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Location: everywhere
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Location: everywhere
Posted:
morning.
was just wondering about this recently, as HoP has grown massively over the last two years(i joined under a different name almost exactly 2 years ago as member 1555)
so: if you fire dance or perform with fiery arts for a living could you post here or pm me?
thanks most kindly
Rob(full time fiery)
morning.
was just wondering about this recently, as HoP has grown massively over the last two years(i joined under a different name almost exactly 2 years ago as member 1555)
so: if you fire dance or perform with fiery arts for a living could you post here or pm me?
thanks most kindly
Rob(full time fiery)
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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Classically British
5,689 posts
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Classically British
5,689 posts
Location: Epsom, Surrey, England
Posted:
Hmm, but I don't think us "Bloody Brits"
can take out US insurance for spinning in the UK...
Hmm, but I don't think us "Bloody Brits"
can take out US insurance for spinning in the UK... Burner of Toast
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2,444 posts
Location: Bristol!, United Kingdom
Posted:
Me & Bams perform part time
But I have a feeling you *might* already know that
Afternoon smooches
Me & Bams perform part time
But I have a feeling you *might* already know that
Afternoon smooches
Live well, love much, laugh often...
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Posted:
smoochery right back at you.
when you going to reply young lady?
who else works with you guys(apart from diz and chad)?
smoochery right back at you.
when you going to reply young lady?
who else works with you guys(apart from diz and chad)?
Holistic Spinner (I hope)
journeyman
81 posts
Location: Merced, Ca, usa
81 posts
Location: Merced, Ca, usa
Posted:
I am a full time performer & the troupe that I started began performing in July of this year. Despite the fact that I have had a few mishaps (with unsavy performers) & what not, things are goin great. I can say that I rarely perform in my home town, but I commonly do performances out of town.
I am a full time performer & the troupe that I started began performing in July of this year. Despite the fact that I have had a few mishaps (with unsavy performers) & what not, things are goin great. I can say that I rarely perform in my home town, but I commonly do performances out of town.
fire is the light that shines in all of us. Be sure your light shines brightly wherever you go.
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Location: southampton, United Kingdom
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Location: southampton, United Kingdom
Posted:
Found out the insurance is through Nationwide it doesnt give the smae 2M coverage of more expensive insurance, but it is adequate for small public performance. Maybe not on the scale that your used to with 'burnt toast', Durbs. But you never know they might be worth checking out.
Found out the insurance is through Nationwide it doesnt give the smae 2M coverage of more expensive insurance, but it is adequate for small public performance. Maybe not on the scale that your used to with 'burnt toast', Durbs. But you never know they might be worth checking out.
addict
508 posts
Location: manchester, uk
508 posts
Location: manchester, uk
Posted:
i'm 37 n getting on a bit hehe but i spent my 20s in a performing duo called "wotchyoo laffin at?" (during street performances when ( IF!!!! ) our audience laughed we stopped whatever we were doing and sang ..."what you laughing at...?" to the tune of what's new pussy cat and the audience ( most times ) would shout back " you...oooh oooh oooh ooh ohh" and as any comedy street entertainer knows, more noise the crowd makes, the nosier everyone gets, hehe. We mostly juggled, and did balances and cigar boxes and other circus stuff but a small part of our act involved me fire juggling/eating/breathing. Was fun, but christ I don't think i'd have spent 10 years fire breathing if I knew then what I know now!
these days...mostly for fun with odd gig thrown in for old times sake.
i'm 37 n getting on a bit hehe but i spent my 20s in a performing duo called "wotchyoo laffin at?" (during street performances when ( IF!!!! ) our audience laughed we stopped whatever we were doing and sang ..."what you laughing at...?" to the tune of what's new pussy cat and the audience ( most times ) would shout back " you...oooh oooh oooh ooh ohh" and as any comedy street entertainer knows, more noise the crowd makes, the nosier everyone gets, hehe. We mostly juggled, and did balances and cigar boxes and other circus stuff but a small part of our act involved me fire juggling/eating/breathing. Was fun, but christ I don't think i'd have spent 10 years fire breathing if I knew then what I know now!
these days...mostly for fun with odd gig thrown in for old times sake.
It's smashing to be back x
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Location: Virginia, Vatican City
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Location: Virginia, Vatican City
Posted:
Hello all....I preform with a small group in the states. We are just getting started, and usually take any gigs that we can get now.....We are also dealing with the insurance issue, and there are not many places that carry it (that I know of ) over here....we just wing it, and...well, I'm assuming that if a puplic place/venue hires you....that their liability insurance would cover, as they are actually the ones in control of the event? Let me know if I'm wrong......
Hello all....I preform with a small group in the states. We are just getting started, and usually take any gigs that we can get now.....We are also dealing with the insurance issue, and there are not many places that carry it (that I know of ) over here....we just wing it, and...well, I'm assuming that if a puplic place/venue hires you....that their liability insurance would cover, as they are actually the ones in control of the event? Let me know if I'm wrong......
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Posted:
In Carpe Ignem there's me, Bams, Diz, Chad, DSads, Cam & Kevin. 2 girls and 5 boys - I like that ratio!
Written by: bluecat
smoochery right back at you.
when you going to reply young lady?
who else works with you guys(apart from diz and chad)?
In Carpe Ignem there's me, Bams, Diz, Chad, DSads, Cam & Kevin. 2 girls and 5 boys - I like that ratio!
Live well, love much, laugh often...
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
Wrong! And that is a big wrong that alot of people make. Unless specifically written out in your contract that the venue insurance covers you and that they hold you indemnible of any possible damages what can happen in an incident is this....
You are spinning. Something goes wrong and a fire happens or someone gets hurt. The audience/workers/etc. sue the club and can also place a civil suit against you, *and* the club can also come back and sue you to recoup damages not only directly to their venue but also to recoup costs from any litigation happening from the audience member suing them. This is why you need the insurance, to protect you in these cases.
The liability of most venues covers if someone spills water on the floor and you slip and fall in it. If the hibachi chef knife flies and hits you. If a floorboard pops up, is not repaired and you trip on it and break something. These are general hazards of operation, and are part of maintainence of a venue.
Your show, however, is not part of general hazards umbrella and therefore needs to be specifically expressed in writing that you are covered, or better yet, that you have your own to protect in such instances.
Written by: BrandyH
Hello all....I preform with a small group in the states. We are just getting started, and usually take any gigs that we can get now.....We are also dealing with the insurance issue, and there are not many places that carry it (that I know of ) over here....we just wing it, and...well, I'm assuming that if a puplic place/venue hires you....that their liability insurance would cover, as they are actually the ones in control of the event? Let me know if I'm wrong......
Wrong! And that is a big wrong that alot of people make. Unless specifically written out in your contract that the venue insurance covers you and that they hold you indemnible of any possible damages what can happen in an incident is this....
You are spinning. Something goes wrong and a fire happens or someone gets hurt. The audience/workers/etc. sue the club and can also place a civil suit against you, *and* the club can also come back and sue you to recoup damages not only directly to their venue but also to recoup costs from any litigation happening from the audience member suing them. This is why you need the insurance, to protect you in these cases.
The liability of most venues covers if someone spills water on the floor and you slip and fall in it. If the hibachi chef knife flies and hits you. If a floorboard pops up, is not repaired and you trip on it and break something. These are general hazards of operation, and are part of maintainence of a venue.
Your show, however, is not part of general hazards umbrella and therefore needs to be specifically expressed in writing that you are covered, or better yet, that you have your own to protect in such instances.
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Posted:
oooohhhhh.....thanks, I guess I was misinformed
I just assumed that if a venue hires you, they take on the responsibility of making sure that everything was covered, because they were the ones putting on the event in the first place...Like If they advertise that you will be there......sucky.....the only place that I can find in the states is some lamo clown insurance that runs on a contract year, and is not pro-rated.....
oooohhhhh.....thanks, I guess I was misinformed
I just assumed that if a venue hires you, they take on the responsibility of making sure that everything was covered, because they were the ones putting on the event in the first place...Like If they advertise that you will be there......sucky.....the only place that I can find in the states is some lamo clown insurance that runs on a contract year, and is not pro-rated..... SILVER Member
Are we there yet?
1,897 posts
Location: australia
Are we there yet?
1,897 posts
Location: australia
Posted:
sorry bluecat - been flat out - I perform on a semi irregular part time basis - pretty choosy about the gigs I do
sorry bluecat - been flat out - I perform on a semi irregular part time basis - pretty choosy about the gigs I do
lord high king of swingers *(now defunct)**(but will rise again ! !)*
165 posts
Location: wild wiltshire
165 posts
Location: wild wiltshire
Posted:
Hey rob, how u goin ?
I do fire shows and stilts sometimes, but now live in australia so have to start again !!!
whats the go with insurance here in the land of oz anyone ???
Hey rob, how u goin ?
I do fire shows and stilts sometimes, but now live in australia so have to start again !!!
whats the go with insurance here in the land of oz anyone ???
fly fairies, fly high, fly wide and take no prisoners !!!!!!
Pooh-Bah
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx
2,364 posts
Location: austin,tx
Posted:
hey don't forget me!!
fire perform? or just perform?
fire, i'd say less than part time on average, sometimes full time; but i teach, belly dance, and perform in other ways (glow, stilts, drumming, etc.) full time. and i refurnish pianos once in a while for extra cash, but i rarely need to. i have a very frugal lifestyle, all i buy is tequila, herbs, weapons, and food.
hey don't forget me!!
fire perform? or just perform?
fire, i'd say less than part time on average, sometimes full time; but i teach, belly dance, and perform in other ways (glow, stilts, drumming, etc.) full time. and i refurnish pianos once in a while for extra cash, but i rarely need to. i have a very frugal lifestyle, all i buy is tequila, herbs, weapons, and food.
-Such a price the gods exact for song: to become what we sing
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newbie
17 posts
Location: killafornia
17 posts
Location: killafornia
Posted:
parttime-Leader of troupe in my hometown. A true labor of love & I still gotta keep my day job.
parttime-Leader of troupe in my hometown. A true labor of love & I still gotta keep my day job.
geek, level 1
5,300 posts
Location: everywhere
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Location: everywhere
Posted:
thanks pele, i was going to write alost exactly that
not bad ben, hows oz? where exactly are ya? if anywhere near newcastle/sydney get in touch with steve from tepooka who's just moved back over there and will be putting stuff together.
not forgotten arashi
my ratio is pretty similar, i seem to get booked more for juggling and contact these days, with the occasional fiery thing thrown in....
it's ALWAYS a labour of love. otherwise you give up the work to let it be fun again. i can think of loads who've done that....
smiles
R
(waves at all others)
thanks pele, i was going to write alost exactly that
not bad ben, hows oz? where exactly are ya? if anywhere near newcastle/sydney get in touch with steve from tepooka who's just moved back over there and will be putting stuff together.
not forgotten arashi
my ratio is pretty similar, i seem to get booked more for juggling and contact these days, with the occasional fiery thing thrown in....it's ALWAYS a labour of love. otherwise you give up the work to let it be fun again. i can think of loads who've done that....
smiles
R
(waves at all others
) Holistic Spinner (I hope)
lord high king of swingers *(now defunct)**(but will rise again ! !)*
165 posts
Location: wild wiltshire
165 posts
Location: wild wiltshire
Posted:
hooray for cyber networking ! rob u are a god xxx.
will be moving from wollongong to sydney fairy soon ! do you have the contact info for this lovely man ??
as to how oz is ? wonderbra dearman, no stinky squats, no skip food and lots of sunshine and i get to learn to surf dude !
love n' light
xxx
hooray for cyber networking ! rob u are a god xxx.
will be moving from wollongong to sydney fairy soon ! do you have the contact info for this lovely man ??
as to how oz is ? wonderbra dearman, no stinky squats, no skip food and lots of sunshine and i get to learn to surf dude !
love n' light
xxx
fly fairies, fly high, fly wide and take no prisoners !!!!!!
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Fool
2,020 posts
Location: Cornwall, UK
Fool
2,020 posts
Location: Cornwall, UK
Posted:
I was performing part-time, but as of monday i'm a full-time fire performer. Woohoo.
I was performing part-time, but as of monday i'm a full-time fire performer. Woohoo.
"I believe the cost of life is Death and we will all pay that in full. Everything else should be a gift. We paid the cover charge of life, we were born."
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422 posts
Location: London
422 posts
Location: London
Posted:
Ive been perfroming in some way or another for years but for the past 2 1/2 yrs mainly circus (teaching, performing ect....) best job in the world
Ive been perfroming in some way or another for years but for the past 2 1/2 yrs mainly circus (teaching, performing ect....) best job in the world
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Location: Bali, Australia
what goes around comes around. unless you're into stalls.
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Location: Bali, Australia
Posted:
OOhhh looks like this thread got bumped so Mags can tell us the good news! Congratulations Mags, was that a "dumping the day job" revelation of some sort or have you been working up to that for a while?
Well, I can add to this list a bit by dobbing in some other local people... I know of Knoxious and his FlameOzcrew (currently 3 others, not on HoP I think) who do fireshows etc as fulltime work. ( In Europe these days) Bec and Moonpixie
do heaps of course (Over the Moon) and Kyle McLean's moving into a lot of performance..not all fire... and the Carnival of Divine Imagination who are represented on HoP by Funky Wax Puppy. All gorgeous!
OOhhh looks like this thread got bumped so Mags can tell us the good news! Congratulations Mags, was that a "dumping the day job" revelation of some sort or have you been working up to that for a while?
Well, I can add to this list a bit by dobbing in some other local people... I know of Knoxious and his FlameOzcrew (currently 3 others, not on HoP I think) who do fireshows etc as fulltime work. ( In Europe these days) Bec and Moonpixie
do heaps of course (Over the Moon) and Kyle McLean's moving into a lot of performance..not all fire... and the Carnival of Divine Imagination who are represented on HoP by Funky Wax Puppy. All gorgeous! .....Can't juggle balls but I sure as hell can juggle details....
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multiplex
611 posts
Location: somewhere..., Germany
multiplex
611 posts
Location: somewhere..., Germany
Posted:
I have been performing since last summer, mainly with a bunch of people on different occasions, with fire as well as led, depending on the event.
From festivals, mask/costume balls, parties, birthday parties, weddings, in clubs, on fairs,......just for fun at the see.....etc.
During summer, we even had about two or three performances every weekend!
Now I slowed down a little and look around for new possiblities and places to perform, cause actually Im at the end of my studies and have two other jobs in peto, as well as firedance!!
I dance wherever wanted, on the roof of a skyscraper during a party......in the park,....
tina
I have been performing since last summer, mainly with a bunch of people on different occasions, with fire as well as led, depending on the event.
From festivals, mask/costume balls, parties, birthday parties, weddings, in clubs, on fairs,......just for fun at the see.....etc.
During summer, we even had about two or three performances every weekend!
Now I slowed down a little and look around for new possiblities and places to perform, cause actually Im at the end of my studies and have two other jobs in peto, as well as firedance!!
I dance wherever wanted, on the roof of a skyscraper during a party......in the park,....
tina
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Retro Fyre Wizzard
538 posts
Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN), South Africa
Retro Fyre Wizzard
538 posts
Location: Pietermaritzburg (KZN), South Africa
Posted:
We do...
wherever people want us!
:o)
We do...
wherever people want us!
:o)
Regards
Shu
(Ice-E FyreStorm - Group Manager & Performer)
You know those people your parentals warned you about?... I'M ONE OF THEM! 
Yes, i do bite!!
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old hand
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Location: In a van, United Kingdom
old hand
1,092 posts
Location: In a van, United Kingdom
Posted:
and me.
well.. stilts, lately thats me, but hey, thats were the moneys at?! at the moment anyhow.
and me.
well.. stilts, lately thats me, but hey, thats were the moneys at?! at the moment anyhow.
passing through, this world still lives.
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Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Still wiggling
5,967 posts
Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Posted:
Things have changed since my last post.
I'm now trying to get work for our little fire group here in Belfast, full-time.
It's incredibly difficult since most people have no idea what poi is (hoping to fix that this week) and others go straight to the circus school to hire performers.
This is only a good thing if you've been part of the circus for at least 5 years, can do acrobatics and are close friends with the receptionist (who gives out the gigs).
But, I'm starting from scratch. Contacting event companies, nightclubs etc. The usual.
At the minute, it's about 70% organisation, paperwork and phonecalls, 25% practice, 5% gigs. Puh.
Things have changed since my last post.
I'm now trying to get work for our little fire group here in Belfast, full-time.
It's incredibly difficult since most people have no idea what poi is (hoping to fix that this week) and others go straight to the circus school to hire performers.
This is only a good thing if you've been part of the circus for at least 5 years, can do acrobatics and are close friends with the receptionist (who gives out the gigs).
But, I'm starting from scratch. Contacting event companies, nightclubs etc. The usual.
At the minute, it's about 70% organisation, paperwork and phonecalls, 25% practice, 5% gigs. Puh.
Getting to the other side 
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
You get 25% to practice?
Damn you're lucky!
Written by: Firepoise
At the minute, it's about 70% organisation, paperwork and phonecalls, 25% practice, 5% gigs. Puh.
You get 25% to practice?
Damn you're lucky!
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
Posted:
Hurrah for this thread!
I've been increasingly tempted by a career in preforming. Lately I've been doing nothing but learning loads of new talents and having a blast at it, so naturally I've considered doing this for a living. Hopefully I'll still enjoy it in a few years time, let alone doing it full time. Thanks everybody for leaving your little gems of wisdom, they've helped.
Hurrah for this thread!
I've been increasingly tempted by a career in preforming. Lately I've been doing nothing but learning loads of new talents and having a blast at it, so naturally I've considered doing this for a living. Hopefully I'll still enjoy it in a few years time, let alone doing it full time. Thanks everybody for leaving your little gems of wisdom, they've helped.
-James
"How do you know if you're happy or sad without a mask? Or angry? Or ready for dessert?"
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*Tickles pretty strangers*
610 posts
Location: Australia
*Tickles pretty strangers*
610 posts
Location: Australia
Posted:
Yay for fire performance! I work full time as a fire performer / circus performer ( I think most of you would know that - I've worked with some of you) I love it.
My insurance covers me internationally, in au $ it's $408, so it's all farely expensive but definitely a must!
I recommend this career to everyone whos willing to work at it!
Yay for fire performance! I work full time as a fire performer / circus performer ( I think most of you would know that - I've worked with some of you)
I love it.My insurance covers me internationally, in au $ it's $408, so it's all farely expensive but definitely a must!
I recommend this career to everyone whos willing to work at it!
What if I should fall right through the centre of the Earth and come out the other side where people walk upside-down?!
addict
422 posts
Location: London
422 posts
Location: London
Posted:
hey i do acrobatics but im not mates with cow.....Grrrrrrrrrrr she doesnt like me........ but anywho shes never performed in her life, she just likes to feel important
hey i do acrobatics but im not mates with cow.....Grrrrrrrrrrr she doesnt like me........ but anywho shes never performed in her life, she just likes to feel important
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water based
5,125 posts
Location: melbourne, Australia
water based
5,125 posts
Location: melbourne, Australia
Posted:
hey, cool, i can add myself to this list now.
i am a student during the week, but on the weekends, i don my black pants, black shirt, black hat and pixie jumper (from flynt ) and become.. *pauses for dramatic music* a street performer. ive now done two shows, in the past few weeks, and we're building up our show so it'll be in full swing before summer.
alot of it is basic magic, juggling, escapology and fire eating / breathing (breathing not done by me) but once we get the appropriate stuff, we'll be doing a sword basket trick, where i climb into a basket, then someone sticks 7 swords through it.
cheers, pete
hey, cool, i can add myself to this list now.
i am a student during the week, but on the weekends, i don my black pants, black shirt, black hat and pixie jumper (from flynt
) and become.. *pauses for dramatic music* a street performer. ive now done two shows, in the past few weeks, and we're building up our show so it'll be in full swing before summer.alot of it is basic magic, juggling, escapology and fire eating / breathing (breathing not done by me) but once we get the appropriate stuff, we'll be doing a sword basket trick, where i climb into a basket, then someone sticks 7 swords through it.
cheers, pete
"you know there are no trophys for doing silly things in real life yeah pete?" said ant "you wont get a 'listened to ride of the valkyries all the way to vietnam' trophy"
*proud owner of the very cute fire_spinning_angel, birgit and neon shaolin*
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