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Written by :FT
However, Lurch I appreciate your effort, you're taking a lot of time to back up your opinion and please do remember that I also moved from a general opposition of firearms to the position that some people under certain circumstances should be allowed to bear arms.
Written by :FT
IMO you're simply not happy as long as your right to bear a firearm remains untouched - that frustrates me full scale, because you're not open to any negotiations, even if 'we' would come half your way.
Written by :FT
The studies presented have not only stemmed from politically biased initiatives (the anti-gun lobby) but also from US law enforcement, whilst the "scientific studies" you presented had no less political bias. Let's face it: It's a political issue within the US.
Written by :FT
If you carry a gun, you might not have the intent to kill someone but certainly you at least need to be ready to kill someone (to "stop the 'threat'" by all means). By depriving the attacker from being a human being and naming him a "threat" without personality and background you already take the first step.
Written by :FT
The fact that you have no borders within the US territory makes it possible for guns to get purchased in Texas and brought to, say New York City. It automatically makes them 'illegal guns' - but not less lethal. Personally I don't care whether I get shot with a legal or illegal gun, dead is dead.
Written by :FT
Lurch, you are neither open to new regulations, nor are you coming up with suggestions on how to enforce the existing laws. You appear as if you would like to keep the status quo as it is, in order to continue playing "cowboy and indian", errm "wolf, sheep and shepherd dog" that is. By that you are one of those who prolong a violent society and prevent a peaceful solution in the near future. In best intent, I'm sure.
Written by :FT
You're comparing apples and oranges, but certainly IF you're selling your car to a minor, you will be partly responsible for an accident occurring. Equally IF you're selling your gun without a proper background check you WILL be morally responsible for crimes conducted. UNfortunately the law will not hold you responsible.
Written by :FT
Fear is a primal instinct, it makes us alert, paranoia is pathological and irrational fear and therefore we need to work on the causes of paranoia in order to diminish it. There seem to live a great deal more "bad guys" in the US than anywhere else in the western world - why you think that is?
Written by :FT
Your nightmares were resulting from the reactions of your relatives, not from the incident itself. If everyone would have kept calm you would not have faced this condition. Paranoia is based on irrational fear.
Written by :FT
"David McDowall found that guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times annually (between 1987 and 1990)" ... now compare this to 1.8 million violent crimes happening (in 1990)... "This equates to two times out of 1,000 incidents (0.2%) that occurred in this time frame"
Written by :FT
If you'd find any truth in this quote (and as a shepherd dog you seem to aim for a peaceful society, other than that you'd be just a "legal wolf"), so if you can find any truth in this quote, you would give up your arms. We - as a society - need to aim for a peaceful solution and go to the root causes of crime, rather than to continue elaborating on it's effects.
Written by : Vet
There’s a character trait that’s decided by fate
Comes (sadly) to many, far too faint, far too late.
They won’t face the aggressor, stand up to his ire
They have not the will to fight his fire with fire.
So they bend over backwards to see all sides as fair,
Till they’re faced with dragon breath fire in their hair.
Like our brethren in France, who’d know better than we,
Yet seem never to learn, seem doomed never to see.
Yes, it seems there are some who’re determined by fate,
To possess not the courage to step up to the plate,
Who shrink from all threat because nothing’s worth war.
But how can they know lest they’ve been there before?
Thank God some have courage, the will, yes, the grace,
To stand for the shirkers, stand strong in their place.
Thank God we have stalwarts who’ll stand for us all,
Who will rise to the challenge at their nation’s call.
The faint-hearted, who fear, whose reaction is flight,
Have no comprehension of those who will fight.
To hide their own trepidation they attempt to demean
The rough men, who defend them, as barbaric, obscene.
Yet these rough men stand ready, hard weapons to hand,
To put placaters behind them, draw a line in the sand,
To preserve for the peaceniks what they won’t defend,
So their own unearned freedom won’t perish, won’t end.
To appeasers, rough men are coarse government tools.
To rough men, appeasers are dumb delusional fools.
Russ Vaughn
2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
101st Airborne Division
Vietnam 65-66
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Faith
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Written by :FireTom
- 'Assault weapons' are no reasonable and appropriate means of self defence, there is no reason for them to be available to civilians. I am certain to speak for the majority of ppl who do not possess or intend to possess guns.
Written by :FireTom
- I understand that the US on the inside function similar to the EU - whereas the US does vote for a federal government and a president who (for example) is able to declare war on another country. The (legislative) structure of the US therefore is a bit confusing, certainly there are federal (gun) laws in effect (like on full automatic machine guns and the ban on 'copkiller' ammunition).
Further I do not understand why some states can overrule the second amendment in their state legislation... maybe you help me to understand?
Faith
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Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
Written by :FT
Maybe my evaluations are erroneous, given that. Fact of the matter is that there is a 'certain' percentage of citizens within the US that share the same perspective on gun laws. This percentage changes with every mass murder committed with firearms.
Written by :FT
- Lobbyists and political activists do have body guards for certain reasons. If - for example - Martin Luther King would have had (sufficient) protection, he would not have gotten shot. I think it's perfectly okay to be an activist against gun control and violence and at the same time to protect ones self. After all I am not arguing against the right of self defense or the right on physical inviolability. Especially in an environment as the US I would not condemn activists to ask for protection.
Written by :FT
- You're the one arguing on "legal vs. illegal guns". A gun legally purchased in one state, carried over the border to another state with different legislation *automatically* becomes illegal - true or false?
Written by :FT
Nobody tells you to go unarmed into the wilderness on recovery mission. Have you really noted that I changed my stance? At the same time it's ridiculous to paint an image of wolves, bears and mountain lions, who try to lure Lurch into a ambush situation...
Written by :FT
- ONE reason that you got to be more worried about your home getting broken into might is the fact that there are (more) firearms in your environment. In MY case this is different - I by no means have got to be as worried.
Written by : Stout
Lurch..I agree, it is about education, however given the number of different forums I've found myself on over the course of this thread I tend to wonder whether that education might be forgotten in favour of convenience.
I'm reading about "guns for under the car seat, pocket guns, purse guns, kit guns...None of which I presume are properly stored....because that would be counter intuitive to carrying a weapon for self defense.
Written by :Stout
For home defense, the homeowner can rely on a properly stored shotgun, unless he's expecting bad guys to burst through his door waving guns and then, at best that homeowner may find his pistol useless unless he has it immediately at hand. You've got to figure, that people living rural are going to want something potent, like a hunting rifle to meet a threat from a bear.
Written by :Stout
If you're worried about mountain lions, then pretty much nothing can help you ( except maybe a hat with eyes painted on the back of it ) seeing how mountain lions attack silently from the rear. What else ? wolves ? wolverines ? We don't have any of those locally.
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Written by : D_D
If everyone had guns of all types, and there was no crime, would you still have a problem with the guns?
Written by : D_D
If the answer is yes, then you’re a little crazy and have a true issue with guns.
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Written by : Lurch
A P22 is not much of a defensive gun. If defense is truly the purpose of the weapon why would you buy the cheapest thing you can find?
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Written by :Brady
California - State law restricts the sale of all semiautomatic assault weapons that have specific military features such as pistol grips or folding stocks.
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Turn it around: Why wouldn't you buy the gun that just suits your budget? The point (to me) is: why are sub standard quality guns legally sold in the US?
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Lurch, you're partly acting as a deputy - am I correct? If "yes" this (IMO) makes you one of those I would allow to carry a gun (under circumstances and conditions).
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Written by Lurch
Yes I am, and thank you. But other than some more training than the average person I'm no different. If a law abiding citizen wants to carry a weapon to defend themselves I will encourage it. And yes, I would encourage those same *good* people to carry, even in Manhattan, Queens and the Bronx. Maybe shifting the balance of power back to the moral people would be a good thing.
Written by FT
Maybe my evaluations are erroneous, given that. Fact of the matter is that there is a 'certain' percentage of citizens within the US that share the same perspective on gun laws. This percentage changes with every mass murder committed with firearms.Written by Lurch
That is true, there is a certain percentage of citizens who share that perspective. That is fine, it is their decision to be sheep.
Written by Abigail Kohn
The idea of self-defense, community defense, has a lot to do with being a good American. Part of the attraction for a lot of American men involves identifying with those archetypes in American history, the cowboy/lawman or the citizen/soldier, who wear a gun on their hip.
Written by Abigail Kohn
The idea of self-defense, community defense, has a lot to do with being a good American. Part of the attraction for a lot of American men involves identifying with those archetypes in American history, the cowboy/lawman or the citizen/soldier, who wear a gun on their hip.
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Faith
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Written by :FireTom
Why shouldn't assault weapons be available to the general public?
Well, let's put it this way: Why shouldn't grenades, full automatic machine guns, bazookas and high calibre sniper guns be available to the general public (everywhere across the US)?
I agree: It's not the weapons, but the use of it.
Unfortunately a great deal of ppl have proven to be incapable of handling these guns responsibly.
Have you looked into the Harvard studies I provided?Written by : D_D
If everyone had guns of all types, and there was no crime, would you still have a problem with the guns?
Yes, I would still have a problem with these guns as long as there is a great deal of accidents happening with them.Written by : D_D
If the answer is yes, then you’re a little crazy and have a true issue with guns.
Pls keep it friendly.
Written by :Stone
Lurch, if you are you implying that people who are against guns are wether's and only real men carry guns.Written by
Not at all, there is nothing 'wrong' or 'unmanly' about being a Sheep, it's your personal choice. I simply have a problem morally with asking anyone to do something I'm not willing to do myself. How did a cowboy become a lawman anyways? You've been watching too many westerns.
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Written by Lurch
What does the question of Vietnam have anything to do with the topic at hand?
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by Dragon Drafin
Yes there is, it may not be reasonable to you or in your opinion reasonable but the real question you should ask isn’t “Why should assault weapons be available to civilians?” The question you should be asking is “Why shouldn’t they be available?”
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by Faith
I'm sorry but I don't see what the Iraq war has to do with our domestic gun policies
If we as members of the human race practice meditation, we can transcend our fear, despair, and forgetfulness. Meditation is not an escape. It is the courage to look at reality with mindfulness and concentration. Thich Nhat Hanh
Written by : NYT
An hour after the big New Year's Eve countdown, a grim new tally began in Times Square yesterday: a digital "death clock" started ticking off the nation's gun killings.
The three-story-high clock, bought by a New Jersey businessman, was adding one gun death every 14.8 minutes, based on Federal statistics. The count began at 1 A.M. and was up to 85 by 11:30 P.M.
The "death clock" also showed the estimated number of guns in the United States: more than 220 million, with one new gun added every 5.5 seconds.
The settings will be adjusted each week to reflect the most current statistics available from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the F.B.I. and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The clock is perched atop a nine-story building at the northern end of Times Square. It was paid for by Robert E. Brennan of Brielle, N.J., a former securities broker.
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