Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:So there's a phenomenon known as "Sleep Paralysis" that often occurs when people are going to sleep or just waking up. Normally, when people are asleep, the brain remains active, so a special center in the brainstem turns on to block any outgoing neural signals. That prevents you from acting out your dreams (sleepwalking, among other things). This center prevents you from using all your voluntary muscles except for the muscles around your eyes and your breathing muscles.

Sometimes, this center turns on a bit prematurely, or fails to turn off for a little bit after we wake up. In that case, we are awake, but we are completely paralyzed. It tends to happen to people who are chronically sleep-deprived (like medical students...).

I had a horrible bout of this this morning. I couldn't open my eyes, I couldn't lift my head, I could scream to try to wake myself up, nothing. It's terrifying to be completely paralyzed like that.

This happen to other people?


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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Psyri
Psyri

artisan
Location: Berkshire, UK
Member Since: 2nd Apr 2003
Total posts: 1576
Posted:A few times.... its weird tho aint it?

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pounce
pounce

All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all a...
Member Since: 10th Jan 2003
Total posts: 9831
Posted:ya i've had that happen to me, it was horrible.

I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**

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mrFlibble
Ghostbuster
Location: York, UK
Member Since: 1st Mar 2003
Total posts: 455
Posted:never happened to me as far as i can remember. heard about the phenomenon though.
reminds me of a good documentary on tv the other night about encephalitis lethargica


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_Aime_
_Aime_

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Hastings
Member Since: 2nd Jan 2004
Total posts: 4172
Posted:I used to get it quite alot when i was little, but i don't get it as much now. I didn't think it was scary, just a little strange.

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howwoward
member
Location: Reno
Member Since: 24th Jul 2003
Total posts: 73
Posted:its happened to me - about the only thing I can do at that time is to modify my breathing - faster or harder. I've gotten it to the point that I can wake myself up with the breathing (or get the person next to me to wake me up, hee hee!

Sometimes, you just have to believe.

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Lurch
Lurch

old hand
Location: Oregon
Member Since: 1st Nov 2003
Total posts: 929
Posted:Supposedly if you know what you're doing you can enduce an astral projection from that... Never actually managed it though

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OrangeBobo
OrangeBobo

veteran
Location: Guelph, ON, Canada
Member Since: 21st Nov 2003
Total posts: 1389
Posted:I never stop moving long enough for that to happen. I moove aaaallll night long, no joke!

~ Bobo


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iForgot
newbie
Location: san diego ca
Member Since: 20th Jul 2004
Total posts: 23
Posted:My father has serious sleeping problems. he has had this problem a few times before.

fortunatly I have not.


Im not quite sure what it is but it came out of my nose.

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Valura
Valura

Mumma Hen
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Member Since: 25th Apr 2002
Total posts: 6391
Posted:I have severe sleep apena and this happens all the time If I dont use my cpap machine. Its bloody horrible.

TAJ "boat mummy." VALURA "yes sweetie you went on a boat, was daddy there with you?" TAJ "no, but monkey on boat" VALURA "well then sweetie, Daddy WAS there with you"

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Katch
Katch

Beach bum

Member Since: 21st Jun 2004
Total posts: 162
Posted:It's happened to me a few times... Every time it does I freak out so badly... Thanks for explaining what it was, at least if it happens again, I know what's going on. smile

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
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native
native

sleeping with angels
Location: anaheim CA usa
Member Since: 16th Jun 2004
Total posts: 508
Posted:yes it has several times and it freaked me out bad.
i also have sleep apina and every know and then i waske up and i still cant breath for a couple of minutes a freaked out bad last time


SLEEP WITH ANGELS muckieha

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(Sole)Spark
fixerupera of strangness maximus
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Member Since: 26th Sep 2002
Total posts: 147
Posted:yeah its friggin weird hey but it only happens to me when ive been on the piss

like this morning i woke up from 4 hours sleep half drunk and i couldnt feel my left hand and to make matters worse because i couldnt feel it i had it in a weird pos and when it finally woke up it caned like all hell

then there was this other time when my whole right side of my body was asleep i had to use my left arm to move my right left and right arm around so i could become comfortable and trying to wake them up the odd thump and general movement

the closest thing to being wheelchair bound its pretty scary


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roarfire
roarfire

comfortably numb
Location: The countryside
Member Since: 8th Jul 2004
Total posts: 2676
Posted:Can't say it has happened to me.

I do however, hate waking up with the 'sleepy arm' where it's all floppy and numb. I hate that feeling. It happens occasionally. Feeling eventually comes back and everything but at the time...I hate it.

and the feeling when you get up too fast and everything fades to black and you get dizzy too. Lol. You stand up and within seconds you fall back onto your bed. It's funny.


.All things are beautiful if we take the time to look.

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gita
gita

.:*distracted by shiny things*:.
Location: brizvegas
Member Since: 13th Oct 2003
Total posts: 3776
Posted:i don't think i've ever had that before!! sounds kinda freaky!

i wish i had it this morning tho...you now that brief second after waking up the morning after a big night out and your bladder is screaming so you jump out of bed quite quickly? yeah, paralysis would have been good, so then i wouldn't have had that horrible feeling of all the blood rushing to my head and the after-effects of alcohol nearly knocking me out!! ubblol

but - i have been deprived of decent sleep for a long while now...so the paralysis thing may happen yet!! i need a good nights sleep...badly! i just can't fall into that lovely deep sleep...dang...

umm


do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good to eat!

if at first you do succeed, try not to look too astonished!

smile! grin it confuses people!

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Gnor
Gnor

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Perth
Member Since: 31st Mar 2003
Total posts: 5814
Posted:I first read the title as Sheep paralysis which sounded like Lightning branching into Vitinery..
..sounds like you got nipped by a blue ring octopus..
..I think they have an effect similar, without maybe the breathing bit. Which is quite important rolleyes
Wanders off to bed


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Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?

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Elanna
Elanna

Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.
Location: NJ or DE, USA
Member Since: 25th Aug 2003
Total posts: 2293
Posted:I'd been wondering about that... I've had it happen a lot. First time it happened I was really little and it scared the c*** outta me. Never had it happen after that until this past year. I guess I'm more sleep deprived than I thought. rolleyes

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

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Mint Sauce
veteran
Location: Lancs England
Member Since: 7th Sep 2003
Total posts: 1453
Posted:Hay lightning the stuff about the section of the brain stem switching on and of, could this explain what happens to those people who claim to be awake during general anaesthesia?? When I was on my theta placement I was working in the recovery room looking after a woman who had just come had a total Knee replacement just as I was removing the incubation tube she jumped up screaming totally awake claming she was awake throughout the whole operation. Totally freaked me out on discussion with the anaesthetists he said he had never come across anything like that before.

Any ideas


before i met those lot i thought they'd be a bunch of dreadlocked hippies that smoked, set things on fire ,and drank a lot of tea but then when i met them....oh wait (PyroWill)

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:Mint Sauce, I don't think so because if you were awake, you'd probably feel the pain...and that would increase your heart rate and blood pressure, so the anesthiologist would know about it, seeing as how he's got a monitor in just about every hole you've got and even in some holes that aren't normally there. eek

However, some patients have some rather disturbing dreams while they are anesthetized. A friend of mine who had to have an operation (and who was a resident at the time) dreamed that she arrested (cardiac) and had to be resuscitated while in the OR. She woke up going "oh my god, I arrested! Am I OK??" and the surgical staff was all "what the HECK are you talking about?!?!?" ubblol

This is especially problematic if they use ketamine as one of the induction agents.


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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pounce
pounce

All the neurotic makings of America's lesser known sweetheart
Location: body in Las Vegas, heart all a...
Member Since: 10th Jan 2003
Total posts: 9831
Posted:i woke up once with deaden limbs. i dunno if it was a form of sleep paralysis or the effects of carpal tunnel or just sleeping on my arm wrong. but i couldn't move my arm to save my life. didn't even have pins and needles feeling. it was like it was entirely paralyzed. picking it up with my other arm and trying to move it was really scary. never knew my arm weighed that much.

I was always scared with my mother's obsession with the good scissors. It made me wonder if there were evil scissors lurking in the house somewhere.

Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.

**giggles**

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Xopher (aka Mr. Clean)
enthusiast
Location: Hoboken, New Jersey, USA
Member Since: 8th Jun 2004
Total posts: 456
Posted:It's a symptom of narcolepsy, too (because narcolepsy comes from not sleeping right - so it's very like being chronically sleep-deprived). My friend Teresa says this leads to dim waking thoughts like "how did I manage to break my spine while lying in bed?"

Get more sleep, dude. Do whatever you have to do. Hypnagogic hallucinations are next, and they could seriously mess up a patient, yeah? Not to mention cataplexy.


"If you didn't like something the first time, the cud won't be any good either." --Elsie the Cow, Ruminations

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:I've had hypnagogic hallucinations. Generally, I just hear awesomely beautiful music right before I fall asleep.

But now that I've caught up a lot on my sleep, I'm feeling much bettah!

Mo bettah, mo betta, mo betta!


-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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grasshoppah
grasshoppah

HoP is teh suxor.
Location: Tampa, Florida
Member Since: 4th Nov 2003
Total posts: 425
Posted:yes that has happened to me many times....

it is very scary...


Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:I think it's also a bit painful. At least, it hurts my back and neck (where I've had chronic pain until recently) a lot. Or rather, it feels like if I try to move, it will hurt intensely. As soon as I manage to, it doesn't hurt, of course.

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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SpitFire
Mand's Girl....and The Not So Shy One
Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
Member Since: 2nd Dec 2002
Total posts: 2723
Posted:Sleep paralysis used to happen to me all the time when I was a kid and it scared me to death. I couldn't cry out or anything.

About the time I turned 13, it seemed to wane.

I think it happened once when I was working on my Master's Thesis. I do NOT like the feeling at ALL.

eek


Solitude sometimes speaks to you, and you should listen.

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Doc Lightning
Doc Lightning

HOP Mad Doctor
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Member Since: 28th May 2001
Total posts: 13920
Posted:What I really hate is when you suddenly realize that you're asleep and that you're in a horrid nightmare and that all you want to do is WAKE UP and you can't open your eyes! eek

-Mike )'(
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella

"A buckuht 'n a hooze!" -Valura

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flid
flid

Carpal \'Tunnel
Location: Warwickshire
Member Since: 27th Aug 2002
Total posts: 3136
Posted:It's happened to me twice now, both times last summer.

I'd read about it many times before it happened, so when it did I went with the flow, and within about 20 seconds i could move again. The second time it happened it only paralysed me for a couple of seconds. I've spent about 7 years researching/practicing lucid dream induction now and I can recreate the phenomenom at will when i LD, but I don't think it is a true experience, more likely a premature awakening (which I suffer from a lot when keeping a dream journal).

The thing which I found most interesting about it however is that I felt a presence in the room next to the edge of my bed, slightly out of view. I knew it was my mother, which didn't make sense as I was at uni at the time, but didn't worry me all the same. I hadn't seen it mentioned in lucid dream discussion groups before, but i did a search anyway. Turns out, a lot of people experience the same feeling when they have sleep paralysis, generally of an evil spirit. The second time it happened the presence did feel less savoury.

I don't know why this happens, I guess its a side effect of your rational brain trying to make sense of whats going on - i an't move so something must be holding me down, and hence a halucination just out of view. The interesting thing is that it fits in with a *lot* of reported ghost sightings (wake up, held down to the bed by a ghost, which disappears a few seconds later). I'm open minded, but a scientist, and I only beleive in things which have been proven/i can recreate. I don't rule out the existance of ghosts or aliens, but i can't help but see a link between things such as sleep paralysis and other medical phenomenons and them. I also can't help but see a link between alien sightings and the fact that most are reported by schizophrenic rednecks who want to be on TV (here in the UK we had a beer advert not so long ago where the presenter says to a bunch of aliens "Stop! what are you doing?! Why do you always abduct the stupid people? The earth has plenty of scientists and brainy people to take....". Anyway, i'm rambling off topic again as usual smile

My point is that when it happens and you see a 'ghost' in this way it is completely petrifying. I knew what was happening so it was less scary, but even so it put the fear in me. The question which I have, is this a hallucination created by the brain, or are we in this state able to link with another realm? I know some people beleive that humans can 'connect' in certain atmospheric conditions (temperal lobe epilepsy), but is it just all in our minds? Answers on a postcard.


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