, that there been a trenendous improvment with the more serious posts i have made of late, but like a good arse, i still like to ramble on with utter randomness that i am known for.
a fast changing world is full of things we old codgers dislike, but what can we do? other than, bitch here ngst friends, and spin poi to escape the world around us! now there's a thought!
i watched some thing on the television last night, a program called newsround, which is aimed at the younger generation in the UK, but there was a story, about a girl, who had writen her whole exam in "mobile txt".
It sickens me to hear news like this, as my education was so far from my patients and understanding, my english was allways my strongest subject, one which i did have time for, but, until some of my recent time here, on HoP i have been able to sit down while typing posts, i have been able to sit and look at my spelling and grammer, i hope to be agree'd with, that there been a trenendous improvment with the more serious posts i have made of late, but like a good arse, i still like to ramble on with utter randomness that i am known for.
a fast changing world is full of things we old codgers dislike, but what can we do? other than, bitch here ngst friends, and spin poi to escape the world around us! now there's a thought!
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Posted:
The problem isn't writing or speaking proper english. The problem is understanding "big words" in the english language. They judge the "reading level" of the sentences based on the number of three sylable words per sentence. What they are saying is that most people have trouble reading a sentence that contains big words. So, they recomend using simpler words, like "car" instead of "automobile", "crash" instead of "collision", etc. Long sentences with long words (often writen by lawers) are not easily understood by the "average joe and jane". Still it bothers me that they need to use car instead of automobile. And 90% of car seats are installed improperly. The engineers say they can make the seats simpler to install, but they aren't going to, for money reasons, another sad thing. But, I have been gifted with the ability to understand the writen word, like 99%. And that legal jargon gets even me confusd sometimes. Lawers write the instructions so the manufacturers can't get seued.
[ 05. March 2003, 10:08: Message edited by: santanatrue ]
The problem isn't writing or speaking proper english. The problem is understanding "big words" in the english language. They judge the "reading level" of the sentences based on the number of three sylable words per sentence. What they are saying is that most people have trouble reading a sentence that contains big words. So, they recomend using simpler words, like "car" instead of "automobile", "crash" instead of "collision", etc. Long sentences with long words (often writen by lawers) are not easily understood by the "average joe and jane". Still it bothers me that they need to use car instead of automobile. And 90% of car seats are installed improperly. The engineers say they can make the seats simpler to install, but they aren't going to, for money reasons, another sad thing. But, I have been gifted with the ability to understand the writen word, like 99%. And that legal jargon gets even me confusd sometimes. Lawers write the instructions so the manufacturers can't get seued.
[ 05. March 2003, 10:08: Message edited by: santanatrue ]
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Posted:
You can't blame society or the educators for declining standards. Nor political leaders, school systems or the rise of simplified language through/due to technology.
When you cut right through all the ephemera one figure stands alone at the centre of it all. And all blame lies with him
Basically what I'm trying to say is it's me.
I confess.
Please dont hate me too much.
You can't blame society or the educators for declining standards. Nor political leaders, school systems or the rise of simplified language through/due to technology.
When you cut right through all the ephemera one figure stands alone at the centre of it all. And all blame lies with him
Basically what I'm trying to say is it's me.
I confess.
Please dont hate me too much.
Meh
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Posted:
I find the whole situation very sad, although I suffer with not being able to find the right words in situations; I have always gained immense joy and satisfaction reading literature that expands my mind. I think it should be one of the most important things in life to stretch your vocabulary during your time here. The English language to far more descriptive and passionate that many languages on this planet, you try to ignite the passion of these words in the youth of today when they are exposed to so many short cuts to life.. the world is getting faster and the language used it getting punchier. Gone are some of the days where people could languish lavishly over their words...
I have come across people in my life that have thought that 'I talk posh' and made me feel silly... but not anymore - I don't worry about it anymore...
/edit/ for smilie
[ 05. March 2003, 10:41: Message edited by: MisStix ]
I find the whole situation very sad, although I suffer with not being able to find the right words in situations; I have always gained immense joy and satisfaction reading literature that expands my mind. I think it should be one of the most important things in life to stretch your vocabulary during your time here. The English language to far more descriptive and passionate that many languages on this planet, you try to ignite the passion of these words in the youth of today when they are exposed to so many short cuts to life.. the world is getting faster and the language used it getting punchier. Gone are some of the days where people could languish lavishly over their words...
I have come across people in my life that have thought that 'I talk posh' and made me feel silly... but not anymore - I don't worry about it anymore...
/edit/ for smilie
[ 05. March 2003, 10:41: Message edited by: MisStix ]
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Posted:
I BLAME PK
I BLAME PK
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No, PK specifically says NOT to blame him. Look at his current name. Besides, C@ntus took the blame.
Can't you read, Dio?
I had an English teacher in high school who passed around a handout that read:
"Yoo mite bee the smartist persun in the werld, butt if yoo cant spell everywun wil think yoo are dum."
We were Honors students in high school and she gave us grammar and vocab tests. People wonder where I learned my vocabulary and grammar. No, it wasn't a Stanford education. Many people who graduated from college with me still couldn't write a decent compound complex sentence to save their lives. It was Mrs. Martin, a humble public high school teacher in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.
Now, truth be told, I'm not obsessive about it. I'm not too proud to boldly split an infinitive. And I'm not so compulsive that I won't start a sentence with a conjunction. Sometimes, there's even just a preposition that I need to end a sentence with.
But I do try to get my spelling right and while I don't necessarily avoid all abrvtns, I try to limit them to just a few (like BTW, LOL, WTF, etc.). Besides nobody actually writes "laughing out loud" out in full. It wouldn't make sense. You write "LOL."
I think the big issue is to remember your context. It's OK to use shorthand when space is limited, as in a TXT message on a cell phone or in an informal E-mail or board post. But in formal communications, or anything on paper, such shorthand is inappropriate. It's not so much an issue of grammar because the girl's grammar was fine, it's knowing when to use what.
Oh, and I thought TWOT was a dirty word, not an abbreviation for "Total Waste Of Time"?
No, PK specifically says NOT to blame him. Look at his current name. Besides, C@ntus took the blame.
Can't you read, Dio?
I had an English teacher in high school who passed around a handout that read:
"Yoo mite bee the smartist persun in the werld, butt if yoo cant spell everywun wil think yoo are dum."
We were Honors students in high school and she gave us grammar and vocab tests. People wonder where I learned my vocabulary and grammar. No, it wasn't a Stanford education. Many people who graduated from college with me still couldn't write a decent compound complex sentence to save their lives. It was Mrs. Martin, a humble public high school teacher in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.
Now, truth be told, I'm not obsessive about it. I'm not too proud to boldly split an infinitive. And I'm not so compulsive that I won't start a sentence with a conjunction. Sometimes, there's even just a preposition that I need to end a sentence with.
But I do try to get my spelling right and while I don't necessarily avoid all abrvtns, I try to limit them to just a few (like BTW, LOL, WTF, etc.). Besides nobody actually writes "laughing out loud" out in full. It wouldn't make sense. You write "LOL."
I think the big issue is to remember your context. It's OK to use shorthand when space is limited, as in a TXT message on a cell phone or in an informal E-mail or board post. But in formal communications, or anything on paper, such shorthand is inappropriate. It's not so much an issue of grammar because the girl's grammar was fine, it's knowing when to use what.
Oh, and I thought TWOT was a dirty word, not an abbreviation for "Total Waste Of Time"?
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i am saddened that you have the undecency to pass blame to me, where my name states you cant. plus the factor that the Fraggle has stated blame on this thread, its in the small print that mike and/or the Fraggles can and only them pass any such blame, also in the small print it simply states that i can blame who ever at random and of free choice.
as i can, and the small print says i can....
I BLAME DIO and officially state that this is a bitch thread, and blame can be passed. gotta love me
[ 05. March 2003, 10:52: Message edited by: Don't Blame 1112 ]
i am saddened that you have the undecency to pass blame to me, where my name states you cant. plus the factor that the Fraggle has stated blame on this thread, its in the small print that mike and/or the Fraggles can and only them pass any such blame, also in the small print it simply states that i can blame who ever at random and of free choice.
as i can, and the small print says i can....
I BLAME DIO and officially state that this is a bitch thread, and blame can be passed. gotta love me
[ 05. March 2003, 10:52: Message edited by: Don't Blame 1112 ]
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damnit!!! mike beat me to the reply button. the above post still stands.
:off to read mikes post:
damnit!!! mike beat me to the reply button. the above post still stands.
:off to read mikes post:
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quote:the word your thinking of is TWAT mike, thats what we say in the UK
Originally posted by Lightning (Formerly MikeGinny):
Oh, and I thought TWOT was a dirty word, not an abbreviation for "Total Waste Of Time"?
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Posted:
Ug. Here we go again. At least it's not Ebonics so we don't have to drag race into it this time.
NO kids are not losing the ability to read because of the internet.
There have always been plenty of illiterate Americans or Brits. Just because someone can't write English and can write in text (if that's what we're calling it) doesn't mean that text is replacing English. Clearly, if a child can not write English but can write Text, they never learned English in the first place.
The same is true for any slang.
Also, what does "Reading at a 10th grade level" mean? My 10th graders are pretty smart. What book can you read now that you were completely unable to at 17? Maybe some technical information in a specific area but you certainly knew what the word "Automobile" was in the 10th grade. How many of you took a "Reading" class after 10th grade?!
I can assure you, the writing on this website is FAR below a 10th grade level. Does that mean that we're all stupid?
Literacy rates in the US are fine. The internet has educated far more kids than it has hurt.
I'm far more worried about those who can't distinguish between Sadam and Bin Laden, and 9/11 and Iraq.
Ug. Here we go again. At least it's not Ebonics so we don't have to drag race into it this time.
NO kids are not losing the ability to read because of the internet.
There have always been plenty of illiterate Americans or Brits. Just because someone can't write English and can write in text (if that's what we're calling it) doesn't mean that text is replacing English. Clearly, if a child can not write English but can write Text, they never learned English in the first place.
The same is true for any slang.
Also, what does "Reading at a 10th grade level" mean? My 10th graders are pretty smart. What book can you read now that you were completely unable to at 17? Maybe some technical information in a specific area but you certainly knew what the word "Automobile" was in the 10th grade. How many of you took a "Reading" class after 10th grade?!
I can assure you, the writing on this website is FAR below a 10th grade level. Does that mean that we're all stupid?
Literacy rates in the US are fine. The internet has educated far more kids than it has hurt.
I'm far more worried about those who can't distinguish between Sadam and Bin Laden, and 9/11 and Iraq.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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WOW, everybody is still missing the point. It's not the reading level, or the public school system, or the dumbing down of the world. it's those darned lawers and engineers (sorry vern, no offence ) The engineers make car seats that are to complicated to be installed without detailed directions (while admiting they could design them simpler to install) And the lawers (who are covering their butts to not ever get seued) writing installation directions that only another lawer can decipher.
WOW, everybody is still missing the point. It's not the reading level, or the public school system, or the dumbing down of the world. it's those darned lawers and engineers (sorry vern, no offence ) The engineers make car seats that are to complicated to be installed without detailed directions (while admiting they could design them simpler to install) And the lawers (who are covering their butts to not ever get seued) writing installation directions that only another lawer can decipher.
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fee fie fo fum honky, I mo bust a cap in yo ass, be-i-iz-atch. You be rollin in ma hood, But ah got ma gat, an ah ain't skierd ta use it
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. But ah let ya slide, cause ah need a spliff right now, and ah don't need no sence brutha, dat shitz got ta be da chronic.
fee fie fo fum honky, I mo bust a cap in yo ass, be-i-iz-atch. You be rollin in ma hood, But ah got ma gat, an ah ain't skierd ta use it
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. But ah let ya slide, cause ah need a spliff right now, and ah don't need no sence brutha, dat shitz got ta be da chronic.
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Posted:
Not all stupid. Just me.
And I'm to blame for all the bad spelling within this very thread.
Particularly the repeated misspelling of lawyer and the simple grammatical errors made by certain teachers during their arguement.....
Not all stupid. Just me.
And I'm to blame for all the bad spelling within this very thread.
Particularly the repeated misspelling of lawyer and the simple grammatical errors made by certain teachers during their arguement.....
Meh
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Posted:
And it's because of me that Santanatwo types so bl**dy quick as well....
And it's because of me that Santanatwo types so bl**dy quick as well....
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Hey, don't say "engineer," it has too many syllables. Just call me Maker Man. Or Thinker.
\/\/3 ¢0|_|LD 4LL T4L|< I|\| L33T 5P33|<....
Hey, don't say "engineer," it has too many syllables. Just call me Maker Man. Or Thinker.
\/\/3 ¢0|_|LD 4LL T4L|< I|\| L33T 5P33|<....
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$ |_| /\/\ () # |_|$ 4 |_ |_ |2 3 4 |) `/
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$ |_| /\/\ () # |_|$ 4 |_ |_ |2 3 4 |) `/
|)()()()
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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yes but that's cos you're a show off NYC.
Some of us choose not to.
yes but that's cos you're a show off NYC.
Some of us choose not to.
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I could care less about people typing really retarded. It's just 13 year olds, and Avril Lavigne. haha.
I could care less about people typing really retarded. It's just 13 year olds, and Avril Lavigne. haha.
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OK
quote:
yes but that's cos you're a show off NYC.
Some of us choose not to.
OK
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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/-/4/-/! 3'/3 |<|\|03 1337 5|>34|
&|2347 70 |>455 |\|0735 1|\| <|_455 83<4|_|53 |\|\'/ 734
^_^
I have a friend online that talks with extreme shorthand. I've taken to just ignoring her until she realizes her mistake and at least corrects it somewhat.
/-/4/-/! 3'/3 |<|\|03 1337 5|>34|
&|2347 70 |>455 |\|0735 1|\| <|_455 83<4|_|53 |\|\'/ 734
^_^
I have a friend online that talks with extreme shorthand. I've taken to just ignoring her until she realizes her mistake and at least corrects it somewhat.
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I am curious as to the methodology behind "leet" speak. Is it a pseudo-language invented in order to prevent word-search programs (of the Big Brother variety) from detecting transmissions? And then became chic language to use because of a trend?
I am curious as to the methodology behind "leet" speak. Is it a pseudo-language invented in order to prevent word-search programs (of the Big Brother variety) from detecting transmissions? And then became chic language to use because of a trend?
What hits the fan is not evenly distributed.
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It's all CANTUS's FAULT!!!!!!!!
BLAME THE FRAGGLE
*exits*
It's all CANTUS's FAULT!!!!!!!!
BLAME THE FRAGGLE
*exits*
Geologists do it in the dirt................ 
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Posted:
just kidding hun.
quote:Ros too late he allready said it.... or are your reading skills that of a 10th grader american style and you couldnt e arsed to read al the big words from NYC's cakehole ["insert the word cakehole for mike's consumption and add to his database of odd english terms"]
Originally posted by C@ntus:
Basically what I'm trying to say is it's me.
I confess.
Please dont hate me too much.
just kidding hun.
NYC
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Location: NYC, NY, USA
Posted:
My understanding of 1337 speak is that it originated thought first person on-line shooter games (Counter Strike and such). Kids were talking trash to each other online and started using neanderthal type expresssions written in purposely difficult to understand abbreviations.
As it caught on, the game became to find new ways to say stuff using non-traditional letters. The longer it took the person who you were talking to to understand, the cooler you were.
Yes, it most certainly reaks of pre-adolescent trash talking which is what makes it so tounge-in-cheek for me.
Our fire troupe adopted the name for various reasons. Mostly, I think, (and this is just me) because we never actually know what or who we are. Just that we're different. Not so much elite, but mostly just neanderthal with a touch of adolescent trash talking.
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[ 06. March 2003, 09:17: Message edited by: NYC ]
My understanding of 1337 speak is that it originated thought first person on-line shooter games (Counter Strike and such). Kids were talking trash to each other online and started using neanderthal type expresssions written in purposely difficult to understand abbreviations.
As it caught on, the game became to find new ways to say stuff using non-traditional letters. The longer it took the person who you were talking to to understand, the cooler you were.
Yes, it most certainly reaks of pre-adolescent trash talking which is what makes it so tounge-in-cheek for me.
Our fire troupe adopted the name for various reasons. Mostly, I think, (and this is just me) because we never actually know what or who we are. Just that we're different. Not so much elite, but mostly just neanderthal with a touch of adolescent trash talking.
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[ 06. March 2003, 09:17: Message edited by: NYC ]
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
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Posted:
Ok, this is something that really gets my goat.
I see so many examples of language being dumbed down now and it's really infuriating.
The one I saw most recently was at the cinema, and was part of a police campaign to cut down on mobile phone theft that they show before the film starts.
It's got a picture of someone reaching to snatch a mobile away from someone's ear and the caption 'Thinking of robbing a mobile? Think again - you could get 57 years in prison'.
Or something like that anyway, I can't remember the punishment.
Back to the point - How do you go about robbing a mobile? Surely you steal a mobile or rob the person with a mobile
There's also a hell of a lot like this in film and music. The example that leaps into my head right now is Kelly Rowland's latest song, it has the lyrics 'Her life was stole'.
Admittedly film and music have a bit more freedom to bend the rules but if even public announcements from the police have bad grammar I can only see people's language skills getting worse and worse.
Sorry, minor rant over
Ok, this is something that really gets my goat.
I see so many examples of language being dumbed down now and it's really infuriating.
The one I saw most recently was at the cinema, and was part of a police campaign to cut down on mobile phone theft that they show before the film starts.
It's got a picture of someone reaching to snatch a mobile away from someone's ear and the caption 'Thinking of robbing a mobile? Think again - you could get 57 years in prison'.
Or something like that anyway, I can't remember the punishment.
Back to the point - How do you go about robbing a mobile? Surely you steal a mobile or rob the person with a mobile
There's also a hell of a lot like this in film and music. The example that leaps into my head right now is Kelly Rowland's latest song, it has the lyrics 'Her life was stole'.
Admittedly film and music have a bit more freedom to bend the rules but if even public announcements from the police have bad grammar I can only see people's language skills getting worse and worse.
Sorry, minor rant over
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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