Richee
HOP librarian
Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:Well, I'd like to give an example of figure that brought
an idea about new figure. New in way of putting non-
circular hand, or Poi movement.

2 Anti spin
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(mirror)

This move is thoeretic, cause by putting this in practical
manner, 'critical momentum''ll make it far difficult, than
that looks like.

Well there are more of them I see, line, triangle, square
and many other.

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Mirror thanks to mcp.

Thanks to unknown uber for inspiration.

Stay tuned, more to come.

love 'n' light,

:R

hug

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Dunc
Dunc

playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands
Member Since: 19th Aug 2003
Total posts: 7263
Posted:Richee is that some crazy flow diagram? What do the points represent?

*is confused but intruiged*


Let's relight this forum ubblove

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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:dunc: black dot hand, blue dot poi head.

came out of the latter part of this discussion i believe:
http://www.homeofpoi.com/ubbthreads/show...5/o/all/fpart/1
br>

i'm not sure about the second pattern either due to the momentum change issues...

it seems you would run into the same problems as when trying to spin superspin with poi - that being a change of direction (momentum) that requires the hand to push the poi in the new direction rather than pull it.

this is required when moving up or down from the the 3 or 9 o'clock positions to the 6 or 12 o'clock positions.


cole. x


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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Glåss
Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 8th Nov 2001
Total posts: 2523
Posted:Richee, I love the way that you're thinking. smile
But you're not quite there....
Add gravity and inertia/momentum to your theoretical model.

biggrin

Also look more carefully at the movement of the hand as the poi goes past the middle in the infinity (top figure)
I think its not quite right biggrin


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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted:drew, you been totally ignoring the staff forum again...? rolleyes

tongue


cole. x


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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simian
simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London
Member Since: 11th Oct 2002
Total posts: 3149
Posted: Written by: Droooo

Also look more carefully at the movement of the hand as the poi goes past the middle in the infinity (top figure)



yup, that aint right, not with pesky gravity and all. Theoretically you could do that figure eighty pattern with pure up and down hand movement, but not like that.

 Written by: Cowlmann

it seems you would run into the same problems as when trying to spin superspin with poi - that being a change of direction (momentum) that requires the hand to push the poi in the new direction rather than pull it.



i kind of agree with you. But you can get round that if your poi have any degree of 'stiffness' to them, as with cone poi or ropes. You only need a very small application of push if your really careful working with the downward momentum of the poi.


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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coleman
coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay
Member Since: 29th Aug 2002
Total posts: 7330
Posted: Written by: simian


i kind of agree with you. But you can get round that if your poi have any degree of 'stiffness' to them, as with cone poi or ropes. You only need a very small application of push if your really careful working with the downward momentum of the poi.



cool - show me ubbangel


cole. x


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i come to 'dis cafe quite a lot myself.
they do porridge."
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TheBovrilMonkey
TheBovrilMonkey

Liquid Cow
Location: High Wycombe, England
Member Since: 3rd Sep 2001
Total posts: 2629
Posted: Written by: simian


yup, that aint right, not with pesky gravity and all.




Meh, do them with clubs.

I find they work best if you're only spinning one club because that frees up a hand, letting you shake your fist at the ground while shouting 'gravity, I defy you!' wink


But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

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UCOF
UCOF

Carpal \'Tunnel

Member Since: 17th Apr 2002
Total posts: 15414
Posted:Could you do it if you were constantly changing between normal way up, and upside down to counter the gravity? umm

Oooooooh... spinning poi inside a gryoscope! eek


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TheWibbler
old hand
Location: New Zealand
Member Since: 11th Apr 2003
Total posts: 920
Posted:Interesting stuff, from first glance i'd say the first one will just about work if we are looking directly down on the poi (altho not sure the middle line would be exactly straight)

the second diagram looks like it would need clubs not poi, since the poi change direction at the points and seem to be pushed to the next point.


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Red_RaveN
Neo - Hippie
Location: Sala, Slovakia
Member Since: 8th Jun 2003
Total posts: 358
Posted:umm the 2nd one is actually possible as I see it.. only the poi that goes up would have to be swung from a stall and directly isolated. Will try this in the evening I promise wink

Smile.. It confuses people..:)

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simian
simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London
Member Since: 11th Oct 2002
Total posts: 3149
Posted:White: the bit me and cole are unsure about is the fact that it goes out to the side, then when the poi is horizontal, and the head is pointed in toward the centre, your hand pushes it back into the middle again. Cole reckons this isn't possible. i reckon it takes very specific poi and is just very very hard.

If you take out the pushing part, then the poi head just goes up and down. That is definitely possible. i was doing it with duballstar and durbs on tuesday. It was ugly, jerky and unreliable, but i can see how it could be cleaned up. Its about the same order of difficulty as an isolation centred on the head of the poi.


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Red_RaveN
Neo - Hippie
Location: Sala, Slovakia
Member Since: 8th Jun 2003
Total posts: 358
Posted:Hmm of course it cant be done as in the picture.. It would take a specific entry and the poi would have to enter when they are vertical.. then make a kind of a full iso.. then exit. I will try to play with it for a while and see what I come to..

And I also just now remembered that these are just one poi moves : )) With the 2nd you could do the top and bottom part each with one poi.. Somehow.. Probably.. smile


Smile.. It confuses people..:)

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simian
simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London
Member Since: 11th Oct 2002
Total posts: 3149
Posted:the second one works just fine if you turn it 90degrees, so the poi point down when at the top of the circle, up at the bottom, and point outwards at the sides.



i do a half a beat of that one pretty regularly with two poi. Pretty easy to get clean, looks nice, and non scary enough for completely non-techy people to learn.

(just as long as you don't mention the "*ntis*in" wink )


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Glåss
Glåss

The Ministry of Manipulation
Location: Bristol
Member Since: 8th Nov 2001
Total posts: 2523
Posted:First one: Come on guys, look a bit more carefully at the motion of the hand and the poi as the poi goes past the centre position.
Its only possible with a club, and then its not very pretty because the flow will be broken by the 2 corners as the head passes the centre position.

Grade: D(minus) I'm very dissapointed in you all, I was expecting more from my favorite object manipulating geeks.

Cole, I follewed your link to the staff thread thanks, yes very nece and vey geeky smile


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simian
simian

110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
Location: London
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Total posts: 3149
Posted:0 points for Monkey Post Reading to Mr Glass tongue

as I said, that top pattern is poi-ssible with pure up and down hand movement, but not like that. It works fine if you smoothly follow the fig 8 pattern, but not if you "bounce" at the centre like in Richees pictcher...


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Richee
HOP librarian
Location: Prague
Member Since: 15th Jan 2002
Total posts: 1841
Posted:[Full catch]



This move can be done starting with double catch and con-

tinue swapping head or handle.



[Elypse]



Very close to isolation, but different.



[Superspin]



Circle is closed object. Has no end, no beginning.



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It is infinite you know.



love nad light,



:R


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mcp
mcp

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Location: Edin-borrow.
Member Since: 20th May 2003
Total posts: 5276
Posted: Written by: TheBovrilMonkey


I find they work best if you're only spinning one club because that frees up a hand, letting you shake your fist at the ground while shouting 'gravity, I defy you!' wink



This is my new favourate contact move! ubblove


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"the still legendary" - Kaskade

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