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simian


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Posted:PLEASE NOTE: Anyone who posts the Dictionary definition of the word Technical in this thread is a very annoying person tongue wink



People talk about 'Technical' poi quite a lot. Sometimes in a positive way, but often in a way that's almost derogatory.



What does it mean to you? What do you think it means to others?



Moves that are difficult?

Ugly moves?

Moves where your feet are stationary?

Moves that concentrate on details rather than the whole?

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if you dance, can your poi be technical?



can technical poi 'flow', or is flow the opposite of tech?



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Posted:Written by: ado-p


So would this be a technical discussion then? smile





hmm... I guess so! biggrin - well, except I knew what simian was talking about from the beginning - that would be the difference for me anyway!



I like the way mo-seph put things as technical refering to the way you think about it instead of the move itself.


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Posted:Wow 2 whole pages and no blood shed, that must be a first.

vanize, i'd love to agree with you but first i'm gonna post a couple new threads on the matter and then refer you to do a search before finally accepting that I do actually agree with all the points above smile Today, i'm very bored of working

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Posted:ubblol

touche PPP.


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Posted:for me

tech = thinking about it. logical progression.

non tech = intuitive. feels nice

or

I pull funny faces when im doing tech moves

I smile when im doing spinny intuitive stuff.

But what happens when tech becomes intuitive...

can a tech move become non tech for an individual?

Should I have read the rest of this discussion?

Probably.


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TheWibbler
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Posted:Nope, you've hit the nail on the head i think

When tech becomes intuitive others call it tech but you just call it normal spinning. 3bt weave was technically very difficult at first.


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Posted:Technical to me means:-

Any move where you have to adjust the way you spin normally

e.g Isolations, 5+ weaves, antispin


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Posted:i like very much the idea that tech stops being tech when you don't have to think about it.

so for me, right now, tech moves are: some antispin, some of the more complicated throws, foot catches and throws, some of the buzzsaw fountain variations ive been working on, most of the negative space stuff.

recently intuitive is another category.... eek

but then are you always saying 'tech' is something different for each person? or is there some level you reach that allows you to become 'tech'?

hmm.


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Posted:I think you answered your own question bluecat

If people are learning from you it could be tech for them, then you learn more and so on

its a technical cycle like smile


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Posted:i like to think not this this is to do with technical but i like to think that the poi is like an extetion of my arm its weird but it work, so i like to feel the poi and an feel the spce its in, like to widen the aura. i also love to practice on the beach alone its realy kool

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TheWibbler
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Posted:Sounds to me like you're a natural born spherculist wink

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Sista Smoke I
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Posted:Help I am new. you are all way to tech for me. Please add an "a" to tech, and we will call it teach. I do know that creation is the heart of all true art. I have seen the dance of poi and want to enter this realm of fire

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Posted:Written by: bluecat

i like very much the idea that tech stops being tech when you don't have to think about it.

so for me, right now, tech moves are: some antispin, some of the more complicated throws, foot catches and throws, some of the buzzsaw fountain variations ive been working on, most of the negative space stuff.

recently intuitive is another category.... eek

but then are you always saying 'tech' is something different for each person? or is there some level you reach that allows you to become 'tech'?




Well said BC. I personally believe that 'technical' is a relative term much like "tall". Everyone is tall to a baby. Everything it technical to a newbie. However we do have some context.

I wonder if there aren't areas of technical as well. I know some spinners that spend time working on posture and dance in a 'technical way'... doing very simple moves but focusing on the exact place that they are done. I'd consiter this to be 'technical' but not in the way that we traditionally use the word.


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Posted:The dictionary does have some interesting things to add but I won't disrespect the first post.

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Posted:To my mind, technical is about symmetry, and having the technique or the skill to hold tight planes, without sloppy transitions. I think good technique is based on understanding how the different parts of the body work together, and having the necessary body flexibility to undertake a the move.

I would consider having a good technique as a pre-requisite for flow and dance. I dont think its got anything to do with difficulty, or impressing anyone by the number of beats. A three beat move is only part of the progression to a seven or nine beat move. If you work, and acquire the flexibility to get the seven beat move, then chances are the three (and other moves) will be a lot easier to do (ditto nine to seven).

So to get technical, was that right or left in the lateral plane, about the dorso-ventral axis?

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Posted:technical, as in;

that spin was technically good, however I think it lacked artistry and flow.

I think saying that technical is hard (and implying flowing intuitive dancy stuff is easy) isnt supported by my observation that the majority of highly technical spinners Ive seen certainly havent got the dancy flowyness. If it were easy they would have it.

Of course some do, but they are in the minority.

I guess technical could also be applied as a label to spinners who concentrate their efforts on the particular moves they are doing rather than a more holistic approach?

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Posted:Written by: Josh
my observation that the majority of highly technical spinners Ive seen certainly havent got the dancy flowyness



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you must have met some different ones to me then. massively so. i can only think of, maybe four spinners who i would say are in the top ten percent in terms of knowledge of movements(hah! i got out of saying top ten % of techie spinners... no, wait, er...)who don't also dance beautifully. And they are the ones who have made a concious decision to learn in a different style, and not concentrate on 'the flow'.

can you pm me 'bout this? (don't want to get into a public discussion about individuals merits)

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TheWibbler
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Posted:Josh, I dunno what it is about the moderators around here but you guys really should come hang out with me and bluecat (not that me and rob get to hand out nearly enough)

All this talk of tech spinners not flowing. I just don't understand it. Maybe i just have no idea what flow really is. Or maybe you are refering to times spent watching some techy spinner trying over and over to nail a hyperloop.

About 2 years ago I never thought that throwing poi could be done with any degree of style or flow. I WAS WRONG AND I ADMIT IT.

Although i must say that I seem to have lost a certain degree of flow over the last year, it seems far more because i've been focusing on nailing some super tech stuff than because i can't dance.



It's all about the balance poiple, too much tech and no flow looks sloppy, too much flow and no tech looks lame. A good degree of both looks great.


Surely someone agrees with that???

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Posted:I just don't think that tech is EDIT - fundamental to good spinning. I think you can look great with no tech and still look rubbish with loads of tech. It can totally be the other way round too, but most people seem to be somewhere in the middle, and that's all good. Flow is fundamental to making spinning look good in my eyes, so someone who lacks it and just does mad planes I've never heard of and point isos and inverted antispin whatevers.. it doesn't mean anything unless they can hold it together.



I don't just mean the millions of attempts at tech moves before they come off, we all have that at the end of the day, but when it comes down to a performance or a proper burn where someone's really feeling it as opposed to trying to learn new stuff, the actual meat of spinning, that's where flow matters most to me.



I don't think there's such a thing as too much flow.



But that's just what I go for when it comes to spinning. I think it's a matter of personal taste, at the end of the day.

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Posted:PPP, I agree with all of my poi spinning heart!

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Posted:Written by: PoiPoiPoi

It's all about the balance poiple, too much tech and no flow looks sloppy, too much flow and no tech looks lame. A good degree of both looks great.

Surely someone agrees with that???

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Well if you water down any statement to the point of total meaninglessness of course we'd have to agree. wink You're basically saying "Too much" of something is bad. Isn't that implied in the phrase "TOO much"?

And then you're saying that a "good amount" is good?

So after two years of Spherculism we've concluded that:
A 'good amount' of something is good... but 'TOO much' is bad.

Isn't that sort of obvious?

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Posted:Sooo many opinionated people here lol.
Thats a good thing of course but i think everyone is worring about everone eles replys a little too much!


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Posted:i think people are replying to each other and not to the original post:

Written by: simian
People talk about 'Technical' poi quite a lot. Sometimes in a positive way, but often in a way that's almost derogatory.

What does it mean to you? What do you think it means to others?

Moves that are difficult?
Ugly moves?
Moves where your feet are stationary?
Moves that concentrate on details rather than the whole?
confused2

if you dance, can your poi be technical?

can technical poi 'flow', or is flow the opposite of tech?

a genuinely rather confused monkey confused



i think we've seen opinions expressing both sides of pretty much all of these 'definitions' of what technical means.

which i think pretty much shows that its a term that has very little use since everyone has a different idea of what it means.

shrug


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Posted:God point, cole. I was about to join the debate, but decided no to. I'll just answer the question instead.

"Technical poi" to me, i suppose, would be a bare bones performance of a move or series of moves, with emphasis given to the technique rather than to the overall aesthetic. Nothing to do with the nature of the moves themselves, but the moves do tend to be quite tricky.

This does not mean that those same tricky moves cannot be incorporated into a more dancey, flowing style, as dance often contains highly technical elements, although the technique is not the focus of the performance.

What do I think "technical poi" means to other people? I reckon some think it describes difficult moves and that others reckon that some moves are exclusive to a purely technical performance due to their complexity.

I remember the above accusation being levelled at hyperloops and air wraps. If you still think this way, please check out the winning entry on COL 5.

Damn... I think I might've joined the debate. Damn.


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Posted:I feel that technical poi is any move, or series of movements, that are currently unattainable by the general poi spinning population. As others have said, tech in 2001 is different than tech in 2002 is different than tech in 2004. 5 beat weave was tech. Now 5 beat BTB through wrap weaves are tech (Even that is arguable).

I guess my true definition of tech would be:

Any move or series of movements wherein the person spinning is actively pushing the boundaries of the symbiosis between poi and spinner. If that makes any sense. I hope so. Please?


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Someone has to say it, its gone on too long... Technical by deffinition is applied science and that of requiring specialist knowledge to understand what is going on.

Technical poi to me is just that, understanding what is going on, where the poi is going, seeing what else can be possible and then applying those basic principles into a move that not necessary is very nice and flowing but at the end of the day is possible.

I'm new to the poi scene, I also might be missing something and simian is probably going to brand me as a very annoying person by stating the deffinition, but isn't that it?


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Posted:Written by: coleman
which i think pretty much shows that its a term that has very little use since everyone has a different idea of what it means.


cole got my point for making the thread bang on the head. One thing i really wanted to show with this thread is that everyone means different stuff by the word "Technical", so arguing about whether Technical poi is good or bad or better or worse is totally illogical, because the terms are not properly defined.

You can generally tell arguments with poorly defined terms because of their really boring and circular nature. See also: arguments involving the words "soul", "nature" and "love".

Written by: rarr
...simian is probably going to brand me as a very annoying person by stating the deffinition...


No rarr, actually i think that's one of the better definitions in this thread smile
If you'd just had the first paragraph in your post, then i would have done. But the second paragraph kicked ass. i think you are actually a very clever person. But that's often the same thing as annoying anyway wink


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Posted:well, now that the original poster has gotten the answer he was looking for, there is no longer any use for this thread...

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Posted:is that just on a technicality tho van?

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Posted:Written by: vanize

well, now that the original poster has gotten the answer he was looking for, there is no longer any use for this thread...

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using that logic, all intro threads should really be closed after the first post...

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Posted:lol...............

glad that was cleared up.


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