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In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent
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The bans were not limited to so-called "assault" weapons or military-type firearms, but also to .22 rifles and shotguns. The effort cost the Australian government about $500 million, said association representative Keith Tidswell.
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Homicide by Any Method
The overall rate of homicide in Australia has also dropped to its lowest point since 1989 (National Homicide Monitoring Program, 1997-98 data). It remains one-fourth the homicide rate in the USA.
The Institute of Criminology report Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999 includes 1998 homicide data showing "a 9% decrease from the rate in 1997." This is the period in which most of the country's new gun laws came into force.
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Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
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Assault and Robbery
Those who claim that Australia suffered a "crime wave" as a result of new gun laws often cite as evidence unrelated figures for common assault or sexual assault (no weapon) and armed robbery (any weapon). In fact less than one in five Australian armed robberies involve a firearm.
"Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low."
-- Recorded Crime, Australia, 1998. Australian Bureau of Statistics, Jun 1999
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Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent
Assaults are up 8.6 percent;
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The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States.
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The bans were not limited to so-called "assault" weapons or military-type firearms, but also to .22 rifles and shotguns. The effort cost the Australian government about $500 million, said association representative Keith Tidswell.
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Police are warning of the dangers of firearms after a Lindisfarne Great-great-grandfather accidentally shot himself in the face while hunting Kangaroos.
Noel Englefield Kingston died on Tuesday night while spotlighting with a friend aged in his 40s on the younger mans property near Stonor, Oatlands.
......The LICENSED weapon-a .22 magnum-belonged to Mr Kingston. Police said the saftey catch was off at the time Mr Kingston was shot.
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You can take a few shots at this one if you like
The banned .22s that were mentioned just might be assault style weapons or maybe even semi-automatics.
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In a pattern that's repeated itself in Canada and Australia, violent crime has continued to go up in Great Britain despite a complete ban on handguns, most rifles and many shotguns. The broad ban that went into effect in 1997 was trumpeted by the British government as a cure for violent crime. The cure has proven to be much worse than the disease.
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Crime rates in England have skyrocketed since the ban was enacted. According to economist John Lott of the American Enterprise Institute, the violent crime rate has risen 69 percent since 1996, with robbery rising 45 percent and murders rising 54 percent. This is even more alarming when you consider that from 1993 to 1997 armed robberies had fallen by 50 percent.
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Meanwhile the FBI reports that in 2003 the nation's violent crime rate declined for the 12th straight year to a 27-year low. The FBI's figures are based on crimes reported to police. By comparison, the U.S. Department of Justice reported in September that, according to its annual national crime victim survey, violent crime reached a 30-year low in 2003.
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Right-to-Carry states fared better than the rest of the country in 2003. On the whole, their total violent crime, murder and robbery rates were 6 percent, 2 percent and 23 percent lower respectively than the states and the District of Columbia where carrying a firearm for protection against criminals is prohibited or severely restricted. On average in Right-to-Carry states the total violent crime, murder, robbery and aggravated assault rates were lower by 27 percent, 32 percent, 45 percent and 20 percent respectively.
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Written by: Patriarch917
Mr. Majestic, you wish us not to look at how overall crime goes up when guns are banned. Instead, you wish us to use only crimes in which a gun is used.
It is good for us that you have brought up this idea in the context of this thread, because the error can easilly be seen. It is fair to look at crimes in which a gun is not used, whether that be rape, home invasion, assault, etc., because one hypothesis is that taking away the guns of citizens will result in these crime rates going up.
If a criminal is in a country like Switzerland, where he knows that every house is likely to have a gun in it, they are very unlikely to choose home invasion as their project for that night. Likewise, muggers and rapists would prefer to be in a city which does not allow citizens to go armed.
Thus, it is fair to note that when guns are taken away from law abiding citizens, certain types of crimes will go up, even if the criminal doesn't use a gun.
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Written by: Patriarch917
I don't think the data you are asking for will answer the questions you are asking.
The data you seek is a comparison between the U.S. crime rates, and another country's crime rates.
You ask:
1. Are people less likely to commit these crimes because there are so many guns around
2. Are people more likely to use guns to commit crimes.
Your "null hypothesis" (in other words, your starting assumption which the data will either prove or disprove) seems to be that if the gun laws of two countries are similar, their crime rates should also be similar. Thus, if we find a difference between the crime rates of the U.S. and England, we would be able to attribute that difference to the gun laws.
The null hypothesis is false. Back when America and England both legally allowed people to own guns, America still had a drastically higher crime rate than England. Countries with similar gun laws have not had similar crime rates. Other factors must have dominated.
Since England has started banning guns, it's crime rates have risen. Meanwhile, American crime rates have been dropping and are hitting all time lows. The gap between the crime rates of the countries is closing.
What could this mean? Gun freedom advocates love to point out that countries which have banned guns have drastically increased their crime rates. Gun control advocates like to point out that the U.S. crime rate is still higher.
What can we conclude? Frankly, I don't think guns have a whole lot to do with crime rates. Sure, a criminal might be deterred from burglary if he thinks that the homeowner might have a gun, but he can always burgle a store instead. I don't think that the U.S.'s declining crime rate is due much to it's gun laws.
Can the skyrocketting crime in countries which have banned guns really be attributed to disarming law abiding citizens? Perhaps a little, but I don't think it is enough to explain it. My guess is that England's crime rate would have risen whether or not guns were banned.
What's really to blame? Violence on TV? More culture migration? Drugs?
I really think that the biggest factor going on is that the world is "flattening." The difference in crime rate between countries like the US and UK is becoming more similar, despite differences in gun laws, because globalization is making our cultures and economies more similar. People do not commit crimes because guns are available in the corner market. Crime is a socio-economic enterprise. The right combination of morality and market forces will dictate whether a man chooses to go work at McDonalds, or go rob one. He may use a gun, but if that is not available he may use a knife, or a toy gun painted black.
The most authoritative looking report which compares the crime rates of the U.S. with other countries, and tries to interpret the data, is found here:
https://www.crimereduction.gov.uk/statistics35.htm
I browsed through most of it. They conclude that the biggest factor influencing crime rates is the rate at which we put criminals in jail, and how long we keep them there. They have the numbers to back it up. The only country which doesn't really fit that explanation is Switzerland. However, we know they are a bunch of nice, nuetral people who all own guns, so it is not suprising that their crime rates don't act like the rest of us.
If what I say is true: that gun laws have a minimal influence on crime rates compared to other factors, then we must return this debate to it's starting point: individual morality.
It is all good and well to try to measure the impact of laws collectively, but if we can't pin down the data to show a collective impact, then we needn't bother speculating about what a law will make "everyone" do. Rather, we can focus on individual liberty, security, and justice.
When the prostitute who shoots a man out of self defense goes on trial, she doesn't want to hear about how we think a law will influence crime rates as compared to other countries. She wants to know whether we will judge her individual actions to be right, or wrong, and what her punishment might be.
Written by: Dj Dantana
cudos patriarch, awsome posts, and thank you for attempting to bring rational and logical thought into the mix.
Before you spend countless hours beating your head against a wall....There is something you need to understand reguarding the style of thinking which many have around here. It has more to do with socialism and communism than anything else.
People who take responsibility for their own life (rather than letting the government do it for them) by deffinition reduce the importance of the "state" which is the opposite of socialist thinking. It is the job of police to stop crimes... not the lowly subjects (which is great when you live next door to a police station).
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And and many of these people are the same ones who applaud when a rape victim goes to jail for picking up a rock during the commition of the crime and braining the offender. after-all... was the rapist REALLY intending on cuming inside? or was he intending on pulling out just before the completion of the dirty deed? OR is it not even the rapist's fault, was it society that drove him to commit this vile deed, and the rapist is in fact the innocent victim?
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BAKERSFIELD, California (AP) -- A military shell given to a group of children by a neighbor exploded while they played with it, killing two children and injuring five others, police and witnesses said.
Police were investigating the cause of Tuesday's explosion, which damaged homes and forced neighbors to wrap bloodied and dazed children in blankets.
"As you can imagine, this was a traumatic experience for the kids and their parents," said Bakersfield Police Detective Greg Terry. "So it's going to take a while to sort things out,"
Andrew Etcheverry, 8, died at the scene, and Jeni Marie Klawitter, 7, died at the Kern Medical Center, the county coroner said.
The victims, the oldest 12 years old, suffered minor to moderate injuries. Police had initially reported that six children were injured but determined that a girl thought to be hurt was not at the scene when it exploded.
Frank Sendejo, who lives near the apartment complex where the explosion occurred, said Wednesday he had given a group of children a 40 mm shell. Police said they have talked with Sendejo.
Sendejo told The Bakersfield Californian that he thought the shell was spent and often used it as a "conversation piece." He said the firing pin and bottom shell casing had been removed, along with the gun powder inside.
"I thought it was harmless," he told the newspaper.
There have been no arrests or charges in the case.
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Written by: FireTom
IMO you could have a fully functionable WWII tank in your front yard, including ammunition.
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Fully automatic weapons have been restricted in the United States since the National Firearms Act of 1934. The only automatic firearms available to civilians are those manufactured before May 19, 1986. Private owners must obtain permission from both the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATF) and the local county sheriff or local chief of police, pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and finger prints, fully register the firearm, continually update the owner's address and location of the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a $200 transfer tax. This process takes approximately 6 months to complete. Additionally, the firearm can never be handled or transported by any other private individual unless the firearm's registered owner is present. Some states require state permission as well, and some states prohibit any sort of possession under any terms. Otherwise, automatic firearms are available only to police or military personnel.
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Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a revision of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and pertains to machine guns, short or "sawed-off" shotguns and rifles, and so-called "destructive devices" (including grenades, mortars, rocket launchers, large projectiles, and other heavy ordance).Acquisition of these weapons is subject to prior approval of the Attorney General, and federal registration is required for possession. Generally, a $200 tax is imposed upon each transfer or making of any Title II weapon.
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Let us pretend, however, that the jury exists entirely of airport security guards, and that they all share a morbid fear of nail clippers.
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Thus, when Firetom asks whether it is "legal" to own a tank, I assume that he is asking whether your average citizen like myself with sufficient funds could simply purchase or manufacture one. It is as if he asked me whether it was legal to own a tiger or smoke pot.
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Yes, the mini gun, I didn't actually notice the not available to civilians until I scrolled back up to the top of the page, but I did toss a couple in my shopping cart just for fun.
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