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*edit*
so i reckon this thread will hold a record of the new things and stuff im learning along the way, all input of any kind is welcome...
*edit*
*where was I? oh yeah here, The elbow, arm, arm elbow roll*
Its simple really, I cant do it.
I've seen some real nice clips of this move (Thankyou MCP/Glass) but I still seem to be missing somthing fundamental.
So I take the staff in my right hand, bring it accross my body under my extended left elbow and roll. extend left arm and let staff roll onto right arm. Bring staff back towards body on right arm
Now here is the problem, it just stops working there, I think i might be missing an extra beat/spin or something. Or it it could be the position of my wrist. Dont ask me what my wrist is doin, it goes all wonky in a natural reaction to the feeling of the staff falling off when i start bending my right arm on the way back in,
Any ideas?
If I can get this I'll move onto to trying to combine it with a shoulder rool and a turn to get it across my back and other shoulder.
I'm hoping to put up a clip soon, not of what i cant do but of what I can, after six months it's be cool to get some HOP feedback.
*edit*
so i reckon this thread will hold a record of the new things and stuff im learning along the way, all input of any kind is welcome...
*edit*
*where was I? oh yeah here, The elbow, arm, arm elbow roll*
Its simple really, I cant do it.
I've seen some real nice clips of this move (Thankyou MCP/Glass) but I still seem to be missing somthing fundamental.
So I take the staff in my right hand, bring it accross my body under my extended left elbow and roll. extend left arm and let staff roll onto right arm. Bring staff back towards body on right arm
Now here is the problem, it just stops working there, I think i might be missing an extra beat/spin or something. Or it it could be the position of my wrist. Dont ask me what my wrist is doin, it goes all wonky in a natural reaction to the feeling of the staff falling off when i start bending my right arm on the way back in,
Any ideas?
If I can get this I'll move onto to trying to combine it with a shoulder rool and a turn to get it across my back and other shoulder.
I'm hoping to put up a clip soon, not of what i cant do but of what I can, after six months it's be cool to get some HOP feedback.
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my apologies mister stick... or is it mister man?
there is indeed another turn. the turns and the fishtails happen at more or less the same time too. ive edited the offending article.
congrats on the fishtails.
Do I still get a lolly molly?
*shakes pocket to make raisin like noise*
my apologies mister stick... or is it mister man?
there is indeed another turn. the turns and the fishtails happen at more or less the same time too. ive edited the offending article.
congrats on the fishtails.
Do I still get a lolly molly?
*shakes pocket to make raisin like noise*
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yes, certainly - if that address will work
I'm all confused now and the most sticky thing I've got on my desk (BOO for being in work on a Sunday) is a packet of polos
can't do contact with polos
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yes, certainly - if that address will work
I'm all confused now and the most sticky thing I've got on my desk (BOO for being in work on a Sunday) is a packet of polos
can't do contact with polos
:sulk:
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noop, but you can hoop with them, well you could if they were huuuuuge polo's
it should be a continious 360 turn once the half reverse fishtail starts. and the stick flips over in the transition/hand change from reverse fishtail to forwards fishtail. i think i showed mcp at juggling what i was at. i hadnt thought of eblow rolls at the time though.
am i confusing this even more. i jus did it again to make sure it wasnt just my imagination (read: smoke) last night. it does indeed work.
noop, but you can hoop with them, well you could if they were huuuuuge polo's
it should be a continious 360 turn once the half reverse fishtail starts. and the stick flips over in the transition/hand change from reverse fishtail to forwards fishtail. i think i showed mcp at juggling what i was at. i hadnt thought of eblow rolls at the time though.
am i confusing this even more. i jus did it again to make sure it wasnt just my imagination (read: smoke) last night. it does indeed work.
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I just made three baby sticks with irish aluminium, though being very ill it was hard work. I will name them after the three irish people I know.
I just made three baby sticks with irish aluminium, though being very ill it was hard work. I will name them after the three irish people I know.
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Yay!!!
did you see olives new vids. theres a guy with six sticks and he only has two hands...
Yay!!!
did you see olives new vids. theres a guy with six sticks and he only has two hands...
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Just tried that elbow wrist 1/2 fishtail...... Its a nice move and feels natural. Was the first time i picked up staff since friday caus ejust got up the energy.tried it twice and ran out of power.
Hate being sick!! Got a fever last night and had halucinations that i was spinning.it was scary yet calming at the same time
Just tried that elbow wrist 1/2 fishtail...... Its a nice move and feels natural. Was the first time i picked up staff since friday caus ejust got up the energy.tried it twice and ran out of power.
Hate being sick!! Got a fever last night and had halucinations that i was spinning.it was scary yet calming at the same time
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step away from the stick dec.
loads to show you
we should hook up next weekend
provided your arms havent fallen off
STOP SPINNING FOR A WHILE!!!!
my eblow hurts again also
SO I'VE TAKEN A BREAK!!!
step away from the stick dec.
loads to show you
we should hook up next weekend
provided your arms havent fallen off
STOP SPINNING FOR A WHILE!!!!
my eblow hurts again also
SO I'VE TAKEN A BREAK!!!
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nine months later and this finally clicks for me and starts to feel nice.
three and half months later and this finally clicks
so if your new to staff or just frustrated and its tough to keep going... keep at it, do whatever works and do everything that doesnt work.
you'll get it.
Written by: mcp
Well the tips I can give you for the pivot are: Obviously coming out of a neck wrap the stick is going to be right on your neck, make sure it stays there, as you don't want it wandering around your shoulder. Halo rolls take place on the back of your neck. This is where the staff must be for a pivot. Not messing around on your shoulder.
Turn on the spot. Stepping backwards into the staff is what I did for a while and not only is it plane breaking, it's going to puch the staff away from you and generally result in fallage of staff or hurtage of you. Turn on the spot and turn FAST... (depending how fast the stick is going) The stick needs some momentum for this trick to work..
nine months later and this finally clicks for me and starts to feel nice.
Written by: Dentrassi
i hear you mcp!
it occurred to me recently that i steve, backspin, and matrix all in the same direction!although its much easier learning the second time
ado - a handy hint with the half steves which helped me enormously - if you stand straight up for the move - its more likely to backspin off the shoulder rather than wrap around the neck, but if you hunch your neck forwards as it first hits the neck its much easier to wrap around the neck half steve style.
cheers!
three and half months later and this finally clicks
so if your new to staff or just frustrated and its tough to keep going... keep at it, do whatever works and do everything that doesnt work.
you'll get it.
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I stepped away and will have to for the next few days cause i just physically cant bo it. after reading mcp's quote stuff makes a little bit more sense on the pivoting
Yeah i can come down next week if im alright
I stepped away and will have to for the next few days cause i just physically cant bo it. after reading mcp's quote stuff makes a little bit more sense on the pivoting
Yeah i can come down next week if im alright
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Phew, making three sticks was ard. No I have to make another six! bug nuts. Plus I need some names for the long ones. My brain keeps nagging me about the number three and the fact there should be lots of 3 things about with cool names. Triplets, or three people in ancient myths or something but I can't remember any...
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Phew, making three sticks was ard. No I have to make another six! bug nuts. Plus I need some names for the long ones. My brain keeps nagging me about the number three and the fact there should be lots of 3 things about with cool names. Triplets, or three people in ancient myths or something but I can't remember any...
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everyone is ill
everyone is ill
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A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film
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ok since no one has posted in a few days i take it uppon my self to do so
Ok things i got solid today
1) SNES' mmm and got them working with doubles (one doing snes one pinwheel or fishys depending on what happens
2)jeseus i got a brused head now tho, entering from either front or back
3)sweeps i think is what they are called (frontside snes?) mcp am i right?
and not solid but gettin there double fishys.
and whats more ive found a good new place to practice
How's every one doin?
ok since no one has posted in a few days i take it uppon my self to do so
Ok things i got solid today
1) SNES' mmm and got them working with doubles (one doing snes one pinwheel or fishys depending on what happens
2)jeseus
i got a brused head now tho, entering from either front or back3)sweeps i think is what they are called (frontside snes?) mcp am i right?
and not solid but gettin there double fishys.
and whats more ive found a good new place to practice
How's every one doin?
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A) it does feel as good
B) it does not look as good on film
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nice work on the doubles contact...
last week i was workin on fishtails and turns. got some nice 180's and such.
im off the staff for a while though. for the good of my health.
jesus is uber hard. i still have no idea where my body is going with this one. which side are you starting on?
nice work on the doubles contact...
last week i was workin on fishtails and turns. got some nice 180's and such.
im off the staff for a while though. for the good of my health.
jesus is uber hard. i still have no idea where my body is going with this one. which side are you starting on?
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im either starting on the right hand side like goin into a halo and then just turn and turn and turn :P
or if you enter a snes under your left arm, and then rather than do a snes, let it go fowards and then turn and turn and turn some more it seams to work, got it a few times with doubles as well, but then rather than being a propper jesus, it sent down my arm first then on to the other arm then shoulder then back round the back, if that makes sence
im either starting on the right hand side like goin into a halo and then just turn and turn and turn :P
or if you enter a snes under your left arm, and then rather than do a snes, let it go fowards and then turn and turn and turn some more it seams to work, got it a few times with doubles as well, but then rather than being a propper jesus, it sent down my arm first then on to the other arm then shoulder then back round the back, if that makes sence
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sounds like it's trident style.
I don't like practising jesus's they be scarey. Especially the back to front transition. All throat moves are scarey thou.
sounds like it's trident style.
I don't like practising jesus's they be scarey. Especially the back to front transition. All throat moves are scarey thou.
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my adams apple is too big for throat side moves
its huuuuge
have you seen the cube fx trident vid lava
i've got it here somewhere, it rocks!!!
my adams apple is too big for throat side moves
its huuuuge
have you seen the cube fx trident vid lava
i've got it here somewhere, it rocks!!!
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what be trident style? one with 3 vertical points on the frontside?
what be trident style? one with 3 vertical points on the frontside?
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no, what adobe was talking about, cube-fx's trident vid. He does a variant of a jesus with a fire staff and a trident. (Well it's more the bastard offspring of a pivot and a jesus.) He doesn't bother to do a frontside halo roll, he just transfers it between his arms instead. Dozy cube manipulating quiff sporting boy thing that he is.
Plus: Your adams apple isn't all that adobe! If you ain't got gouters, don't complain! And get with the throat side moves...
no, what adobe was talking about, cube-fx's trident vid. He does a variant of a jesus with a fire staff and a trident. (Well it's more the bastard offspring of a pivot and a jesus.) He doesn't bother to do a frontside halo roll, he just transfers it between his arms instead. Dozy cube manipulating quiff sporting boy thing that he is.
Plus: Your adams apple isn't all that adobe! If you ain't got gouters, don't complain! And get with the throat side moves...
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i'll try to dig it out and stick it up in an email account for you lavalight. its worth it just to see how good you can look when your making planes up as you go long.
there might still be some cube spinning vids up on cubefx dot something
gouters?
i'll try to dig it out and stick it up in an email account for you lavalight. its worth it just to see how good you can look when your making planes up as you go long.
there might still be some cube spinning vids up on cubefx dot something
gouters?
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Nope i havent seen the video, thats why im gettin lost
Nope i havent seen the video, thats why im gettin lost
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when you have a severe lack of iodine and all your glands on your neck swell up cos they be silly like. This is why they add iodine to salt in countries what have goiters problems.
These be the same glands that go nasty in glandular fever presumably. I think they make a special hormone that we need all the time, like human growth hormone of somesuch.
Cube-fx does loads of agonising plane breaking moves. It's like to watch.
when you have a severe lack of iodine and all your glands on your neck swell up cos they be silly like. This is why they add iodine to salt in countries what have goiters problems.
These be the same glands that go nasty in glandular fever presumably. I think they make a special hormone that we need all the time, like human growth hormone of somesuch.
Cube-fx does loads of agonising plane breaking moves. It's like
to watch. "the now legendary" - Kaskade
"the still legendary" - Kaskade
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glandular fever, that sucks soooo much i had it at christmas, but i did get an appology from the girl that gave it to me the other day :P
humm mcp you wont like my spinning then, bad planes every where!
glandular fever, that sucks soooo much
i had it at christmas, but i did get an appology from the girl that gave it to me the other day :Phumm mcp you wont like my spinning then, bad planes every where!
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hello gizmolieo
hello gizmolieo
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goitre is your in your thyroid innit megmog
that's different to you lymph nodes that get all big and nasty when you're ill
I know no stick
but I now know that hoop hurts and is remarkably difficult to do halos with
learn something new etc. etc.
:distant hug: for the poorly ones
goitre is your in your thyroid innit megmog
that's different to you lymph nodes that get all big and nasty when you're ill
I know no stick
but I now know that hoop hurts and is remarkably difficult to do halos with
learn something new etc. etc.
:distant hug: for the poorly ones
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i learnt the mostest badassest move yesterday.
meg can you describe it?
i learnt the mostest badassest move yesterday.
meg can you describe it?
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i have been doing a small bit but not much lately. I have a bit of a problem with momentum though. i am doing a halo-neck roll-halo and i can get two in a row but then the staff starts to run out of momentum so can anybody tell me at what point can i put extra momentum into the staff?
Nice work lava, sounds like there going to be something to see in edinburgh.
i have been doing a small bit but not much lately. I have a bit of a problem with momentum though. i am doing a halo-neck roll-halo and i can get two in a row but then the staff starts to run out of momentum so can anybody tell me at what point can i put extra momentum into the staff?
Nice work lava, sounds like there going to be something to see in edinburgh.
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yes I can.
Oh okay then, I will.
What you were doing was a horizontal elbow wrap to throat wrap, that went down your body as you turned into an illusion kick, at which point you caught the stick between your legs.
There was another pretty mental variation that you pulled off too, but I forgot it.
yes I can.
Oh okay then, I will.
What you were doing was a horizontal elbow wrap to throat wrap, that went down your body as you turned into an illusion kick, at which point you caught the stick between your legs.
There was another pretty mental variation that you pulled off too, but I forgot it.
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illusion kick?
's for the girl with the hurty halo hoop.
it is not a stick molly
illusion kick?
's for the girl with the hurty halo hoop.it is not a stick molly
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