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Posted:hello hello,

ok so today i was ment to be practicing trinity but got distracted into atomics, got myself a nice turning atomic weave now so i thought 'hey, let try a tangle!'

wot i did was have both poi spinning inwards in split time, left in wall plane and right in side plane, I bring the right over the left and catch on the left outside. then switch arm positions (witch is a 90 degree switch of course) to exit.

questions.

is this the best way to start on them I have a few problems, the least of which is getting the bugger to come out proper atomic, cos pulling it across seems to mess the planes.

is the inverted plane the same, between the arms, and if so how does the hyp behave, dose it orbit (tangling and untagling at the same time) as with a weave buzz hyp, or does it wind up like a butterfly (cos atomic hyps seem to be a bit of both)

im guessing for this instance the hyp orbits, because it catches on the outside.

if the poi are going diffrent directions (this all gets a bit confoozing) i.e. your left hand spins inward and the right outward, then they catch in the invert position like buzsaw, so they orbit on the outside position?

I think full understanding of atomic hypes would greatly improve understanding of hyps in general, cos in theory they are the same but with more pronounced plane diffrences.

I think i might have started another thread about this, but it was a long time ago, so new imput greatly apreachated.

Ta,

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Posted:What does that have to do with atomic hyperloops? Plus I've got no idea what you're on about...

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Posted:i think s/he's talking about normal hyps?
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Posted:It's a lime... don't you know your citrus fruits? tongue

Don't diss limecat!

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Posted:forgive arashi.. he spends too much time doing math, arguing with me, choreographing, and getting patnies thrown at him to bother with such petty things as fruit 101.. wink

More useless information courtesy of Rev...
Confusing the masses, one post at a time...
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Posted:ok, now im thoughly confused.

simian. where are you tangling? at the point of the triangle? what sort of tangle is it?

spiralx: cw in both hands? i cant even get it to tangle. not when they are crossed.

arashi: i got the outside inside outside thing you described in the first post, but it unwraps over 1 beat, not two.

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Posted:Yeah, CW in both hands. I'm entering the tangle with the "leading" poi i.e. if it's left hand wheel plane, right hand wall plane both CW then the right poi is "leading" and I enter with that. Oh, split time, just like a normal airwrap. My hands aren't crossed though, just the poi - it's the under and over thing that makes it work though.

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Posted:ok, so ive sort ove got 1 semi-cohearand explination spread over 3 posts...

spiralx, do you mean you tangle like a normall airwrap but atomic, then put your leading hand under the arm of the passive hand? is that what you mean by under and over?

Monkey. answer the question!

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Posted:Monkey answers thusly :

Spinning trinity planes (60* between poi) left hand backwards, right hand forwards.

doing a basic 2beat hyperloop (turning toward the left) tangling at the point of the triangle so there's an equilateral triangle with the nexus of the tangle at one corner and my hands at the other two corners.

This changes the plane of each poi by 120*ish to the left (just like ordinary trinity turns). You end up back in trinity planes, but facing toward the next corner around the triangle. Left hand now forwards, right hand backwards.

another 2bt hyperloop and turn to left...

another 2bt hyperloop and turn to left...

You've now turned all the way round doing 3 tangles and are now spinning in the opposite direction to that in which you started. Which is kinda fun.


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Posted:i've also been thinking that instead of turning round, i could maybe do it all inside my arms.

but thats proving to be quite difficult.


"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."

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Posted:thanks monkey, thats much clearer. beerchug

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Posted:Written by:
Cross the strings right in the middle and then throw your left hand back over your right hand and continue the weave with your wrists, teh whole mess flips over and turns into the hand placement to spin out the 3 weave on my left side



I think s/he means a hyperloop wrist wrap.

NX if u had followed those instructions i gave u the other week...u would be able to do nearly any hyp continously tangled forever. Nvrm its always better to find them yourself. Im a little confused about monkeys Trinity though, are those all outside dude? And does this tie back to the "multibeat tangles" thing?

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Posted:Written by: Dragon7
Im a little confused about monkeys Trinity though, are those all outside dude?


indeed they are, dude smile
simple outside to outsides without any inside beats

Written by: Dragon7
And does this tie back to the "multibeat tangles" thing?


Nope, don't think so... Although i suppose that was about strange plane changes during tangles so maybe similar...hmm...

Written by: Dragon7
I love it how i can post as much as i like and my post count never goes up.


i thought you'd posted more than that. That's quite odd.


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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Posted:update****

ok, olli'ing atomic buzzsaw hype anyone??? cool

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Richee
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Posted:In case of relation between hyperloop and atomic
hyperloop. Hyperloop is conical, thus somewhere
between parallel and atomic.

I meen it can take properties from both, but in real
sense, taking to atom 'extreme' will not change
any of those known.

lightning,

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Posted:maybe your right. conicals flip too, but atoms have a more radical plane change. thats about it in diffrence wise... I think. I dont think we should pretend to know it all yet tho.

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Posted:Hyperloop isn't atom.



love,



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Posted:no. only if you say that all spinning is in some way atomic or conical, but its perfectly possible (and easier to learn at first, with hyperloops being straight, not atomic. You dont have to make the cone, instaed you can simply drag one plane across the other and create the tangle.

for example... buzzsaw tangles. generally straight, much harder to atomise.

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Posted:Yes, buzzsaw tangles are atomic as well,
even thought it is framed not overlaped.

proof of concept:

[parallel extreme]

Hyperloop at side is like butterfly, when it
tend to be perfect it fail.

Buzzsaw hyperloop is the same like in
mirror, when it tend to be perfect it will
not tangle.

[atom extreme]

If the move is not parallel than it is atom.

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Ya know, de plane.

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Posted:One sentance.........

Japanese yo-yo videos!!!!!

Oh man, wow....

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Richee
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Posted:
Ok, what I want to point is butterfly atom breaks,
because of the timing, that is synchronous. It is
well known with butterfly that if you want to meke
it exactly parallel it breaks. I think the same'd
happen with butterfly atom.

Atom is for me ideal shape, not an move.

rotating plane,

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Acciaio
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Posted:with two ideal crane you can change an HL from a buzzsaw into a butterfly without untangling it...
Let's try to have an eternal buzzsaw in orizontal plane change the plane of one poi that must go into the wall plane infront of you and put the nexus out of your hands (outside plane I suppose) the second poi should follow the first but one have changed direction and you are in HL butterfly as well!
From here you can came back into HL buzzsaw orizontal...I can't go into the normal one...

It's a pratical application of atomic planes applyied to Hl or I'm wrong???
Let's wait for Tom ( Ciaooooo!!!! ) or Richee!!!

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Posted:yeah, garthy does thease, still havent figured it out yet.

its more like plane manipulotion than strict atomics, but its certainly an application of the theory.

a presto!

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Posted:Ok, I hought I was cool who just figured out what atomics were. And then I instantly figured out that I can do it with Hyperloops ( altho stil messy ). And then I got to know there's an entire thread covering it. OMG.

Time to read then. But this at least makes me sure that I understand the basics of Atomics.. YEAH =)


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Posted:you should have a look at 'atomcraft, the basic theory and positions' thread too.

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