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Posted:There has already been lots of discussion on dancing and body movement. I don't think I can add much to Duvan's thread here



But, I did have an idea for a way to express body movement in the same sort of broad terms as poi, and I found it helped me when initially thinking of new movements to incorporate into moves, and has been a basis for all sorts of moves I've been working on since:



Anti: any move where a part of your body is moving in a different direction to the poi (i.e any antispin)

Similar: when you move a body part in a way that is the same direction as that of the poi, but not on the same scale or time

Congruent: when you move a body part in a way that is exactly the same as they way the poi are moving (i.e isolations, longarm circles)

Isolation: when a body part remains completely still



Now, this will probably confuse people when thinking about poi terms as well, so forget about the poi moves and focus on the movement of the body instead, and how you want the poi to be following your movement . These are intended as very BROAD terms only, and the most important thing to remember is that they can be applied to any body part.



i.e:

fountains with anti head movement

stalls with congruent leg movement



I hope someone gets something out of this ubbangel

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Posted:Written by: LazyAngel

fountains with anti head movement



i was going to post about fountains the other day and how they (i think uniquely) have a possible 3 centres of rotation.

but then i thought "if i learn rev as weave i would be able to spin all combinations of a fountain" so ididn't post anything and span some poi instead.

i didn't manage to learn half of the rev as weave though so i still can't spin all of the combinations... rolleyes


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Posted:offtopic were the clips I made not helpful in that endeavor cole? is there perhaps somethinh

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Posted:cole: much as that is an awesome idea, it's not really what I was getting at. By 'head' I meant the thing atop your shoulders, not the poi head

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Posted:I do love crazy b-boy style: I'm going to look over there, while my staff is over here then when I move my staff over there, I'm going to look over here head movements.

They feel both super silly and like I'm really really cool. biggrin


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Posted:rev - sorry, i haven't seen your clips other than the inversion stuff - no d/l here at work and i haven't been online at home for a while now.

lazyangel - ubblol redface sorry for the tangent.
good thread smile


one thing that i've mentioned before that i noticed is part of how i spin is delayed 'similar' movement i.e. making the body lead the poi.

this is an amalgamation of things like: early turns (think 90 degree turns before every crossover), looking ahead to your next turn/where the poi will be, leaning towards the poi, (poi)head manipulation (e.g pulls into catches).


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Posted:What about influences of other dance styles into Poi spinning like Break-dancing, Elelctic-boogie as a street styles or Thai-ti and Martial arts?

For example I uses some breakdance styles to prepar legs for spinning.


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Posted:hmmm break dancing a poi + poi with feet and hands = some crazy images in my head atm.

i never really thought how i dance with poi, it just kinda happens, and although ive neer done any Tai Chi, it kinda feels like i imagine that to feel, lots of weight transfers around the poi


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Posted:meg: yeah! I do like over the shoulder waistwaraps while turning the head away. The whole 'I don't even need to look' thing rules! cool

cole: yeah that's the sort of thing I'm on about smile

Richee: those styles are very cool if you can find a way to free your body movement from the movement of spinning poi, or moves which work within the movement of the dance. Example, if you isolate on seperate sides of your body in different directions, you can exagerrate it into a punching motion that is very similar in technique to the punches I learnt in kung fu. smile

The essence of what I'm getting at is to think about the movement rather than the spinning. One exercise would be to think of a body movement, then carry out that movement with poi in your hands while spinning circles, swinging pendulums or isolating. Do not focus on the poi, solely on carrying out the movement without hitting yourself!


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Posted:
Good luck to contortionists who can do over the shoulder waistwraps

Think Ill stick to upper fountains wink


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Posted:Ah, I was doing it as a "Where is my staff? Over there? <transition> No? It doesn't appear to be over there..." Thing... And just to anti-spin your head really... For the fun of it.

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Posted:On a slight tangent-

The 'i don't need to look' reminded me of doing BTB inwrd butterfly throws from a cross arm release-

SO Inward BF, right hand crossesto crosser position under or over left shoulder and release-

Poi flys BTB and magically appears ready to be caught by the right hand now returned to its own side of the body.

If you sell it it really messes with your head. Contiuous looks rude as as well wink


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Posted:Circle gliding / "true moonwalk" with low-waves is nice smile
Good exercise in hand/foot independence...

Nice thread though - breaking down movement with poi into simiair families of moves. In some ways you could be mathmatical with this and go through the different combinations of each body move with each poi move - but this would be dull smile

[Music related side note]
It reminds me a bif of a kit-drumming exercice called "Fat Back" (As in it's designed so you can learn to play some fat back beats I think...)
~ Counting 4 16th's/Semi-quavers as 1e+a

It's a list of 40-odd 1-beat bars. Starting with a beat on 1, then on the 'e' of 1, then the '+' of 1 finally the 'a' of 1 - You then have all the variations of 2 16th notes in a 4-beat bar ('1e', '1+', '1a' ,'e+', 'ea' etc etc) on each beat, then 3 16th's then 4 16th's i.e. all beats.
(You can go even further by then introducing triplets)

So you then take 4 exercises and use one on each limb - for example - LH doing '1e', RH doing '+', LF doing '+a' and RF doing 1+a.
You can basically come up with an huge number of combinations and iron out every permutation of 4-way coordination - especially if you then combine them into 4-beat phrases with every limb doing something different each beat.

[back on topic]

So, to apply this to the thread ( wink ) - You can take a poi move and apply all those "body moves" in turn with each limb and see what you can come up with, then work through each variation of each poi move with each body movement - i.e. forward, backward, sync'd, split timed, BTB, anti-spin, WW, inverted, isolated etc, each with congruent, anti-spin, isolated body movements.

That is if you have too much time on your hands smile


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Posted:dear mr durbs, despite the tutelage of both yourself and the weasel, i am still utterly rubbish at those basic sideways glide things. i think i'm missing some vital component in my understanding of the concept. Or possibly i'm just cackfooted.

Can you point me in the direction of good instructions on the net somewhere?


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Posted:stone: that's normal OTS waistwraps, not BTB OTS waistwraps (ouch!)

meg: ahh, I getcha! my closest move to that is (in the whole silly but cool feeling) one hand on top of the head spinning in the ceiling plane while anti turning. Makes you feel like a carousel..

Chutney: hmmm, sounds like fun, have to give that a shot sometime

Durbs: exactly! there are loads of combinations! but you would need a very big diagram or list to work them all out. Possibly one large enough to take up all four walls of my room. Or maybe even bigger than that ubbidea actually, how cool would that be... wallpaper with spinning theory on it! (geek heaven) ubbangel


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Posted:In terms of writing it down - it's not that bad...
The drum example fits onto one A4 of sheet music - so it's only a matter of writing down all the poi moves you know and numbering them 1-x, and all the body moves you want to try also number 1-x.
Then get a chalk board and pick random number combinations on each limb...

Or - just put some music on and dance around like a loon smile


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Posted:Simian - Try and download "ill Dill's gliding tutorial" (which comes under various file names... Very good clear advice from beginenrs up to advance.
Oh, and it's about 80% foot-strength and 20% technique, so lots of dull exercies or just lots of practising are the only ways to nail them smile


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Posted:Written by: Durbs


Or - just put some music on and dance around like a loon smile





that'd be me then smile



I guess the main body parts would be:

head

torso

pelvis

right leg (thigh and shin)

left leg (thigh and shin)

right arm

left arm

right foot

left foot

eyes (potentially, but I wouldn't be bothered)



body parts i'm not so sure can be used in this way

fingers

elbows

knees

toes

heels

shoulders

hands (are difficult as they have a lot of impact on the tragectory of the poi)



silly body parts to use

jaw

ears

genitalia

butt cheeks

nose


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Posted:Durbs:

Ill gills gliding tutorial: Searched on Reflective.net and they seem to be the worse non-hosting bunch of annoying, hey pm me!, or hey go on soulseek! people in the world ever! Do these people have no HOSTING! "Well I know a friend who put it on his friends server a year ago, in russia..."

Who cares, I want to DOWNLOAD IT! ARGH!

You tease me with these ghost videos!

Can you send it to me, and then I can host it?

I'm tempted to put my video collection on the net anyway, I've got about 1 gig of free space and stupid amounts of bandwidth...


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Posted:It's about 84mb I think... (Very comprehensive) So it'd be a bit of a bandwidhth killer for general hosting - possibly could host it for a select few though wink

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Posted:I laugh in the face of your big files!

Actually I have 3.8 gb left, Hmmmmmmm, Gigabytes...

and how much bandwidth? 120gb per month? Really? Wow, that's more than I'm really ever going to use...


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Posted:meg: maybe you could host some of the PiP files as the site seems to be down these days?

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Posted:Cool - Grab me on msn at DurbsUK on the hot male thing wink
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Posted:pmage.

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Posted:Yeah, I realized years ago how cool gliding and poi would look but I know I'm never gonna get there. Especially since I'm not even trying. wink

But I'll definitely watch you guys do it. biggrin


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Posted:I want a copy of that! Meg, if you host it, lemme know pls.

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Posted:Great topic Lazy Angel, I love there body movement threads. And for sure BTB OTS waistwraps would take some practice wink But I was really having a go at your terminology. Like over the shoulder waistwraps seems like a oxymoron to me.



Try some contra.





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Posted:would PK mind if i hosted his videos while Pip is down then?
seems like some wikkid videos need sharing!


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Posted:stone: yeah I know it is a bit of a wierd way to describe it, but if i start saying shoulderwraps I reckon people might get even more confused. Cos the move is like a waistwrap in feel (mostly) and execution, I thus described it as an OTS waistwrap. These days you just say waistwrap and everyone thinks BTB not the 'normal' variety.
Anyway that OTS waistwrap is NOT being described by the terminology I put in the first post, which was intended merely to get people thinking about the possibilities of body movement while spinning

Sorry for any confusion, and what is contra?


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Posted:Soulderwraps are called Thru wraps. The difference is that wrap wrap some part of body and twist aroud the wrap point into full wrap and than can be recoiled. So its like tap, an untap.



Thu wrap, uses this wrap point only to turn around this new center making smaller circle.



Contra, like contra-productive meen something like against.


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