Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourself, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous and talented? Who are you NOT to be?
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Written by: TheBovrilMonkey
If nothing tells you to believe in evolution and at the same time nothing tells you not to believe in evolution, shouldn't you decide for yourself?
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: Patriarch917
I can't. I don't have free will. Nothing does.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Written by: jeff(fake)
I hope you're not suggesting that Patriarch917 is in any way irrational?!
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Yes, let's go.
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According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Written by: Patriarch917Written by: TheBovrilMonkey
If nothing tells you to believe in evolution and at the same time nothing tells you not to believe in evolution, shouldn't you decide for yourself?
I can't. I don't have free will. Nothing does.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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Poster: NYC
Bah, I gotta get out of here. When people on the internet start agreeing with me it's time to go.
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Religion requires the suspension of logic and reason because requires the belief in something above logic and reason
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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Poster: NYC
It still confuses my as to why anyone who is positive they have the backing of God would engage in a discussion. Except to stroke their own ego.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Nietzsche
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Yes, let's go.
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Written by: jeff(fake)
Surely the big question is:
Why did God create the Earth 6000 years ago to really, really, really look like it has existed for 6 billion years?
I mean, layering all those fossils (specifically made to confuse us of course) in exact order of complexity in the sediment. Then changing the carbon 14 content of all organic matter he had faked and buried so they looked like they were millions of years old. Then wiring the retinas of vertibrates in backward for no reason at all, thus making them worse than they need be. Then giving us gill slits and tails in embryological developement and giving whales back legs in their embryonic states. Makeing both cheetahs and their prey antelope have to run so fast they nearly die was a particularily good joke on his part as well.
So in conclusion-The Earth is only 6000 years old. All evidence to the contrary is just God's little joke on all of us. After all it must get pretty boring having all that power sometimes.
Written by: dreamOooh NYC is a poster boy
Poster: NYC
Meh
Written by: the page Patriarch linked to
Darwinian models that attempt to explain the trilobite’s eye are completely unable to account for such complexity, especially considering the fact that the trilobite is considered to have evolved so early. When one considers the complexity of the trilobite’s eye, and compares it with the considerably less-complex eye systems of animals and/or humans today, it would seem that evolution has “gone in reverse.”
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
--MAJOR KORGO KORGAR,
"Last of The Lancers"
AFC 32
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing STAY SAFE!
Meh
Written by: Patriarch917
A better way to explain fossils is a global flood, which would have buried bottom dwelling sea creatures and other relatively immobile animals first, with bigger animals coming later
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)
Written by: TheBovrilMonkey
Trilobite eyes -Written by: the page Patriarch linked to
Darwinian models that attempt to explain the trilobite’s eye are completely unable to account for such complexity, especially considering the fact that the trilobite is considered to have evolved so early. When one considers the complexity of the trilobite’s eye, and compares it with the considerably less-complex eye systems of animals and/or humans today, it would seem that evolution has “gone in reverse.”
The people who wrote that site don't seem to understand how evolution works - just because one species evolves something good, it doesn't mean that every other species on the planet will as well. Trilobites just got lucky.
And then, they got not so lucky when they became extinct - that's why our eyes are different - trilobites died out and took their genetic patterns for cool eyes with them. In the meantime, our eyes were evolved from different stock.
It's not anywhere near going in reverse, just branching off and heading down a different road.
Inverted retinas - I take that as evidence that even if we were designed by a higher power, it wasn't too intelligent.
An intelligent design would be to have a filter built into the eye's lens to protect the photosensitive cells in the retina and have them facing forward for higher visual acuity.
Cheetahs eating meat - Can you give me a chapter and verse reference for this? I had a look myself but couldn't find anything and I'm very interested to read about it.
before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)
Written by: Patriarch917
I think they understand the Darwinian model of evolution just fine. Modern models of evolution have to reject aspects of the Darwinian model, such as the theory that early organisms were less complex than modern ones.
It doesn't really matter for our discussion what the authors of that particular article interpret the trilobite eye to mean. I merely use it as an example of how the evolutionary column of organisms being organized in perfect order of complexity is not supported by the evidence.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
[They do not move.]
those that know, dont say. those that say, dont know.
Written by: NYC
I like the part in the Bible where Jesus kills a fig tree just because it wouldn't make figs for him.
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Written by: jeff(fake)No. King Canute tried to stop the sea because his advisors told him that he held supreme majesty over all the earth. He did this to prove them that no one but God holds sway over nature.
Does anyone else think that sounds strangely similar to the story of King Canute?
Meh
Written by: TheBovrilMonkey
Now I'm starting to think that you don't quite understand it fully - organisms are organised in complexity in their own evolutionary tree, not necessarily in the grand scale of life in general.
Written by: TheBovrilMonkey
As to the bible stuff, I have to ask... Why do you worshop a god who repeatedly shows an almost complete lack of logic and extreme punishment?
Don't you think it shows a complete lack of sense to put the forbidden tree in the garden of eden in the first place? And then to punish every living creature for the mistakes of two people, isn't that a little harsh?
edit.. that last part reads more hostile and insulting that I'd meant, but I don't know how to re-word it and still ask what I want to - please don't take it as purely hostile, I'm genuinely interested in some answers, as I really don't understand why people can worship a being that's so inconsistant and harsh.
Written by: CantusWritten by: jeff(fake)
Does anyone else think that sounds strangely similar to the story of King Canute?
No. King Canute tried to stop the sea because his advisors told him that he held supreme majesty over all the earth. He did this to prove them that no one but God holds sway over nature.
History has just twisted the story to make him look foolish.
Written by: Patriach917
They are valid questions, and I would be happy to answer them in a PM or a more appropriate topic. I’m trying to stick with ID/evolution on this one, though.
According to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle of Quantum Dynamics, we may already be making love right now...