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Nate
BRONZE Member since Aug 2004

Nate

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Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England

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Posted:ok is this actually possible to do a matrix with two staffs, i'm sure i heard someone talking about it somewhere



if it is actually real, i need to learn it...a video or very detailed instructions would be very very very appreciated


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Location: Melbourne, Vic.

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Posted:i don't know what a matrix is :S. I am also very lazy, and thus haven't searched. I guess it would be worth clarifying for this thread anyway :P.

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ben-ja-men
GOLD Member since Jun 2003

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Posted:yes its possible ive seen rob do it its like a normal matrix with the other staff being passed round in a horizontal pinwheel fashion.

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Posted:Mmmmm a vid of someone wink doing this would be lovely indeedy wink

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Cantus
SILVER Member since Jul 2001

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Posted:I maintain that the single matrix is impossible. Ergo the double one is twice as impossible....

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Nate
BRONZE Member since Aug 2004

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Posted:yeh, a video is definatly needed.....and ben why hven;t you learnt it yet ay? ....and wtf is a pinwheel lol

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Cantus
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Posted:How come you know complicated stuff like matrix but don't know what a pinwheel is?

Mr Charles defines a pinwheel as "When the staff spins in a large vertical circle made up of smaller circles. Most common pattern for a continous BTB move." in his very helpful, but recently overlooked, Naming Staff Moves II thread.


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Kyle McLean
BRONZE Member since Jul 2003

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Posted:Yep I think that a pinwheel with one stick and a matrix with the other (both spin the same way) is what has been meant when the term double matrix has poped up on HoP. Nate, if you get your matrixs down then this should not be to hard to learn, as long as you are comfy with the pinwheel motion.

Imho the term double matrix is a bit misleading since you can do any number of things with one stick while the other is matrixing. You can also put two sticks together in a bundle and matrix them. cool
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Nate
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Posted:allright thanks alot....seriously though if aaaanyone can do this i would appreciate a very ALOT

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Cantus
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Posted:Written by: Kyle McLean
You can also put two sticks together in a bundle and matrix them.




Or if you'er ben-ja-men you can put 2 sticks in a bundle and continually drop them tongue


So if you think the term is misleading would you like to suggest an alternate title?

1 staff matrix whilst the other staff minds it's own business and does it's own thing for a bit, for instance, isn't all that snappy.

Short snappy titles are the key in these things methinks wink


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Kyle McLean
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Posted:Yeah, double matrix is short and snappy. wink
I was just pointing out that there are more double staff moves involving a matrix. Somtimes labels can have an effect on the thoughts of the people that use them. So I am just making that small point, not saying it should have another name.
However if Cantus was to kidnap my family and force me to make a name for it...
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Dunno??? Maybe pinwheel matrix?


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Nate
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Posted:right so a pinwheel is where the staff does two vertical circles, how the hell are you sypposed to do that while doin all; that crap that the matrix involves??
seriously ben learn it and show us or someone else for god sake


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Posted:I do something which is a bit like a split matrix - one staff does the first half, and the other staff does the second half:

Spinning both parallel in horizontal plane, holding 3/4 of the way down the staff at the near end, moving right to left across your body,

- Place the staff in your right hand onto your left shoulder/bicep for a normal matrix. Left hand staff carries on around the back

- As you bend forwards, the right hand reaches round your back to grab the right staff

- As you straighten up, the left arm puts the left staff under your right armpit, so it walks up to the shoulder and across the throat.

It's not exactly a matrix, but it has a similar feel.

Hope that helps biggrin


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Kyle McLean
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Posted:Nice work mo-seph biggrin
Very well translated in to english too (at least when one thinks just how confusing that could have goten)...
The movment you are doing with the first stick is also a great club move.

Nate, check out the HoP free sticky lesson # 5. This is a pinwheel. Do that, then bend the world 90o so that it is in a nice flat plane above your matrix. wink


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T&B
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Posted:Was thinking about doing a double staff matrix by using a contact cross.

Then i tried it and decided to stop think about it for another few years


Maybe I should change this too something abit nicer, humm no I still think your all Ccensoredt

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Nate
BRONZE Member since Aug 2004

Nate

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Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England

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Posted:allright guys thanks alot get back to you if i need anymore help

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Lavatwilight
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Location: Wellington somerset, UK

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Posted:*still hasnt got round to learning the matrix* i reckon i could nail it, with some practice, but double *shudders* i'l think about, i reckon the only propper double matrix would be a cross contact one, but thats just me. I'll think some more about maybe.

god i wish it wernt so cold and wet out side. frown

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B) it does not look as good on film

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Nate
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Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England

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Posted:yeh i seriously cant wait for summer, i hate winter the coldness especially

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Lavatwilight
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Posted:ohhh an exeter person.......i need an excuse to go to exeter (o i have one can go see a friend), when i do, wanna go spin?

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Kyle Mclean-
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B) it does not look as good on film

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strugz
BRONZE Member since Mar 2002

strugz

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Posted:Ok bit theroetical at the moment but i almost made it work last night..........

Double matrix....

Rather than pinwheeling the second staff overhead, follow the matrixing staff (starting going round left arm) left arm passes to right behind the back (while matrixing staff is on back of neck).

As matrixing staff goes around right shoulder the second staff is in right hand..........

Make sense?

Hope so,

Need to practice much much much more.......... rolleyes

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Posted:Need to show BamBam in March wink

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strugz
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Posted:Written by: Strugz


Need to practice much much much more.......... rolleyes





But will do, hey ive got 2 and a bit months - plenty of time, i mean how hard can it be wink


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ado-p
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Posted:Written by: Strugz

Make sense?

Hope so,

Need to practice much much much more.......... rolleyes

***wishes he wasnt at work***



nope, not even a little bit biggrin


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ben-ja-men
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ben-ja-men

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Location: Adelaide

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Posted:lol strugz its a horizontal pinwheel ...... like is stated above tongue ya muppet biggrin

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strugz
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strugz

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Posted:Is it?

confused

OK so i may be a muppet, let me try again, ignoring the matrixing staff this time.

Version above:

As your leaning over the staff pinwheels above your head in left hand, passes to right while maintaining above head position - horizontal.

My Feeble attempt at describing:

Left hand pinwheel, but then taking behind your back and passing to the right hand, which then lead back to above the head... pinwheel.....

So i agree pinwheeling - yes, i execpt muppentness, howeve i still feel that this is differant to what is described above...........

Muppet biggrin


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ben-ja-men
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ben-ja-men

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Posted:rolleyes

so make with the video already mr muppet biggrin u havnt done one for ages, short sharp and sweet then ill tell u what ur doing wrong ubbloco


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strugz
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Posted:Soon Mr Ben Soon.................

wink


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ben-ja-men
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ben-ja-men

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Location: Adelaide

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Posted:pffffffft ive heard that before

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strugz
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strugz

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Posted:ubblol

i was waiting for that!


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ben-ja-men
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ben-ja-men

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Location: Adelaide

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Posted:my mother told me about people like you



i know your tricks young man



you promise a stary eyed innocent twirler the world and then



NADDA!!



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Nate
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Nate

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Location: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England

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Posted:hahahaha, i've tried this just now in my back garden.....it took me a while to get a horizontal pinwheel for some reason...its really strange to do, i get confused thinking about the matrixing staff too much then mess up, practice is what i need, and for it to be a lil less rainy and cold

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