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Julie2022member
145 posts
Location: Little Rock, AR


Posted:
Ok - my 7 year old is a maniac for anything that spins and fire...I've already let him have at some sock poi, he's loving it, he can butterfly - believe it or not :? biggrin However, I was wondering as to when I should even begin to consider letting him light up - if he ever gets to a point where he'd want to.

What age is still too young? 12, 15?...At all until he's 18? smile

I'm thinking of just floating through with him and going by how he handles mature issues. Is that good enough?

Or is this just a rediculous question to ask?

Anyone else have kids that they've taught? Or - is anyone a kid of a parent who spins?

"I'm your Huckleberry."

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Posted:
*runs and ducks for cover*

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misslucygBRONZE Member
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Posted:
umm in a youth circus I'm affiliated, to people had to pass through a series of competency tests, be at least 14 and have there parents consent.
but personally I think you'll know best as to when he's competent and ready to take it on- just be near by with a damp towel! (smother don't dab.)
and make sure they are the right length for him- when his arms are hanging relaxed at his sides the poi should almost (but not) touch the ground.

DrudwynForget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
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Location: Southampton Uni


Posted:
My little bro's 10, and he's been spinning for about 4 months, and to my eternal embarassment, he pulled a full waist wrap before I did (last week rather than last night)... but until he's mature enough to take the responsibility of fire seriously, I wouldn't dream of letting him light up... But then that's just me being overprotective... tongue

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newgabeSILVER Member
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Posted:
And while you're at it, [Old link] ubblol

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Julie2022member
145 posts
Location: Little Rock, AR


Posted:
Insightful smile

Thanks for the links to the other posts! I went searching but I didn't lay my hands on anything - makes me wonder if I spelled something wrong or had my search too narrow.

Another question that popped into my head - injuries (even from spinning sock poi) - how should I go about making sure that he's well protected in certain areas (you know what I mean) ... ? The last thing I need to do is give my son a pasttime that robs me of possible grandchildren in the future!!

Do they make such protection for little kids?

Another questions - when I light up - just how far away from me should they be? I have yet to decide on a head for my poi, I know that lit spin-off is a possiblity whatever wick or fuel you use...What's a safe distance? 30 feet? 50 feet?

And, especially for my older son - since there's always the ever present fire hazards - what safety tips should I give them?

Once again, the input is much appreciated smile

tata

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The muse spake her thought and then there was silence. Thy spiked tongue had melted, only a bitter heart remained.


newgabeSILVER Member
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Posted:
Lit spin off?

You mean you light the poi and fire goes everywhere?

Doesn't have to happen at all.. let the poi drop/dry out for a bit, spin off before lighting.. use a spin off jar...



Have you spun much yourself? I'd suggest you got very confident first with spinning before letting yourself light up, let alone a kid.. because poi get wrapped/hit yourself a LOT more than staff do. And cos you are in USA and a lot of you guys use very volatile fuels, no? Personally when I am with a new person of any age I stay quite close, always have wet towels and a water bucket handy.



As for searching HoP.. there are many [Old link] in HoP on safety...

A tip: do a search once you are in the forums section.. use the little 'search' link, not the great big Google one up top of the page...

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Julie2022member
145 posts
Location: Little Rock, AR


Posted:
I've only begun to learn - I haven't lit up yet.



By lit spin-off. I was thinking of the occasional fiery wick piece burning away and going flying or something like that - not a lot, nothing like sparlkly poi smile But, still a possible danger?



Thanks, though, for the feedback.
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"I'm your Huckleberry."

The muse spake her thought and then there was silence. Thy spiked tongue had melted, only a bitter heart remained.


newgabeSILVER Member
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Location: Bali, Australia


Posted:
If you use proper wick eg Kevlar it shouldn't happen.. cos it's the fuel that burns, not the actual wick. The wick should stay solid for ages.. if it's fraying at all, trim it off, get new heads long before that becomes a danger...

and I really reckon, enjoy the art of just spinning for ages before lighting up.... the fire is secondary really.. a night time thang...

If you spin with ribbon poi or socks or glowies you can spin for ages and ages, try out all sorts of different moves and get your flow and timing going well.. Fire doesn't last so long, specially with the very volatile fuels they seem to use in the US... start stop start stop... harder to get confident...

all the stuff they talk about planes is important too cos if you have good clean planes (control the poi into going nicely parallel with the walls, the floor, the sky etc,) then that also means you are a lot less likely to whack yourself!

Enjoy!

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Julie2022member
145 posts
Location: Little Rock, AR


Posted:
ah - that's a good idea - get him glow poi, that'll satiate him for a good while smile very safe, thanks!

"I'm your Huckleberry."

The muse spake her thought and then there was silence. Thy spiked tongue had melted, only a bitter heart remained.


newgabeSILVER Member
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Location: Bali, Australia


Posted:
Cool, glad you like that idea!

The thing to watch with glowies of course is that most of them are made of hard plastic and can give you a hell of a whack..

so also encourage your lad to focus on control and grace rather than speed!!!

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Julie2022member
145 posts
Location: Little Rock, AR


Posted:
well - have some excellent glow in the dark fabric paint, I was thinking of just painting up his socks real good before I get him anything that can pack more punch smile I'll let you know how the paint works, though - I've never used it on anything that takes a beating.

"I'm your Huckleberry."

The muse spake her thought and then there was silence. Thy spiked tongue had melted, only a bitter heart remained.


CharlesBRONZE Member
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3,989 posts
Location: Auckland, New Zealand


Posted:
Personally, I feel sick to my stomach when I see children (below 18) spinning or playing with lit fire toys.

Aside from all the nasty side effects already mentioned, fire can scar, maim, kill, destroy property, and, worse case scanario, kill thousands of people, animals and other living things.

A child spinning fire I view in the same way as a child playing with a gun and shooting things. Supervision is essential, and once the 'fun' is over, take the fire-gear/gun, and lock it up in the gun locker afterwards.

Even the most sensible child around an adult is quite likely to show off stupidly in front of their friends when unsupervised. Adults do the same! So thinking a child won't is failing to understand our world and human nature at its most predictable.

Fire toys do not justr have the ability to hurt or scar us, than can kill not only the spinner, but set fire to whole city blocks and parks. Never forget that potential, even if you have yet to hear of it...

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Location: NYC, NY, USA


Posted:
Who moderates the moderators?

This has been punched in the face with a dead horse.

I can't imagine any good coming out of another identical thread.

Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Julie2022member
145 posts
Location: Little Rock, AR


Posted:
Very true, Charles, very true.
even the most sensible adults abuse fire, etc etc...


Which is why God created glow in the dark poi smile

well - I've let my kids have a go at some glow-in-the-dark painted poi. We all had an insane blast! Though, the GitD puffy paint doesn't reallly like getting smacked around and such - it cracks and peels...but, it glows, it's fun - hooah. we have a winner.

"I'm your Huckleberry."

The muse spake her thought and then there was silence. Thy spiked tongue had melted, only a bitter heart remained.


FireByNiteSILVER Member
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand


Posted:
Just a side issue - there's a heck of a lot of people under 18 on this site some that spin lit & some that don't. Alot of it comes down to maturity of the "child" concerned. Me, I won't be letting my son do it before he's 15 - 16 IMHO

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Disc0annoying boy
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Location: Sweden


Posted:
i'm 16(17 in a few month) and I feel that some "kid" should say something in this thread.



i'm from sweden and live in stockholm i know a LOT of "kids" do spin fire and some with not too much knowledge about spinning (and definitly about breathing)



of course it is dangerous, and of course most pepole do know about that. but please don't forget smoking, campfires, cars and so on is also very dangerous. you're threatening your life when walking in a city :O



please. if a "kid" is old enough to get in jail (15 in sweden if i'm not mistaken) maby the kid is old enough to take responsibility for their own actions.



if i burn myself, thats my fault.

if i burn my friends, that's my fault.

if i burn the whole block, it my fault and i know that.



so please understand that even though we "kids" spin in a way with quite low security, we know what risks we are dealing with.



this is my own opinion, and i belive, and hope, that i speak for most people of age.



edit: i do though belive 7 is a bit too young. wait 'til he's 10-12 and then spin fire toghter with him. just make sure that he understands all risks and knows everything about it before you let him spin with others. it's is up to him how he want to use the knowledge, but make sure he learns it first
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Posted:
Written by: Disc0

i'm 16(17 in a few month) and I feel that some "kid" should say something in this thread.




Hey, I posted here didn't I? wink

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bizerk88SILVER Member
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Location: Mosier, Oregon, USA


Posted:
I dont personally know any young spinners, but ive been to places where there have been kids like 6-7 spinning and up. they are usually the sons, daughters, nieces, nephews of the troupe.

im 14, btw.

SpiderbabySILVER Member
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Location: Ireland


Posted:
Ok im a kid, im 16 so close enough. Kids spinning fire is ok in my opinion.
At least spinning fire poi has some purpose and order compared to kids lighting fires with petrol or playing with fireworks. And lets face it lots of kids do these things.
I have to say spinning fire poi is the least dangerous thing i have done that involves fire ( thats not to say its safe though )

PyroWillGOLD Member
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Posted:
I worry that a 'kid' could be spinning fire for the wrong reasons, normally its to get a skill all the other cool kids cant do or to impress that girl u saw looking at u across the street, both reasons that would cause irresponsibility in what you are doing

but then again a lot of adults do that too wink

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PyroWillGOLD Member
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Location: Staines, United Kingdom


Posted:
7 is WAAAYYY too young, personally i would say 16 for my own kid but i know a very responsible spinner who is 14 so maybe then?

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind

Give a man a fish and he'll eat 4 a day hit a man with a brick and you can have all his fish and his wife

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FireByNiteSILVER Member
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand


Posted:
Written by: Disc0




please. if a "kid" is old enough to get in jail (15 in sweden if i'm not mistaken) maby the kid is old enough to take responsibility for their own actions.




This is what I was meaning in regard to depending on the "kid". Obviously some are mature enough to know the risks & others aren't. Obviously you seem to be one of the ones that do - as long as you generally don't burn yourseld or your friends.
I'm hanging for my now 9 yo son to be old enough to do it lit. He's gotten relly good with practice poi & loves it biggrin
Happy spinning smile

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FireByNiteSILVER Member
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Posted:
Written by: Julie2022


he can butterfly - believe it or not :? biggrin




Going back to original post - Me I was spewing when it took me a week to get the 3 bt weave & my son picked up my practice poi & did it strait off! Well done to your son smile

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Julie2022member
145 posts
Location: Little Rock, AR


Posted:
lol - yeah, he's working hard at it, too - it's a blast. Though, give him the choice between playing basketball and poi - he'll go outside and shoot some hoops smile

And, because it seems that some people are posting before reading through a lot of comments, I'll restate it.

I, too, feel that my son is too immature to spin lit - I was just wanting to get a general feel for when others have let their kids start to spin lit.

Cheers to those who have taught their children safely! Cheers to those young ones who have spun lit.

Like someone else said to me in a post - spinning lit is only part of it.

"I'm your Huckleberry."

The muse spake her thought and then there was silence. Thy spiked tongue had melted, only a bitter heart remained.


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Posted:
Written by: PyroWill


I worry that a 'kid' could be spinning fire for the wrong reasons, normally its to get a skill all the other cool kids cant do or to impress that girl u saw looking at u across the street, both reasons that would cause irresponsibility in what you are doing





So wait, spinning to pull is bad?

Buggrit wink

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yoniGOLD Member
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Location: Bideford and Bath, United Kingdom


Posted:
i think it completely depends on the spinner, cos i did a little bit when i was very young 10/11 and i was never in any particular danger cos i was always very carefull and the people i was doing it with had been spinning fire for a long time so had warned me of all the dangers and were there incase anything wen't wrong, i mean i only did what i knew very well and had practised that allot before (it was just a figure of 8), so i feel it's more the responsibility and knowledge of the "kid" and parent/person their spinning with as opposed to the age.


and to those people who i told i only started spinning 3 months ago this is still true it's just when i was 6 i learn how to do a figure of 8 and untill 3 months ago thats all i knew

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Posted:
One comment.

Those who know him, my brother, he was Ten...

Enough said.

This thread is duplicated like a billion times.

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Hardynewbie
13 posts
Location: Melbourne, Australia


Posted:
i was teaching my friends little brother a few things with meteors and hes only seven... if someone wants to learn young then teach them reponsibly coz thats when they are going to learn the easiest.

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Frederick the RecklessBRONZE Member
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241 posts
Location: Oregon, USA


Posted:
glowsticks on string should be more than enough to satisfy the child for the time being, given that even I think 7 is too young. the youngest poi spinner i have ever seen working lit (with fire) was 9. her parents made sure she wore full coverage with natural fibers, to include a hooded sweatshirt, with the hood up. this is the only reason i didn't freak out and stand by with the fire blanket at 5 feet distance. it is interesting to note that the legal system in oregon regards this type of activity with the same perspective as taking your child skydiving, i.e. it's ok, with supervision.

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PyroWillGOLD Member
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Location: Staines, United Kingdom


Posted:
Written by: Julie2022


Like someone else said to me in a post - spinning lit is only part of it.




well said!!!

An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind

Give a man a fish and he'll eat 4 a day hit a man with a brick and you can have all his fish and his wife

"Will's to pretty for prison" - Simian


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