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Is anyone else disturbed by this trend that has emerged for dressing small children in clothes bearing suggestive messages? A tour around the kid's section in any store will turn up t-shirts reading "So many boys, so little time..." or "I'm wild, tame me." I have even seen ones with "4 Play" and the ilk, coming in sizes designed for five year olds.
The implications are probably beyond all but the most precocious child, but really, do the parents think it's cute to have this kind of stuff on their child?
Some shoe shops sell platform and heeled shoes for tiny feet, I've seen butt floss/g-strings/thongs (not the foot sort, Australians note) for ages 7-10. Make-up now comes endorsed by pre-teen idols to sell it to children.
Whether it's by what they see on TV and their pester-power, or sadly misguided adults, it seems that the age when a child becomes something else is becoming younger and younger.
Is anyone else disturbed by this trend that has emerged for dressing small children in clothes bearing suggestive messages? A tour around the kid's section in any store will turn up t-shirts reading "So many boys, so little time..." or "I'm wild, tame me." I have even seen ones with "4 Play" and the ilk, coming in sizes designed for five year olds.
The implications are probably beyond all but the most precocious child, but really, do the parents think it's cute to have this kind of stuff on their child?
Some shoe shops sell platform and heeled shoes for tiny feet, I've seen butt floss/g-strings/thongs (not the foot sort, Australians note) for ages 7-10. Make-up now comes endorsed by pre-teen idols to sell it to children.
Whether it's by what they see on TV and their pester-power, or sadly misguided adults, it seems that the age when a child becomes something else is becoming younger and younger.
There is a slight possibility that I am not actually right all of the time.
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I think kids grow up far too quickly these days. kids with top of the range mobile phones... designer clothes (not before you start mentioning the various and nefarious style of some of these clothes). I think its sad in a way, childhood is something special to be cherished, and it seems like these days its something thats shed as soon as possible.
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I think kids grow up far too quickly these days. kids with top of the range mobile phones... designer clothes (not before you start mentioning the various and nefarious style of some of these clothes). I think its sad in a way, childhood is something special to be cherished, and it seems like these days its something thats shed as soon as possible.
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Posted:
I think it is awful that some parents will buy that stuff for their children.
I have seen children walking around (we are talking about seven - ten years of age) wearing clothes that look like they belong on a street walker. They are way to sexually oriented.
I feel sorry for the children, I mean what kind of morals are we instilling on them at that age if we let them dress like that...
Not to mention the damage that those heels and platforms can do to a young developing body.
And make up...OMG...I have seen seven year olds with foundation and full on facials?
Their poor skin....why why why?
It's very saddening...
I think it is awful that some parents will buy that stuff for their children.
I have seen children walking around (we are talking about seven - ten years of age) wearing clothes that look like they belong on a street walker. They are way to sexually oriented.
I feel sorry for the children, I mean what kind of morals are we instilling on them at that age if we let them dress like that...
Not to mention the damage that those heels and platforms can do to a young developing body.
And make up...OMG...I have seen seven year olds with foundation and full on facials?
Their poor skin....why why why?
It's very saddening...
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Posted:
tell me about it. I work in shipping and we havea contract for 1 of the countries biggest make-up suppliers. I have several catalogues purely for make-up for the under 10's. It's marketed as make-up for the young "lady" using titles like chic and 1 catalogue is called the "popping out" collection.
tell me about it. I work in shipping and we havea contract for 1 of the countries biggest make-up suppliers. I have several catalogues purely for make-up for the under 10's. It's marketed as make-up for the young "lady" using titles like chic and 1 catalogue is called the "popping out" collection.
A couple of balls short of a full cascade... or maybe a few cards short of a deck... we'll see how this all fans out.
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Its wrong... so very very wrong.
Its wrong... so very very wrong.
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Posted:
And so it began with the 60's.
Yes, I agree - far too much, far too young.
But it's no surprise, other thing happen that I find disgusting along these lines. I was an assistant manager at a movie theater - and every day, without a doubt, a good number of parents would bring their children to the R rated films. It was quite disgusting.
No wonder why more and more children are ending up in Juvenile Detention instead of in college.
And so it began with the 60's.
Yes, I agree - far too much, far too young.
But it's no surprise, other thing happen that I find disgusting along these lines. I was an assistant manager at a movie theater - and every day, without a doubt, a good number of parents would bring their children to the R rated films. It was quite disgusting.
No wonder why more and more children are ending up in Juvenile Detention instead of in college.
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It's odd... not so long ago, kids were forced to work, and girls were married aged 12 or 14.
Then we got all these wonderful laws that made it possible for children and teenagers to take their time growing up.
And now it all reverses again - more and more pregnant teenagers, the clothes you've mentioned, the make-up, having to plan your extra-curricular activities as soon as you enter high school so you'll get a place at a good college etc, you have to be up-to date on technology, you need designer clothes so you need a part-time job when you're 14... it seems society just can't accept children for what they are.
I'm so glad I managed to grow up in the gap between these two!
It's odd... not so long ago, kids were forced to work, and girls were married aged 12 or 14.
Then we got all these wonderful laws that made it possible for children and teenagers to take their time growing up.
And now it all reverses again - more and more pregnant teenagers, the clothes you've mentioned, the make-up, having to plan your extra-curricular activities as soon as you enter high school so you'll get a place at a good college etc, you have to be up-to date on technology, you need designer clothes so you need a part-time job when you're 14... it seems society just can't accept children for what they are.
I'm so glad I managed to grow up in the gap between these two!
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Posted:
Don't get me started on this topic!
There are year 7's, YEAR 7'S, that's 12-13 year olds...having sex with boys and having mobile phones. Getting drunk and smoking, wearing revealing clothing and getting brazillian waxes.
It absolutely disgusts me. Call me old fashioned, but I was never like this when I was 13...
The fact that a lot of them have the confidence to mouth off to a year 12 student about what they're wearing (year 12's are out of uniform at our school, never happened to me but to a close friend). We were NEVER like that. We wouldn't dare even look at a big year 12 student twice back then...
Ugh....I hate this generation!
Don't get me started on this topic!
There are year 7's, YEAR 7'S, that's 12-13 year olds...having sex with boys and having mobile phones. Getting drunk and smoking, wearing revealing clothing and getting brazillian waxes.
It absolutely disgusts me. Call me old fashioned, but I was never like this when I was 13...
The fact that a lot of them have the confidence to mouth off to a year 12 student about what they're wearing (year 12's are out of uniform at our school, never happened to me but to a close friend). We were NEVER like that. We wouldn't dare even look at a big year 12 student twice back then...
Ugh....I hate this generation!
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What kind of sick beautician would give a 12 year old a brazilian wax?
Last year a couple of boys who looked/sounded about 8/9 years old and wandering round the streets unsupervised told me I had 'nice tits'. What the...?!
What kind of sick beautician would give a 12 year old a brazilian wax?
Last year a couple of boys who looked/sounded about 8/9 years old and wandering round the streets unsupervised told me I had 'nice tits'. What the...?!
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*sigh*
What the hell are parents playing at?
Seriously!?
*sigh*
What the hell are parents playing at?
Seriously!?
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Posted:
t-shirt hell
this web site contains some pretty bad t-shirts for kids/babies, thats right, new borns.
t-shirt hell
this web site contains some pretty bad t-shirts for kids/babies, thats right, new borns.
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While I was in Hastings, I was spinning in the park with Aimée, And these two kids came and watched us, and asked us how we did things. Fair enough, I thought. A half hour or so later, I asked them how old they were. The the elder of the two was abouut 9 or 10, I think, and his little brother was four. I then asked where their parents where, because they had been sitting near us for quite a time.
"our mum lets me take my brother to the park for the day" he replied. This shocked the hell outta me!! Hastings isn't exactly the nicest town in britain to hang out in, whatever age you are. The fact that a parent let their four year old son out of their sight, without trusted adult supervision, for practically the whole day, made me so angry.
What if someone wanted to abduct them? This sort of thing isn't unheard of in Hastings, along with drunks on every corner, drug addicts, chavs everywhere... the elder of the two would be helpless to stop anything from happening!
While I was in Hastings, I was spinning in the park with Aimée, And these two kids came and watched us, and asked us how we did things. Fair enough, I thought. A half hour or so later, I asked them how old they were. The the elder of the two was abouut 9 or 10, I think, and his little brother was four. I then asked where their parents where, because they had been sitting near us for quite a time.
"our mum lets me take my brother to the park for the day" he replied. This shocked the hell outta me!! Hastings isn't exactly the nicest town in britain to hang out in, whatever age you are. The fact that a parent let their four year old son out of their sight, without trusted adult supervision, for practically the whole day, made me so angry.
What if someone wanted to abduct them? This sort of thing isn't unheard of in Hastings, along with drunks on every corner, drug addicts, chavs everywhere... the elder of the two would be helpless to stop anything from happening!
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We had an interesting encounter with a mini-chav a few months ago... we were practicing a routine for Beltane, and a boy of about 10 years with a tesco bag came along, and kept asking when we'd start lighting up... it was past 10 pm, and there were no parents or older siblings to be seen.
After a while he got a bit annoying, so one of us said "why don't you just stay over there and wait for 10 minutes". The kid said "Stop fxcking patronising me, arsehole".
If I were a 10-y-old all alone in a freezing park in a big city, I'd want someone to patronise me... but he was probably used to noone looking after him he turned put to be good fun when we made him the official "watch if somebody's hair is on fire" person so he had something to do and stopped getting too close to the burning toys out of boredom.
We had an interesting encounter with a mini-chav a few months ago... we were practicing a routine for Beltane, and a boy of about 10 years with a tesco bag came along, and kept asking when we'd start lighting up... it was past 10 pm, and there were no parents or older siblings to be seen.
After a while he got a bit annoying, so one of us said "why don't you just stay over there and wait for 10 minutes". The kid said "Stop fxcking patronising me, arsehole".
If I were a 10-y-old all alone in a freezing park in a big city, I'd want someone to patronise me... but he was probably used to noone looking after him
he turned put to be good fun when we made him the official "watch if somebody's hair is on fire" person so he had something to do and stopped getting too close to the burning toys out of boredom. "vices are like genitals - most are ugly to behold, and yet we find that our own are dear to us."
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^Good idea Birgit
Bad parenting. Why do you want to make your child look like a sex object? Cute?
I think people should have to have a licence to have children...
^Good idea Birgit
Bad parenting. Why do you want to make your child look like a sex object? Cute?
I think people should have to have a licence to have children...
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There are some messed up parents these days, messing up there own kids it rediculouse. Chavs are beyond me, how messed up are they to have the nerve to ask for money of strangers round town, and then call them [censored] dickheads when they say 'no sorry'? I mean how stupid are they do they really think people are gonna give them money because they ask?
England used to be such a wonderfull country. Think about this, how much better was england pre 1970's? Look at it now 40 years on, its going to the dogs. We've changed so much its like, 1900's we had classes and rules to stick too and we did.
Now in the year 2000 we have mini chavs (nice phrase) stabbing children in the streets, daisy chaining (orgys between kids, no adults involed here to blame!) 14 year olds attacking 2 year olds, who remembers that story? What the hell are 13 14 year old kids attacking toddlers in the woods for or whatever it was?
I actualy think that england is going through a mental illness epidemic, seriously.
There are some messed up parents these days, messing up there own kids it rediculouse. Chavs are beyond me, how messed up are they to have the nerve to ask for money of strangers round town, and then call them [censored] dickheads when they say 'no sorry'? I mean how stupid are they do they really think people are gonna give them money because they ask?
England used to be such a wonderfull country. Think about this, how much better was england pre 1970's? Look at it now 40 years on, its going to the dogs. We've changed so much its like, 1900's we had classes and rules to stick too and we did.
Now in the year 2000 we have mini chavs (nice phrase) stabbing children in the streets, daisy chaining (orgys between kids, no adults involed here to blame!) 14 year olds attacking 2 year olds, who remembers that story? What the hell are 13 14 year old kids attacking toddlers in the woods for or whatever it was?
I actualy think that england is going through a mental illness epidemic, seriously.
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That was just something the tabloids blew completly out of proportion. It doesn't really happen that often, if at all
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daisy chaining (orgys between kids, no adults involed here to blame!) .
That was just something the tabloids blew completly out of proportion. It doesn't really happen that often, if at all
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you referring to the case of James Bolger? Be careful what you say here. Plus, this happened *years* ago. I think the two involved are my age...ish, now.
My impression was that this was the reason that the original Child's Play movie was banned in Britain, because these teenagers watched it, got ideas, and did terrible things. I could be wrong, please let me know if I am...
I also heard that the teenagers in question, were given, or are to be given new identities upon their release as well, otherwise they would be extremely unemployable, and get victimised for their wrong doings that took place when they were younger. Wrong doings that they have paid a price for. (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I agree with all this, I'm just remaining neutral on this particular subject)
The problem today is that Kids have little or no respect for their elders. It's not their fault, most of the time. Children are visual learners, and very impressionable. They follow examples. If their parents are mouthy
, have no respect for authority, and are general trouble makers, they're gonna think at a very early age that this is OK, and copy. Other's copy friends that they look up to, or fear, who are like this.
When I grew up, I had a lot of respect for my parents. I knew that if I misbehaved, I would get a slap. This is what kept me in check. Kids nowadays know that if they got a slap, they could also get social services involved... This deters parents from providing any discipline. But, this is an entirely different debate, and one that could go on for ever, and has the possibility of getting nasty...
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14 year olds attacking 2 year olds, who remembers that story? What the hell are 13 14 year old kids attacking toddlers in the woods for or whatever it was?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you referring to the case of James Bolger? Be careful what you say here. Plus, this happened *years* ago. I think the two involved are my age...ish, now.
My impression was that this was the reason that the original Child's Play movie was banned in Britain, because these teenagers watched it, got ideas, and did terrible things. I could be wrong, please let me know if I am...
I also heard that the teenagers in question, were given, or are to be given new identities upon their release as well, otherwise they would be extremely unemployable, and get victimised for their wrong doings that took place when they were younger. Wrong doings that they have paid a price for. (don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I agree with all this, I'm just remaining neutral on this particular subject)
The problem today is that Kids have little or no respect for their elders. It's not their fault, most of the time. Children are visual learners, and very impressionable. They follow examples. If their parents are mouthy
, have no respect for authority, and are general trouble makers, they're gonna think at a very early age that this is OK, and copy. Other's copy friends that they look up to, or fear, who are like this.When I grew up, I had a lot of respect for my parents. I knew that if I misbehaved, I would get a slap. This is what kept me in check. Kids nowadays know that if they got a slap, they could also get social services involved... This deters parents from providing any discipline. But, this is an entirely different debate, and one that could go on for ever, and has the possibility of getting nasty...
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*shudders and just doesnt want to know*
thats just... no im not going to even... *goes to burn some bad parents*
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daisy chaining (orgys between kids, no adults involed here to blame!)
*shudders and just doesnt want to know*
thats just... no im not going to even... *goes to burn some bad parents*
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i think it is partly due to the ban on smacking a kid
most parents rarly used it - i think i got smacked once
it was enough and acted as a good deterant
also there is lack of disapline in classes. schools cant expele kids because no other schools will accept them. also kids are constantly being told their rights etc. as a result they are very clued up on what adults can and cant do to them - unfortunatly a lot of them dont realise the system works two ways
as for dressing kids up
its because all kids are despirate to seem adult. (well teenage at least) and they see teenagers etc who the look up to wearing this kinda thing so they do
as for the baby stuff thats just mildly sick and twisted - funny in some cases but still sick.
i think it is partly due to the ban on smacking a kid
most parents rarly used it - i think i got smacked once
it was enough and acted as a good deterant
also there is lack of disapline in classes. schools cant expele kids because no other schools will accept them. also kids are constantly being told their rights etc. as a result they are very clued up on what adults can and cant do to them - unfortunatly a lot of them dont realise the system works two ways
as for dressing kids up
its because all kids are despirate to seem adult. (well teenage at least) and they see teenagers etc who the look up to wearing this kinda thing so they do
as for the baby stuff thats just mildly sick and twisted - funny in some cases but still sick.
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The thing about 13-14 yr olds attacking a younger child was NOT the Bolger (sp? Bulger?) case. It was much more recent (last month I think) and involved a girl trying to hang another child. The kid went back to his parents after playing in the forest with rope burns/strangle marks on his neck.
There are two different issues here: Bad parenting and "Adulthood" getting earlier.
I hate bad parents. There should be a psychological evalutation you have to go through first. My current GF has a sith mother, who constantly puts her down, complains and criticises. I'm aware that many children have it worse, but I get so sodding angry about how she's treated at home. And I can't walk up to her mother and say "Look, you suck as a parent" despite the fact that I could easily do better. Even I know that you have to praise your child eventually.
I second everything Roarfire said about Yr 7s and lack of respect. etc etc. People knifing each other. Having sex at 12-13. Do you even have hair down there to GET waxed at that age??? I think maybe I'll go live in Switzerland or something when I decide to have kids. Or maybe NZ... Surely England has to be one of the worst countries for a child to get socialised in at the moment?
*Screams and moves to another continent*
The thing about 13-14 yr olds attacking a younger child was NOT the Bolger (sp? Bulger?) case. It was much more recent (last month I think) and involved a girl trying to hang another child. The kid went back to his parents after playing in the forest with rope burns/strangle marks on his neck.
There are two different issues here: Bad parenting and "Adulthood" getting earlier.
I hate bad parents. There should be a psychological evalutation you have to go through first. My current GF has a sith mother, who constantly puts her down, complains and criticises. I'm aware that many children have it worse, but I get so sodding angry about how she's treated at home. And I can't walk up to her mother and say "Look, you suck as a parent" despite the fact that I could easily do better. Even I know that you have to praise your child eventually.
I second everything Roarfire said about Yr 7s and lack of respect. etc etc. People knifing each other. Having sex at 12-13. Do you even have hair down there to GET waxed at that age??? I think maybe I'll go live in Switzerland or something when I decide to have kids. Or maybe NZ... Surely England has to be one of the worst countries for a child to get socialised in at the moment?
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i get the bad feeling its spreading....
hense a erason i dont want kids
maybe i should be come a hermit .....
i wouldnt say adult hood is getting eariler particularly - i would jst say that young teenagers are becoming more extreme in there mimicry of young adults
11-14 year olds have always mimiced those older but now as society becomes more liberal and this age group especailly so (almost hedenistic) its being reflected mroe in younger kids
also i agree with what you said about not even looking oddly at 6th formers
having just finished 6th form we had to put up with some of the mouthest lil ive known
i get the bad feeling its spreading....
hense a erason i dont want kids
maybe i should be come a hermit .....
i wouldnt say adult hood is getting eariler particularly - i would jst say that young teenagers are becoming more extreme in there mimicry of young adults
11-14 year olds have always mimiced those older but now as society becomes more liberal and this age group especailly so (almost hedenistic) its being reflected mroe in younger kids
also i agree with what you said about not even looking oddly at 6th formers
having just finished 6th form we had to put up with some of the mouthest lil
ive known back
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Aah... The 'does anyone remember that case' made me think it was years ago...
I never heard about this one. I am so cut off from the rest of the world...
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The thing about 13-14 yr olds attacking a younger child was NOT the Bolger (sp? Bulger?) case. It was much more recent (last month I think) and involved a girl trying to hang another child. The kid went back to his parents after playing in the forest with rope burns/strangle marks on his neck.
Aah... The 'does anyone remember that case' made me think it was years ago...
I never heard about this one. I am so cut off from the rest of the world...
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Bull honkey. When you grew up things were exactly as they are now. Parents were just as inept 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 300, and 2,342 years ago as they are now. And kids were equally disrespectful of their elders, too.
Don't believe me? Talk to any old person with their head set on straight. "There is nothing new under the sun."
3,000 years ago Aristotle (or some such member of "that crowd") said that with the way kids are these days the world won't last another decade.
"The kids these days..." Yeah...like our generation or the generation before ours was any better. My generation is made of a bunch of worthless slackers with a few golden exceptions.
Written by: Loves the Circus
When I grew up, I had a lot of respect for my parents. I knew that if I misbehaved, I would get a slap. This is what kept me in check. Kids nowadays know that if they got a slap, they could also get social services involved... This deters parents from providing any discipline. But, this is an entirely different debate, and one that could go on for ever, and has the possibility of getting nasty...
Bull honkey. When you grew up things were exactly as they are now. Parents were just as inept 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 300, and 2,342 years ago as they are now. And kids were equally disrespectful of their elders, too.
Don't believe me? Talk to any old person with their head set on straight. "There is nothing new under the sun."
3,000 years ago Aristotle (or some such member of "that crowd") said that with the way kids are these days the world won't last another decade.
"The kids these days..." Yeah...like our generation or the generation before ours was any better. My generation is made of a bunch of worthless slackers with a few golden exceptions.
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this subject really disturbes me too - i have a big issue with it. Its gross, its a perversion.
I see girls still in primary school, under 11, dressed with really short skirts and died hair and the like - it makes me so angry that parents let their kids dress "fashionably" instead of dressing at their age level. It really sickens me to the core! and there's so much paedophilia emerging. I've seen middle aged guys leering at scantily clad pre-teens in town and it's very unnerving.
I wish I'd stayed a kid for longer as growing up sucks and you have to deal with "reality" lol
this subject really disturbes me too - i have a big issue with it. Its gross, its a perversion.
I see girls still in primary school, under 11, dressed with really short skirts and died hair and the like - it makes me so angry that parents let their kids dress "fashionably" instead of dressing at their age level. It really sickens me to the core! and there's so much paedophilia emerging. I've seen middle aged guys leering at scantily clad pre-teens in town and it's very unnerving.
I wish I'd stayed a kid for longer as growing up sucks and you have to deal with "reality" lol
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Yeah, that is a valid point, but it seems that the youth of today aren't growing out of their insolence.
Written by: Doc Lightning
Bull honkey. When you grew up things were exactly as they are now. Parents were just as inept 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 300, and 2,342 years ago as they are now. And kids were equally disrespectful of their elders, too.
Don't believe me? Talk to any old person with their head set on straight. "There is nothing new under the sun."
3,000 years ago Aristotle (or some such member of "that crowd") said that with the way kids are these days the world won't last another decade.
"The kids these days..." Yeah...like our generation or the generation before ours was any better. My generation is made of a bunch of worthless slackers with a few golden exceptions.
Yeah, that is a valid point, but it seems that the youth of today aren't growing out of their insolence.
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Doc, I have to disagree with you there. As far as I'm aware (from reading books from the time) schoolchildren did NOT go around knifing each other and mouthing off at 6th formers during the 1940s. I'm sure every generation has complained about the "Youth of today" since time immemorial, but as far as I'm aware, the last time gangs of teens patrolled the streets looking to beat people up, it was at the collapse of the Roman Empire (Or possibly the 80s
)
AS far as I'm aware, things have grown progressively worse since the 1980s.
Doc, I have to disagree with you there. As far as I'm aware (from reading books from the time) schoolchildren did NOT go around knifing each other and mouthing off at 6th formers during the 1940s. I'm sure every generation has complained about the "Youth of today" since time immemorial, but as far as I'm aware, the last time gangs of teens patrolled the streets looking to beat people up, it was at the collapse of the Roman Empire (Or possibly the 80s
)AS far as I'm aware, things have grown progressively worse since the 1980s.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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I dont know whats happening to kids these days, it really is scary, i got a load of kids come up to me spinning fire at the park so its pretty dark, at their age my parents wouldnt ever allow me to go out at night and do that sutff, it really worries me.
even worse, what about the next generation when they teach their kids how to behave, things are really gonna go to [censored]
I dont know whats happening to kids these days, it really is scary, i got a load of kids come up to me spinning fire at the park so its pretty dark, at their age my parents wouldnt ever allow me to go out at night and do that sutff, it really worries me.
even worse, what about the next generation when they teach their kids how to behave, things are really gonna go to [censored]
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Posted:
Things these days are completely different.. perhaps not in all ways, but in some for sure.
Some wise words from a great bloke -
"Kids today are getting old too fast
They can’t wait to grow up
So they can kick some ass
They get nostalgic about the last ten years
Before the last ten years have passed" - Ben Folds
Things are different, as time is changing - everything is just happening so damn fast. Sit back and watch everything go past, it's scary what you may see.. Kids are growing up way too fast, people are losing consideration for eachother, and in some cases their children, sadly.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with there actually being such a thing as childhood. So many just want to go back there forever, to get lost in the magic and pure innocence of everything. And loss of innocence is what so many kids seem to be striving for these days - both sexually and mentally. Though in the majority of cases, there is not the maturity to make natural sense of anything. The 10-year-old boy Birgit mentioned, for example. Wandering a 'freezing park in a big city' at night, he obviously feels safe enough - often known as the 'invincible complex' where people just don't appreciate the reality of the situation safety wise - his rude mouth and not wanting to be patronised.. sadly, a lack of parenting about language.. and a lack of maturity. But hey, he's just a 10-year-old, so I'm not saying he should hold the maturity of a 20year-old, it saddens me that his parents give him the responsibility to be more mature than his years. Good on you Birgit for giving him something to feel part of, a singular 10-year-old boy wandering the streets at night is usually a lonely one.
As mentioned by Loves the Circus and Linden, discipline never hurt anybody. well it might have at the time, but at least you knew, deep down, that you deserved it, no matter how much you protested. Things have just gone too far with kids being able to call on 'child protection' services if they get smacked at home - sad because this takes the service away from children in dire need;homeless, or abused children ['actual' abuse] for example. Also true, that they do not realise that the system works two ways, the realisation hitting that there's no magical service to take away all of life's struggles later in life may come as quite a shock, unfortunately.
I'm not having a rant at parents, no, I know raising a child is no easy task. And to discipline a child hurts the parent as well as the child, but is ultimately beneficial for both in the end. I remember my dad used to hit my brother and I across our backsides with a leather belt when we'd misbehaved. You may think that a little harsh, and of course we did at the time - in the beginning we would run howling to our rooms, then as we grew older, we just learnt to bite our tongues and head to our rooms silently. And the pulsing red stripe across our bums sure as hell made sure we wouldn't do it next time, either. Growing up is tough, for sure, but out of being taught the proper ways to do things and to treat people, a lot of respect is formed for those who taught you - and in turn, received from treating others correctly.
I apologise for digressing from the beginning topic, though these issues are all interconnected. Sexualisation of children is, quite frankly, disgusting. Children should be left to being children, it only happens once in a lifetime. Unfortunately, other than us protesting children's clothing ranges to the manufacturers or make-up campaigns (Mynci?
), it'll just have to be a conscious choice that parents will have to make to actually think about what they're dressing their children in; and in some cases, realising that their children are real people and not 'fashion accessories'.
What to do? One person cannot change the world alone, though the mass choices of singular people can be amazing.
Things these days are completely different.. perhaps not in all ways, but in some for sure.
Some wise words from a great bloke -
"Kids today are getting old too fast
They can’t wait to grow up
So they can kick some ass
They get nostalgic about the last ten years
Before the last ten years have passed" - Ben Folds
Things are different, as time is changing - everything is just happening so damn fast. Sit back and watch everything go past, it's scary what you may see.. Kids are growing up way too fast, people are losing consideration for eachother, and in some cases their children, sadly.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with there actually being such a thing as childhood. So many just want to go back there forever, to get lost in the magic and pure innocence of everything. And loss of innocence is what so many kids seem to be striving for these days - both sexually and mentally. Though in the majority of cases, there is not the maturity to make natural sense of anything. The 10-year-old boy Birgit mentioned, for example. Wandering a 'freezing park in a big city' at night, he obviously feels safe enough - often known as the 'invincible complex' where people just don't appreciate the reality of the situation safety wise - his rude mouth and not wanting to be patronised.. sadly, a lack of parenting about language.. and a lack of maturity. But hey, he's just a 10-year-old, so I'm not saying he should hold the maturity of a 20year-old, it saddens me that his parents give him the responsibility to be more mature than his years. Good on you Birgit for giving him something to feel part of, a singular 10-year-old boy wandering the streets at night is usually a lonely one.
As mentioned by Loves the Circus and Linden, discipline never hurt anybody. well it might have at the time, but at least you knew, deep down, that you deserved it, no matter how much you protested. Things have just gone too far with kids being able to call on 'child protection' services if they get smacked at home - sad because this takes the service away from children in dire need;homeless, or abused children ['actual' abuse] for example. Also true, that they do not realise that the system works two ways, the realisation hitting that there's no magical service to take away all of life's struggles later in life may come as quite a shock, unfortunately.
I'm not having a rant at parents, no, I know raising a child is no easy task. And to discipline a child hurts the parent as well as the child, but is ultimately beneficial for both in the end. I remember my dad used to hit my brother and I across our backsides with a leather belt when we'd misbehaved. You may think that a little harsh, and of course we did at the time - in the beginning we would run howling to our rooms, then as we grew older, we just learnt to bite our tongues and head to our rooms silently. And the pulsing red stripe across our bums sure as hell made sure we wouldn't do it next time, either. Growing up is tough, for sure, but out of being taught the proper ways to do things and to treat people, a lot of respect is formed for those who taught you - and in turn, received from treating others correctly.
I apologise for digressing from the beginning topic, though these issues are all interconnected. Sexualisation of children is, quite frankly, disgusting. Children should be left to being children, it only happens once in a lifetime. Unfortunately, other than us protesting children's clothing ranges to the manufacturers or make-up campaigns (Mynci?
), it'll just have to be a conscious choice that parents will have to make to actually think about what they're dressing their children in; and in some cases, realising that their children are real people and not 'fashion accessories'. What to do? One person cannot change the world alone, though the mass choices of singular people can be amazing.
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About the post about kids knowing they cant get slapped anymore so there misbehaving. Watch 'Super Nanny' and you can see how a REAL parent deals with there chuildrens misbehavior. Hitting a child is child abuse, nio matter how hard or lightly you do it, its a psicological trauma and its the first time children learn about violene, when there parents resort to useing it on there own children. It dosent set a very good example.
"It never did me any harm", well your lucky then. But look back at the generation raised on corperal punishment, and you end up with people like Mira Hindly.
About the post about kids knowing they cant get slapped anymore so there misbehaving. Watch 'Super Nanny' and you can see how a REAL parent deals with there chuildrens misbehavior. Hitting a child is child abuse, nio matter how hard or lightly you do it, its a psicological trauma and its the first time children learn about violene, when there parents resort to useing it on there own children. It dosent set a very good example.
"It never did me any harm", well your lucky then. But look back at the generation raised on corperal punishment, and you end up with people like Mira Hindly.
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As opposed to things like this?
Serious problems here, possibly from the parents using his Playstation as a babysitting device. The number of reported stabbings has grown in school and on the street in the last 3 years. I refuse to believe that harsher discipline could have made things worse.
As opposed to things like this?
Written by: BBC News
Hull Crown Court heard the boy stabbed the baby, the accused's nephew, with a kitchen knife in his stomach.
The boy, who is now 12, denies attempted murder and wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
The youngster, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had been using the knife to mend one of his toys on 15 December last year.
After the attack he then hid the broken knife under the television cabinet in the house, the court heard.
When interviewed by police, he told officers he had become frustrated and "a bit mad" because he could not complete the game on his Playstation, the jury was told.
The court heard how the youngster put his game on pause and went into the kitchen and closed the door after the baby started "whingeing".
He told police he picked up the small kitchen knife from a rack near the bread bin and tried to fix a toy that had jammed, but the baby kept on crying.
The court heard he told police: "I walked to the pram and (the baby) was still crying so without realising I just stabbed him."
Serious problems here, possibly from the parents using his Playstation as a babysitting device. The number of reported stabbings has grown in school and on the street in the last 3 years. I refuse to believe that harsher discipline could have made things worse.
After much consideration, I find that the view is worth the asphyxiation.
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IMO, I don't agree with you there joe. If that is the case, I was abused as a child. I don't see myself as abused, I see myself as disciplined.
What that 'Super Nanny' does, is involve child psychology. Not many parents have a degree in child psychology...
Most of my generation and older were brought up fearing a smack/spanking/whatever you want to call it if we were misbehaving. It's what kept me and my brothers in check. I'm glad it was there, cos if it wasn't there, I wouldn't be the person I am today.
IMO, I don't agree with you there joe. If that is the case, I was abused as a child. I don't see myself as abused, I see myself as disciplined.
What that 'Super Nanny' does, is involve child psychology. Not many parents have a degree in child psychology...
Most of my generation and older were brought up fearing a smack/spanking/whatever you want to call it if we were misbehaving. It's what kept me and my brothers in check. I'm glad it was there, cos if it wasn't there, I wouldn't be the person I am today.
Empty your mind. Be formless, Shapeless, like Water.
Put Water into a cup, it becomes the cup, put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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