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Note this is an edited post - It summarizes all the information to date. All posts following where written prior to this event being funded and hence won't make much sense.
Fire Twirl with the Crusty Demons of Dirt At Rod Laver Arena, Melb...and Get Stuff! (Now Funded)
I am pleased to announce there will be a budget for this event ...Thanks guys! - Final details will follow soon. (It won't be huge but it will be there!)
(Skip Below if you are just interested in budget update.)
Fire Twirl with The Crusty Demons of Dirt; Event Details
Event:
50+ Fire Twirlers / Breathers wanted for a 4 min group fire display at the Crusty Demon of Dirt Show in Melbourne Australia at the Rod Laver Arena on 21st & 22nd May 2004 (Fri & Sat night)*
Participants will get in for free & receive an aditional free ticket ($80 value) to the second show so a friend can come & see you. Participants will recieve a âthank you store creditâ * for a major fire supplies store (ammount and place redeemable will be posted by end of the week) .
* Please note this âstore creditâ can not, and is not to be construed or interpreted in any way, shape of form as payment.
The production will also appear on the next Crusty Demons DVD so you can show everone after if you want â all fuel for the performances will be supplied including non-toxic oils for fire breathers.
Who Can Participate:
Anyone who would like the experience of being a part of a show this size â everybody will be on together creating a mass fire effect rather than a focus on individuals. Participants of any level are welcome but must commit to attending.
Participants Must:
Contact me ASAP at: crystalflame@mail.com
Leave your full name, contact number / s and the date of the show you can attend (Both is preferable but send me you details regardless) Include if you are a fire twirler, breather or both.
You will be contacted back within a week to confirm you attendance and receive a full briefing.
There will probably be a cut off point on numbers so please forward me your detail ASAP if interested.
As a last resort I can be contacted on 0421 851 886 but DON'T CALL unless you are unable to contact me via email.
P.s. There will also be an additional budget for 20 of these people who want to arrive a bit early and be part of the derelict / industrial theme . People wanted to play / act as âhomeless peopleâ displayed around entrance area for atmospheric purposes and a small amount of crowd interaction for aditional store credit value - see Buget update).
*Crusty Demons will be doing a similar show in each state feel free to email me if you are interested in participating in a different state and I will forward your details to the appropriate event organizer (Mark in the subject field of your email which state you are from).
Budget Update:
Budget will appear in the form of a âthank you store creditâ for a major fire supplies store . Please note this âstore creditâ can not, and is not to be construed or interpreted in any way, shape of form as payment . Each performer will also receive a free $80 ticket for a friend to come and see them at the second show.
'Store credit' will be about $30 per person + $50 if you want to do the 'homeless improve' thing at beginning (see above) + Free $80 ticket for friend to second show and all fuel paid for. - Doesn't sound like a heap but it's actually more than most professional 5 person troupes charge - It's just spread out over so many people. Yes they could afford professional troupes and have rejected at least 2 professional quotes that I know of for less than they are paying now - They want quantity / lots of performer for their show - it's their prerogative
Once again - these figures aren't final -Verbally they have been agreed to but the paperwork won't be signed till wed...so realistically I should know by Friday.
Safety Update:
A safety Buffer area of 3 meters cubed+ will be in place from the crowd and all crusty demons performers sign wavers saying itâs not your problem if you hit themâŠDONâT but if you do accidentally you arenât liable. The venue itself will be covered in dirt and canât catch on fire â and being the sort of show it is there will be plenty of fire safety equipment on site should the unforeseeable occur.
Those of you who are under 18 and have been emailing me â YES you can perform but you must get a parental consent form signed.
Iâll post the full details on amount for store credit once paperwork signed and finalised but in the mean time it looks like there will either be a cut off at 50 performers for the âstore creditâ; or people who are participating can elect to have they amount evenly distributed among attendees â currently first in best dressed and decision will be upon to first 50 on if they want to share or not. â So get in quick.
Email me ASAP if you want to be a part of it. (See Above)
There has been an onging saga with this event: All posts below relate to that - this post summarises the first 2 pages of this thread.
EDITED_BY: Tyr (1083561228)
Note this is an edited post - It summarizes all the information to date. All posts following where written prior to this event being funded and hence won't make much sense.
Fire Twirl with the Crusty Demons of Dirt At Rod Laver Arena, Melb...and Get Stuff! (Now Funded)
I am pleased to announce there will be a budget for this event ...Thanks guys! - Final details will follow soon. (It won't be huge but it will be there!)
(Skip Below if you are just interested in budget update.)
Fire Twirl with The Crusty Demons of Dirt; Event Details
Event:
50+ Fire Twirlers / Breathers wanted for a 4 min group fire display at the Crusty Demon of Dirt Show in Melbourne Australia at the Rod Laver Arena on 21st & 22nd May 2004 (Fri & Sat night)*
Participants will get in for free & receive an aditional free ticket ($80 value) to the second show so a friend can come & see you. Participants will recieve a âthank you store creditâ * for a major fire supplies store (ammount and place redeemable will be posted by end of the week) .
* Please note this âstore creditâ can not, and is not to be construed or interpreted in any way, shape of form as payment.
The production will also appear on the next Crusty Demons DVD so you can show everone after if you want â all fuel for the performances will be supplied including non-toxic oils for fire breathers.
Who Can Participate:
Anyone who would like the experience of being a part of a show this size â everybody will be on together creating a mass fire effect rather than a focus on individuals. Participants of any level are welcome but must commit to attending.
Participants Must:
Contact me ASAP at: crystalflame@mail.com
Leave your full name, contact number / s and the date of the show you can attend (Both is preferable but send me you details regardless) Include if you are a fire twirler, breather or both.
You will be contacted back within a week to confirm you attendance and receive a full briefing.
There will probably be a cut off point on numbers so please forward me your detail ASAP if interested.
As a last resort I can be contacted on 0421 851 886 but DON'T CALL unless you are unable to contact me via email.
P.s. There will also be an additional budget for 20 of these people who want to arrive a bit early and be part of the derelict / industrial theme . People wanted to play / act as âhomeless peopleâ displayed around entrance area for atmospheric purposes and a small amount of crowd interaction for aditional store credit value - see Buget update).
*Crusty Demons will be doing a similar show in each state feel free to email me if you are interested in participating in a different state and I will forward your details to the appropriate event organizer (Mark in the subject field of your email which state you are from).
Budget Update:
Budget will appear in the form of a âthank you store creditâ for a major fire supplies store . Please note this âstore creditâ can not, and is not to be construed or interpreted in any way, shape of form as payment . Each performer will also receive a free $80 ticket for a friend to come and see them at the second show.
'Store credit' will be about $30 per person + $50 if you want to do the 'homeless improve' thing at beginning (see above) + Free $80 ticket for friend to second show and all fuel paid for. - Doesn't sound like a heap but it's actually more than most professional 5 person troupes charge - It's just spread out over so many people. Yes they could afford professional troupes and have rejected at least 2 professional quotes that I know of for less than they are paying now - They want quantity / lots of performer for their show - it's their prerogative
Once again - these figures aren't final -Verbally they have been agreed to but the paperwork won't be signed till wed...so realistically I should know by Friday.
Safety Update:
A safety Buffer area of 3 meters cubed+ will be in place from the crowd and all crusty demons performers sign wavers saying itâs not your problem if you hit themâŠDONâT but if you do accidentally you arenât liable. The venue itself will be covered in dirt and canât catch on fire â and being the sort of show it is there will be plenty of fire safety equipment on site should the unforeseeable occur.
Those of you who are under 18 and have been emailing me â YES you can perform but you must get a parental consent form signed.
Iâll post the full details on amount for store credit once paperwork signed and finalised but in the mean time it looks like there will either be a cut off at 50 performers for the âstore creditâ; or people who are participating can elect to have they amount evenly distributed among attendees â currently first in best dressed and decision will be upon to first 50 on if they want to share or not. â So get in quick.
Email me ASAP if you want to be a part of it. (See Above)
There has been an onging saga with this event: All posts below relate to that - this post summarises the first 2 pages of this thread.
EDITED_BY: Tyr (1083561228)
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insurance a requirement?
insurance a requirement?
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No Insurance or qualifications required - you will probably need to sign a quick disclaimer saying that you participate of your own volition and they are not responsible for your actions etc - details still being finalised.
The short and the long is that safety parameters will be set up but ultimately it will be up to individuals to twirl safely. - Full details will be sent with the briefing.
No Insurance or qualifications required - you will probably need to sign a quick disclaimer saying that you participate of your own volition and they are not responsible for your actions etc - details still being finalised.
The short and the long is that safety parameters will be set up but ultimately it will be up to individuals to twirl safely. - Full details will be sent with the briefing.
âWhat are you creatures of Fantastica? Dreams, poetic inventions, characters in a neverending story.â
Gmork
âThe Neverending Storyâ
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ZORT!
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ZORT!
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posted:
tyr,
have tryed to send you my details to pass on to who ever is running the NSW gig, but the emails bounce from your address.
ill pm my info to you if youd like.
cheers
tyr,
have tryed to send you my details to pass on to who ever is running the NSW gig, but the emails bounce from your address.
ill pm my info to you if youd like.
cheers
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Hey
Im considering signing up, how many people have you got so far?
TW
Hey
Im considering signing up, how many people have you got so far?
TW
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I was asked by steve if i could go on tour and he nev er got back to me . I'll call you later .
I was asked by steve if i could go on tour and he nev er got back to me . I'll call you later .
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Acctually thats cheap !!!! They make how many millions of dollars and won't pay the fire performers at all ?.
All the other performers got paid !!!!
Moonpixie , Bec and Knoxious told me they would't pay much (in fact they didn't get payed at all).
EDITED_BY: Puk (1081918686)
Acctually thats cheap !!!! They make how many millions of dollars and won't pay the fire performers at all ?.
All the other performers got paid !!!!
Moonpixie , Bec and Knoxious told me they would't pay much (in fact they didn't get payed at all).
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that shrewd and knavish sprite
Called Robin Good Fellow ; are you not he that is frighten of the maidens of the villagery - fairy
I am the merry wander of the night -puk
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Hay Guy's - There was some email problem with the provider - all working again now though.
About 30 twirlers and a few Fire breathers on board to date: - still getting final word max numbers etc but more are wanted and needed .
The Fire show was apparently a last minute addition to the show acting on some âfan requestâ thing they do which is why no budget was allocated â I agree it would be nice to be paid but this one's just for the fun unfortunatly â There is supposed to be a budget for the next show so by all means put in a proposal for itâŠ
All participation in this eventâs will be for the fun of it. â The Details have not been finalised with the organizers and I am, and will continue to negotiate all I can for the performers.
Cheers,
David.
Hay Guy's - There was some email problem with the provider - all working again now though.
About 30 twirlers and a few Fire breathers on board to date: - still getting final word max numbers etc but more are wanted and needed .
The Fire show was apparently a last minute addition to the show acting on some âfan requestâ thing they do which is why no budget was allocated â I agree it would be nice to be paid but this one's just for the fun unfortunatly â There is supposed to be a budget for the next show so by all means put in a proposal for itâŠ
All participation in this eventâs will be for the fun of it. â The Details have not been finalised with the organizers and I am, and will continue to negotiate all I can for the performers.
Cheers,
David.
âWhat are you creatures of Fantastica? Dreams, poetic inventions, characters in a neverending story.â
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Fierie people still wanted - Come and play
Fierie people still wanted - Come and play
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journeyman
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Dudes,
The reason you are not being paid and will never be paid is because these ppl know you will do it for free.
They always spin the same story about it being a last minute addition, therefore relying on your good heart, sense of charity and interest in being part of a big show to MEAN YOU DO IT FOR them for FREE and they dont have to pay you. They have heaps of money NO DOUBT.
And like pavlov's dog, you will always come to the party for them. It is an oooooold trick.
I know this and speak with such stubborness/attitude because FWDCo crew get these lame-assed requests for free gigs all the time and we say no, cos they always spin the late notice tripe. The payment is always free tix. Or media. Which never comes through, TRUST ME. This applies to most big raves aswell, tho there are exceptions.
Its up to you.
Enjoy a mad show, be part of a big thing and have a great time...which you will...there is nothing like it.....this is your pay. Just dont believe the crap they feed you about not having money..
At the moment some fire ppl are doing shows in melbourne for stupid amounts of money- ie almost nothing. This perpetuates the industry's belief that fire twirlers are just hippies/hacks and if you sling them a six pack or 50 bucks theyll dance to whatever you play. I know this sounds horrible. BUt afetr 7 years of doing gigs professionally, i know the disrespect we all cop, i have eaten it many times and it is waaaay nasty. And its cos we love this [censored] so much we WOULD do it for free! But see, this perpetuates the disrespect....we all have a choice...charge these corporate whores what they CAN PAY FOR, and get some respect (cos they equate money to respect- look at the world) or continue to do what we love, but always for cornchips...
i'd like to see if any of that suitwearingcrew would breathe fire for free.
cheers and sooty fingers
Vyv
Dudes,
The reason you are not being paid and will never be paid is because these ppl know you will do it for free.
They always spin the same story about it being a last minute addition, therefore relying on your good heart, sense of charity and interest in being part of a big show to MEAN YOU DO IT FOR them for FREE and they dont have to pay you. They have heaps of money NO DOUBT.
And like pavlov's dog, you will always come to the party for them. It is an oooooold trick.
I know this and speak with such stubborness/attitude because FWDCo crew get these lame-assed requests for free gigs all the time and we say no, cos they always spin the late notice tripe. The payment is always free tix. Or media. Which never comes through, TRUST ME. This applies to most big raves aswell, tho there are exceptions.
Its up to you.
Enjoy a mad show, be part of a big thing and have a great time...which you will...there is nothing like it.....this is your pay. Just dont believe the crap they feed you about not having money..
At the moment some fire ppl are doing shows in melbourne for stupid amounts of money- ie almost nothing. This perpetuates the industry's belief that fire twirlers are just hippies/hacks and if you sling them a six pack or 50 bucks theyll dance to whatever you play. I know this sounds horrible. BUt afetr 7 years of doing gigs professionally, i know the disrespect we all cop, i have eaten it many times and it is waaaay nasty. And its cos we love this [censored] so much we WOULD do it for free! But see, this perpetuates the disrespect....we all have a choice...charge these corporate whores what they CAN PAY FOR, and get some respect (cos they equate money to respect- look at the world) or continue to do what we love, but always for cornchips...
i'd like to see if any of that suitwearingcrew would breathe fire for free.
cheers and sooty fingers
Vyv
...Firebreathing? Magic is only part of it my friend, diet does the rest!
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Vyvyan - I was just about to type the same thing.
The CDOD show is a HUGE production. They sell out huge stadiums and make ridiculous amounts of money in merch. There is definitely budget there - they just know that twirlers will do it for free.
I can totally appriciate that a Crusty fan who twirls would give a body part to do the show, but c'mon....how much better would it be to do it and get paid!?
1)If you think you are good enough (and have thusly invested that much time into your skills) to get up in front of a stadium crowd and do good twirlage, then you deserve to be paid for it.
2)If you are going to spend time putting a costume together, then you deserve to be paid for it.
3)and by god if you are thinking of fire breathing fo rthis show *personal no no* you absolutely should be getting paid for it.
Respect yourself and ultimately all of us/you who are trying to earn a wage performing.
*rant ends*
dave
Vyvyan - I was just about to type the same thing.
The CDOD show is a HUGE production. They sell out huge stadiums and make ridiculous amounts of money in merch. There is definitely budget there - they just know that twirlers will do it for free.
I can totally appriciate that a Crusty fan who twirls would give a body part to do the show, but c'mon....how much better would it be to do it and get paid!?
1)If you think you are good enough (and have thusly invested that much time into your skills) to get up in front of a stadium crowd and do good twirlage, then you deserve to be paid for it.
2)If you are going to spend time putting a costume together, then you deserve to be paid for it.
3)and by god if you are thinking of fire breathing fo rthis show *personal no no* you absolutely should be getting paid for it.
Respect yourself and ultimately all of us/you who are trying to earn a wage performing.
*rant ends*
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Should we boycot then ????.
Should we boycot then ????.
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I am the merry wander of the night -puk
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Posted:
hey dude i wish'ed that i couldn't agree with you, but i do.
it does no favours to fire performers.
hey dude i wish'ed that i couldn't agree with you, but i do.
it does no favours to fire performers.
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Thankyou all for understanding and seeing my point. Recently returning from confest I saw there some of the most serious freaking fire mastery ever, (even to my overstimulatedeyes) done for free in the spirit of freedom and communal pyromania, and this spurs my arguement that you lot deserve to be paid more respect and money than is currently heading your way. Freebie gigs are good- for good causes- I have done full-on shows for next to nothing BUT only for fundraisers for kids with illness, social justice, environmental groups and so on...never the corporates! Nevaaaaahrrr!!!
cheers and sooty fingers
Vyvy
Thankyou all for understanding and seeing my point. Recently returning from confest I saw there some of the most serious freaking fire mastery ever, (even to my overstimulatedeyes) done for free in the spirit of freedom and communal pyromania, and this spurs my arguement that you lot deserve to be paid more respect and money than is currently heading your way. Freebie gigs are good- for good causes- I have done full-on shows for next to nothing BUT only for fundraisers for kids with illness, social justice, environmental groups and so on...never the corporates! Nevaaaaahrrr!!!
cheers and sooty fingers
Vyvy
...Firebreathing? Magic is only part of it my friend, diet does the rest!
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Yo Puk - If you are going to boycott (and by that I guess you mean not twirl in it?) then tell them why...otherwise you'll add to the slack hippy myth
...oh so many cliches to avoid! Try gaining credibility when you're selling a fire show by a troupe from Byron Bay !...
Yo Puk - If you are going to boycott (and by that I guess you mean not twirl in it?) then tell them why...otherwise you'll add to the slack hippy myth
...oh so many cliches to avoid! Try gaining credibility when you're selling a fire show by a troupe from Byron Bay !...
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I completely agree with you guy's - particularly Bender - But there is a flip side to it. Anyone who does this professionally should stay away from it. Anyone who puts hours of practice or invests time or money into costumes should not be wasting their time doing free shows. - They don't have the budget to hire me or other professionals then I tell them exactly what they are getting - a bunch of people who have no insurance, who may or may not show up on the night and won't necessarily look pretty doing what their doing
I agree regarding fire breathing and I'm not letting anyone who breaths do it with anything other that non toxic oil of their choice and they have to be experienced...and far away from everyone else if they are doing it. No-one should be wrecking their body, especially if they are not getting appropriate compensation. I am pushing for a token budget e.g. $50 a performer but it's difficult with the above restrictions.
By all means boycott - I have done so on many occasions in the past but reality is they will find a bunch of friend of the family / fans or other people who have just begun doing fire - quite possible injury them selves or the audience during the show and give a further bad name to the fire industry making it harder for professionals to get work - Do you know how many contacts for performances I get, only to have canceled at the last minute by a panicky venue manager due to a crazy fire scare story he has heard. I carry full insurance and am a trained pyrotechnic ion - you don't get more qualified than that - It doesn't faze me too much as their deposit is contraction ally non-refundable but it would be nice not to have to go through this ($^%^) due to unprofessional events.
Short and long is - if you are a professional then don't undervalue yourself - this is your career and your worth a lot. Just don't think that you can turn you back on jobs you don't think are worth it - you just get more negative media floating around making it harder for you to work. Ignoring something doesn't make it go away it makes it worse - take a hand in it and make it better from the inside or you are just perpetuating the myth of the stupid hippy.
- And people who don't do this for a career can and should do it for fun, which it is; that's why we do it. This is what it was about for all of us at one stage and it was experiences like these that made us - use you experiences to guild others through it rather than letting them get steped on going through it blind.
I completely agree with you guy's - particularly Bender - But there is a flip side to it. Anyone who does this professionally should stay away from it. Anyone who puts hours of practice or invests time or money into costumes should not be wasting their time doing free shows. - They don't have the budget to hire me or other professionals then I tell them exactly what they are getting - a bunch of people who have no insurance, who may or may not show up on the night and won't necessarily look pretty doing what their doing
I agree regarding fire breathing and I'm not letting anyone who breaths do it with anything other that non toxic oil of their choice and they have to be experienced...and far away from everyone else if they are doing it. No-one should be wrecking their body, especially if they are not getting appropriate compensation. I am pushing for a token budget e.g. $50 a performer but it's difficult with the above restrictions.
By all means boycott - I have done so on many occasions in the past but reality is they will find a bunch of friend of the family / fans or other people who have just begun doing fire - quite possible injury them selves or the audience during the show and give a further bad name to the fire industry making it harder for professionals to get work - Do you know how many contacts for performances I get, only to have canceled at the last minute by a panicky venue manager due to a crazy fire scare story he has heard. I carry full insurance and am a trained pyrotechnic ion - you don't get more qualified than that - It doesn't faze me too much as their deposit is contraction ally non-refundable but it would be nice not to have to go through this ($^%^) due to unprofessional events.
Short and long is - if you are a professional then don't undervalue yourself - this is your career and your worth a lot. Just don't think that you can turn you back on jobs you don't think are worth it - you just get more negative media floating around making it harder for you to work. Ignoring something doesn't make it go away it makes it worse - take a hand in it and make it better from the inside or you are just perpetuating the myth of the stupid hippy.
- And people who don't do this for a career can and should do it for fun, which it is; that's why we do it. This is what it was about for all of us at one stage and it was experiences like these that made us - use you experiences to guild others through it rather than letting them get steped on going through it blind.
âWhat are you creatures of Fantastica? Dreams, poetic inventions, characters in a neverending story.â
Gmork
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there is no way I would twirl for them.
there is no way I would twirl for them.
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Last yearâs CDOD had firedancers, therefore I conclude that it was not a last minute addition or a fan request thing, but something that carried on from last year.
Riiiiiiiiiiight, just like last yearâs fire dancers aye?
So then considering you care so deeply about our safety, will you be providing the specific oils/fuels that each fire breather requests?
Anyone who has put in hours of practice is everyone who considers themselves a firedancer!!! You wont find a firedancer that hasnât put in hours of practice! Unless you are bloody talented you have to put in hours of practice to be able to spin fire in the first place! If you ARE that bloody talented person then you are way above a show like this.
Excellent!!!! So the dude that melts his face or inhales the aspirated fuels can sue you (which is then your insurance company) for millions of dollars!!! But wait, if we sign a âquick disclaimerâ do we waive the right to sue your arse??? Something tells me maybe you donât care all that much about our safety.
What above restrictions???? Something about the way you post screams ex used car salesman.
AND BOYCOTT WE WILL!!!!!!!
I DECLARE A BOYCOTT ON THE CDOD FIREDANCING PERFORMANCE!!!!
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The Fire show was apparently a last minute addition to the show acting on some âfan requestâ thing they do which is why no budget was allocated
Last yearâs CDOD had firedancers, therefore I conclude that it was not a last minute addition or a fan request thing, but something that carried on from last year.
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I agree it would be nice to be paid but this one's just for the fun unfortunatly â There is supposed to be a budget for the next show so by all means put in a proposal for itâŠ
Riiiiiiiiiiight, just like last yearâs fire dancers aye?
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all fuel for the performances will be supplied.
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I agree regarding fire breathing and I'm not letting anyone who breaths do it with anything other that non toxic oil of their choice and they have to be experienced...and far away from everyone else if they are doing it.
So then considering you care so deeply about our safety, will you be providing the specific oils/fuels that each fire breather requests?
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Anyone who puts hours of practice or invests time or money into costumes should not be wasting their time doing free shows
Anyone who has put in hours of practice is everyone who considers themselves a firedancer!!! You wont find a firedancer that hasnât put in hours of practice! Unless you are bloody talented you have to put in hours of practice to be able to spin fire in the first place! If you ARE that bloody talented person then you are way above a show like this.
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No Insurance or qualifications required - you will probably need to sign a quick disclaimer saying that you participate of your own volition and they are not responsible for your actions etc
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I carry full insurance and am a trained pyrotechnic ion - you don't get more qualified than that
Excellent!!!! So the dude that melts his face or inhales the aspirated fuels can sue you (which is then your insurance company) for millions of dollars!!! But wait, if we sign a âquick disclaimerâ do we waive the right to sue your arse??? Something tells me maybe you donât care all that much about our safety.
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I am pushing for a token budget e.g. $50 a performer but it's difficult with the above restrictions.
What above restrictions???? Something about the way you post screams ex used car salesman.
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By all means boycott -
AND BOYCOTT WE WILL!!!!!!!
I DECLARE A BOYCOTT ON THE CDOD FIREDANCING PERFORMANCE!!!!
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Sorry Tyr, does not compute.
Do freebies for people who genuinely need or appreciate it.
$50 is not good compensation for firebreathing.
$50 (possible) 'token' does get you
You are asking on a public notice board for 50 poepl to turn up and spin - sounds like a crazy fire story to me.
Don't perpetuate the myth yourself Tyr - sort out a decent fire show and get a decent budget for it - in advance - with your contacts. So you know who is involved, what their skills are and exactly what you are sellling to this big internationall touring show. 50 random twirlers in the middle of a tight and well orchestrated show will look shitty. PLain and simple fact.
50 x twirlers @ $50 each = $2500. You can get a good fire show for that.
Yes I do still enjoy my job, but I don't do shows for free for people who can afford my time and won't pay for it. That's not fair on me, you or anyone else in the field.
I can and will turn my back on a job that I know will not value or respect what I have done for them.
It's great that you are trying to get a fat collective of spinners into a huge show for the great experience...but damn....
Sorry Tyr, does not compute.
Do freebies for people who genuinely need or appreciate it.
$50 is not good compensation for firebreathing.
$50 (possible) 'token' does get you
Quote:(and by this I honestly mean no disrespect to anyone who has planned to do this) also I see no notice for rehersals etc.. so what's the plan Tyr?
a bunch of people who have no insurance, who may or may not show up on the night and won't necessarily look pretty doing what their doing
You are asking on a public notice board for 50 poepl to turn up and spin - sounds like a crazy fire story to me.
Don't perpetuate the myth yourself Tyr - sort out a decent fire show and get a decent budget for it - in advance - with your contacts. So you know who is involved, what their skills are and exactly what you are sellling to this big internationall touring show. 50 random twirlers in the middle of a tight and well orchestrated show will look shitty. PLain and simple fact.
50 x twirlers @ $50 each = $2500. You can get a good fire show for that.
Yes I do still enjoy my job, but I don't do shows for free for people who can afford my time and won't pay for it. That's not fair on me, you or anyone else in the field.
I can and will turn my back on a job that I know will not value or respect what I have done for them.
It's great that you are trying to get a fat collective of spinners into a huge show for the great experience...but damn....
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Hey Tyr? Are you getting paid for your time and the effort you are putting into this?
Cheers!
Hey Tyr? Are you getting paid for your time and the effort you are putting into this?
Cheers!
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I'm happy to follow what you guys are doing. Boycott... or not. I've got the time free if you guys need some numbers.
That's if i'm good enough?
I'm happy to follow what you guys are doing. Boycott... or not. I've got the time free if you guys need some numbers.
That's if i'm good enough?
Geez, I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
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Yes last years show happened and from the info I was given it was a paid show but they could well be lying to me given info from puk â as I said earlier now is the time to speak if you missing payment, I canât do anything with speculation.
I know the girl whoâs request it was for this show to happen â she is 16 and wants to be in the show and the request was only answered about 2 weeks ago.
The event is less than a month away and if these guys planned to have a show left it this late to organize then they are pretty stupid and most things in that time frame never come together, especially without money â this show probably WONâT happen â hence I wouldnât even bother replying to this post except that I respect what you guys are saying but I do disagree â CDOD have NO details of anyone wanting to be part of the show â they will receive NO details until I am satisfied that all appropriate safety measures are met and I have in writing, what I accept to be satisfactory conditions for performers.
If you donât think a company is genuinely going to supply a budget for their next show and they are saying ther're going to - put it in writing that it is as a condition of the show you are doing â your working from left field and itâs not getting you anywhere.
Safety parameters are set up - the event itself will be much like twirling in the park with other twirlers except more space regimented for safety purposes â I donât want fire breatherâs at the event but it is a request by CDOD â I personally discourage this practice as there are much safer and healthier ways of producing the same effect. At the end of the day however it is what is being asked for - and it is an individuals personal choice if they want to do it - I used to love it till I found out how bad for me it was - and yes it is a condition that CDOD supply the best fuel available for breathers if they are going to do it.
I carry full insurance because it is the only way to work professionally â I am well aware that if I ever have to make a claim I would not get insurance again â The insurance is the formality and safety practices what makes a performance safe so donât tell me I donât care because Iâm hiding behind my insurance â Iâm not and Iâm well aware that even if I wanted to extend my cover to people performing I couldnât do it â and even if I could that wouldnât help anyone who got hurt - The only protection I can give them is making sure it is as hard as possible for something to go wrong and that is what Iâm doing.
Plenty of fire dances that have been playing in a park for 3 weeks decide they are good enough to perform and do showsâŠalbeit badly and unsafely and way too cheaply for the most part. Just because you are a good spinner doesnât mean you can perform â as you should well know there is a lot more to it. People like this get away with it for a while but eventually come unstuck and are the desaster stories that float around about people being hit with flaming sticks and nightclubs burning down.
BurningByron, you sound like someone who performs - if you do then I strongly surgest you look into the legality of what you are doing.
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I am pushing for a token budget e.g. $50 a performer but it's difficult with the above restrictions.
"What above restrictions???? Something about the way you post screams ex used car salesman"
Anyone receiving payment for a service of any kind by a company is considered by the law to be an individual contractor â if that contractor operates without insurance then the company employing them is liable. Hence no company will ever pay people like this unless they have a loop hole out of it âŠlike saying there going to pay people, relying on the performers to be too green to get any paperwork then leaving them high and dry after. Most fire-performers have had this experience and it happens because people like you are just floating along, happy to do the paying shows they get, knowing that there are other people out there getting duped into the less saviory shows your ignoring â You can say that I sound like a used car salesman but at least I do something more than shoot my mouth of on a forum and pat myself on the back about it â no offence, and I know you are probably taking offence.
I was exactly the same as you about two years ago â I thought I was the greatest thing out there and that I knew everything about fire performanceâŠI didn't, donât, I never will â there are plenty of better and more knowledgeable people out both performing and not. I know I can probably learn a lot from you and other performers and your opinions matter to me â But I canât stress enough â ignoring, boycotting, sidelining and sidestepping donât fix a (^&%$^) thing. They just perpetuate the problem youâre bitching about. ( and yes I am tring to find a way of sidestepping the above problem of payment and think Iâve found one before you go saying thatâs proof Iâm jibbing people)
Knoxious I agree with you - $2500 gets a decent 3 â 5 person show but in a venue this size it gets a bit lost â hence the numbers and yes they will look messy but it would be difficult to coordinate that many professionals yet alone people without group training hence the simple mass fire effect â that and people arenât getting paid to spend all their time learning a show theyâre doing for the fun of.
I know you guys donât agree and thatâs fine â if this show goes ahead I know if will not be as big a rip off fest as it usually is â if not, score one for the team and fingers crossed companies will start getting the message that they should respect other peoples professions and hire professionals rather and rely on freebies from people who have no incentive to show up.
Cheers and my respect goes out to you both.
Yes last years show happened and from the info I was given it was a paid show but they could well be lying to me given info from puk â as I said earlier now is the time to speak if you missing payment, I canât do anything with speculation.
I know the girl whoâs request it was for this show to happen â she is 16 and wants to be in the show and the request was only answered about 2 weeks ago.
The event is less than a month away and if these guys planned to have a show left it this late to organize then they are pretty stupid and most things in that time frame never come together, especially without money â this show probably WONâT happen â hence I wouldnât even bother replying to this post except that I respect what you guys are saying but I do disagree â CDOD have NO details of anyone wanting to be part of the show â they will receive NO details until I am satisfied that all appropriate safety measures are met and I have in writing, what I accept to be satisfactory conditions for performers.
If you donât think a company is genuinely going to supply a budget for their next show and they are saying ther're going to - put it in writing that it is as a condition of the show you are doing â your working from left field and itâs not getting you anywhere.
Safety parameters are set up - the event itself will be much like twirling in the park with other twirlers except more space regimented for safety purposes â I donât want fire breatherâs at the event but it is a request by CDOD â I personally discourage this practice as there are much safer and healthier ways of producing the same effect. At the end of the day however it is what is being asked for - and it is an individuals personal choice if they want to do it - I used to love it till I found out how bad for me it was - and yes it is a condition that CDOD supply the best fuel available for breathers if they are going to do it.
I carry full insurance because it is the only way to work professionally â I am well aware that if I ever have to make a claim I would not get insurance again â The insurance is the formality and safety practices what makes a performance safe so donât tell me I donât care because Iâm hiding behind my insurance â Iâm not and Iâm well aware that even if I wanted to extend my cover to people performing I couldnât do it â and even if I could that wouldnât help anyone who got hurt - The only protection I can give them is making sure it is as hard as possible for something to go wrong and that is what Iâm doing.
Plenty of fire dances that have been playing in a park for 3 weeks decide they are good enough to perform and do showsâŠalbeit badly and unsafely and way too cheaply for the most part. Just because you are a good spinner doesnât mean you can perform â as you should well know there is a lot more to it. People like this get away with it for a while but eventually come unstuck and are the desaster stories that float around about people being hit with flaming sticks and nightclubs burning down.
BurningByron, you sound like someone who performs - if you do then I strongly surgest you look into the legality of what you are doing.
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I am pushing for a token budget e.g. $50 a performer but it's difficult with the above restrictions.
"What above restrictions???? Something about the way you post screams ex used car salesman"
Anyone receiving payment for a service of any kind by a company is considered by the law to be an individual contractor â if that contractor operates without insurance then the company employing them is liable. Hence no company will ever pay people like this unless they have a loop hole out of it âŠlike saying there going to pay people, relying on the performers to be too green to get any paperwork then leaving them high and dry after. Most fire-performers have had this experience and it happens because people like you are just floating along, happy to do the paying shows they get, knowing that there are other people out there getting duped into the less saviory shows your ignoring â You can say that I sound like a used car salesman but at least I do something more than shoot my mouth of on a forum and pat myself on the back about it â no offence, and I know you are probably taking offence.
I was exactly the same as you about two years ago â I thought I was the greatest thing out there and that I knew everything about fire performanceâŠI didn't, donât, I never will â there are plenty of better and more knowledgeable people out both performing and not. I know I can probably learn a lot from you and other performers and your opinions matter to me â But I canât stress enough â ignoring, boycotting, sidelining and sidestepping donât fix a (^&%$^) thing. They just perpetuate the problem youâre bitching about. ( and yes I am tring to find a way of sidestepping the above problem of payment and think Iâve found one before you go saying thatâs proof Iâm jibbing people)
Knoxious I agree with you - $2500 gets a decent 3 â 5 person show but in a venue this size it gets a bit lost â hence the numbers and yes they will look messy but it would be difficult to coordinate that many professionals yet alone people without group training hence the simple mass fire effect â that and people arenât getting paid to spend all their time learning a show theyâre doing for the fun of.
I know you guys donât agree and thatâs fine â if this show goes ahead I know if will not be as big a rip off fest as it usually is â if not, score one for the team and fingers crossed companies will start getting the message that they should respect other peoples professions and hire professionals rather and rely on freebies from people who have no incentive to show up.
Cheers and my respect goes out to you both.
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After reading this I am thinking that CDOD is NEVER going to pay for the performances.
Get real I mean seriously if it is that much of a liability (which lets face it fire tiwlring with its high risk is) then why would they ever even contemplate putting money in the pockets of the performers.
And in defence of Burning Byron who is one of the group of twirlers that I twirl with...he is very professsional when it comes to performing and is a nice person to know and to pass judgement on him like you did is very unprofessional.
Please don't pass judgement on people you know nothing about.
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Anyone receiving payment for a service of any kind by a company is considered by the law to be an individual contractor â if that contractor operates without insurance then the company employing them is liable.
After reading this I am thinking that CDOD is NEVER going to pay for the performances.
Get real I mean seriously if it is that much of a liability (which lets face it fire tiwlring with its high risk is) then why would they ever even contemplate putting money in the pockets of the performers.
And in defence of Burning Byron who is one of the group of twirlers that I twirl with...he is very professsional when it comes to performing and is a nice person to know and to pass judgement on him like you did is very unprofessional.
Please don't pass judgement on people you know nothing about.
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Iv seen fottage of their performers in the States, there is no way you can tell me they did it for free...1 guy was blowing the hugest fireballs iv ever seen!!!
Boycott and Ban. And tell all your friends to tell their friends, friends...
Iv seen fottage of their performers in the States, there is no way you can tell me they did it for free...1 guy was blowing the hugest fireballs iv ever seen!!!
Boycott and Ban. And tell all your friends to tell their friends, friends...
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Agree with you there on all counts Medusa!
Also wanted to add that a friend did the Crustys show last year, didn't get paid for it, but had an absolute ball, loved the experiance, and would do it again in a heartbeat.
Agree with you there on all counts Medusa!
Also wanted to add that a friend did the Crustys show last year, didn't get paid for it, but had an absolute ball, loved the experiance, and would do it again in a heartbeat.
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Puk their word is they have toured (read paid) 4 people and you weren't named as one of them - I would like to here what you have to say - could you please call me.
No I mean no disrespect to Burning Byron - I'm sure he is an excellent guy and a great performer but he is also critiquing matters he hasnât looking in to - all I'm saying is that there is a lot more to it. - No it doesn't conclude no payment it just means you have to do what they do and be cunning about the way you get around it - A bunch of feral friends of mine are the best example I can think of - they advertised and held a huge rave party not so long ago - they had no liquor license and couldn't serve alcohol. They ended up selling raffle tickets on the night - Something stupid like 'A carrot' I believe was the prize for winning the raffle, but with each raffle ticket people got a free drink. No sale of alcohol took place that night - but a lot of raffle tickets where sold and pleanty of people got drunk. It's all about the angle you come from.
Puk their word is they have toured (read paid) 4 people and you weren't named as one of them - I would like to here what you have to say - could you please call me.
No I mean no disrespect to Burning Byron - I'm sure he is an excellent guy and a great performer but he is also critiquing matters he hasnât looking in to - all I'm saying is that there is a lot more to it. - No it doesn't conclude no payment it just means you have to do what they do and be cunning about the way you get around it - A bunch of feral friends of mine are the best example I can think of - they advertised and held a huge rave party not so long ago - they had no liquor license and couldn't serve alcohol. They ended up selling raffle tickets on the night - Something stupid like 'A carrot' I believe was the prize for winning the raffle, but with each raffle ticket people got a free drink. No sale of alcohol took place that night - but a lot of raffle tickets where sold and pleanty of people got drunk. It's all about the angle you come from.
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Still sounds like the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard.
By your own words...if paying a person makes them liable for any injuries sustained during the period of time they are paid for them why would that waste their time paying us. The insurance risk is too high....and I hardly think that raffle tickets for alcohol is the same as the risk taken by a fire twirler in a performance.
And I still find it highly suss that even though they were twirling last year it was only a "last minute" decision this year.
Still sounds like the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard.
By your own words...if paying a person makes them liable for any injuries sustained during the period of time they are paid for them why would that waste their time paying us. The insurance risk is too high....and I hardly think that raffle tickets for alcohol is the same as the risk taken by a fire twirler in a performance.
And I still find it highly suss that even though they were twirling last year it was only a "last minute" decision this year.
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How patronising. You have do not know who I am, all I have done is present inconsistancies in your arguement, it gives you no basis to assume you know.
The shows I choose to do are very well payed under my own conditions (which include very strict safety standards), by walking away from dodgy performances I am setting a precedent for others to do the same, to accept the dodgy performances I would be going against my own integrity. I have accepted performances only to have found that the condititions were not as described (mostly safety) and had to say no on the night. This is not leaving the "less saviory shows" to the others, it is setting a precedent that I would hope others would follow.
I totally disagree, from our perspective little else can be done when a corporation like this tries to set up such a unprofessional fire show. We can only show by example.
The quotes I posted earlier were not meant as a direct attack on you but more so to point out the inconsistancies in what you are saying.
If you provide a more professional set up and more reliable paying condititions I will support what you are doing whole heartedly, until you do though....
I will BOYCOTT.
I challenge you to create a more professional set up for this performance. Set an example for others to follow, set a precedent. We can use this opportunity as a something constructive for the fire crews out there.
Lets hear what is needed for this show to be considered professional, safe and respectful to the fire dancing community.
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I was exactly the same as you about two years ago
How patronising. You have do not know who I am, all I have done is present inconsistancies in your arguement, it gives you no basis to assume you know.
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Most fire-performers have had this experience and it happens because people like you are just floating along, happy to do the paying shows they get, knowing that there are other people out there getting duped into the less saviory shows your ignoring
The shows I choose to do are very well payed under my own conditions (which include very strict safety standards), by walking away from dodgy performances I am setting a precedent for others to do the same, to accept the dodgy performances I would be going against my own integrity. I have accepted performances only to have found that the condititions were not as described (mostly safety) and had to say no on the night. This is not leaving the "less saviory shows" to the others, it is setting a precedent that I would hope others would follow.
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But I canât stress enough â ignoring, boycotting, sidelining and sidestepping donât fix a (^&%$^) thing.
I totally disagree, from our perspective little else can be done when a corporation like this tries to set up such a unprofessional fire show. We can only show by example.
The quotes I posted earlier were not meant as a direct attack on you but more so to point out the inconsistancies in what you are saying.
If you provide a more professional set up and more reliable paying condititions I will support what you are doing whole heartedly, until you do though....
I will BOYCOTT.
I challenge you to create a more professional set up for this performance. Set an example for others to follow, set a precedent. We can use this opportunity as a something constructive for the fire crews out there.
Lets hear what is needed for this show to be considered professional, safe and respectful to the fire dancing community.
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...exactly.
I've been thingking about this thread since I posted last and had distilled the essence of my feelings/argument in my last post and this is really what it came down to: setting a bad precedent. *Thankyou BurningByron for beating me to it*
I like the positive slant on the end...
(all IMHO)
Professional? Anything with obvious organisation gone in to it. Some kind of costuming throughout the group. Some level of choreography - it'd wouldn't necersserly need to be synchronised, but a clear aesthetic game plan would be in the right direction.
A particular song that everyone knew and had practiced the group choreo to. Is a start for me at 2am..
Safe? I think that is covered in many previous discussions and Tyr seems to be pretty clear on his safety stance.
Respectful to the community? A professional (read above) performance being presented to show that fire dancing is a valid form of entertainment and art. Something that creates a respect for the scene.
But really it's about setitng a precedent.
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I challenge you to create a more professional set up for this performance. Set an example for others to follow, set a precedent. We can use this opportunity as a something constructive for the fire crews out there.
...exactly.
I've been thingking about this thread since I posted last and had distilled the essence of my feelings/argument in my last post and this is really what it came down to: setting a bad precedent. *Thankyou BurningByron for beating me to it
*I like the positive slant on the end...
(all IMHO)
Professional? Anything with obvious organisation gone in to it. Some kind of costuming throughout the group. Some level of choreography - it'd wouldn't necersserly need to be synchronised, but a clear aesthetic game plan would be in the right direction.
A particular song that everyone knew and had practiced the group choreo to. Is a start for me at 2am..
Safe? I think that is covered in many previous discussions and Tyr seems to be pretty clear on his safety stance.
Respectful to the community? A professional (read above) performance being presented to show that fire dancing is a valid form of entertainment and art. Something that creates a respect for the scene.
But really it's about setitng a precedent.
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Posted:
'sup mr knox?
i'd be boycotting this one too if i wasn't already geographically challenged....
R
'sup mr knox?
i'd be boycotting this one too if i wasn't already geographically challenged....
R Holistic Spinner (I hope)
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I am pleased to announce there will be a budget for this event âŠthanks guys! - Final details will follow soon. (It won't be huge but it will be there!)
Budget will appear in the form of a âthank you store creditâ for a major fire supplies store . Please note this âstore creditâ can not, and is not to be construed or interpreted in any way, shape of form as payment Each performer will also receive a free $80 ticket for a friend to come and see them at the second show. A safety Buffer area of 3 meters cubed+ will be in place from the crowd and all crusty demons performers sign wavers saying itâs not your problem if you hit themâŠDONâT but if you do accidentally you arenât liable. The venue itself will be covered in dirt and canât catch on fire â and being the sort of show it is there will be plenty of fire safety equipment on site should the unforeseeable occur.
Those of you who are under 18 and have been emailing me â YES you can perform but you must get a parental consent form signed. Iâll post the full details on amount for store credit once paperwork signed and finalised but in the mean time it looks like there will either be a cut off at 50 performers for the âstore creditâ; or people who are participating can elect to have they amount evenly distributed among attendees â currently first in best dressed and decision will be upon to first 50 on if they want to share or not. â So get in quick.
Email me ASAP if you want to be a part of it. (See first post)
P.s. There will also be an additional budget for 20 of these people who want to arrive a bit early and be part of the derelict / industrial theme . People wanted to play / act as âhomeless peopleâ displayed around entrance area for atmospheric purposes and a small amount of crowd interaction. Price still being negociated but again email me quick if interested (give me an idea of want you want to do it if possable).
I am pleased to announce there will be a budget for this event âŠthanks guys! - Final details will follow soon. (It won't be huge but it will be there!)
Budget will appear in the form of a âthank you store creditâ for a major fire supplies store . Please note this âstore creditâ can not, and is not to be construed or interpreted in any way, shape of form as payment Each performer will also receive a free $80 ticket for a friend to come and see them at the second show. A safety Buffer area of 3 meters cubed+ will be in place from the crowd and all crusty demons performers sign wavers saying itâs not your problem if you hit themâŠDONâT but if you do accidentally you arenât liable. The venue itself will be covered in dirt and canât catch on fire â and being the sort of show it is there will be plenty of fire safety equipment on site should the unforeseeable occur.
Those of you who are under 18 and have been emailing me â YES you can perform but you must get a parental consent form signed. Iâll post the full details on amount for store credit once paperwork signed and finalised but in the mean time it looks like there will either be a cut off at 50 performers for the âstore creditâ; or people who are participating can elect to have they amount evenly distributed among attendees â currently first in best dressed and decision will be upon to first 50 on if they want to share or not. â So get in quick.
Email me ASAP if you want to be a part of it. (See first post)
P.s. There will also be an additional budget for 20 of these people who want to arrive a bit early and be part of the derelict / industrial theme . People wanted to play / act as âhomeless peopleâ displayed around entrance area for atmospheric purposes and a small amount of crowd interaction. Price still being negociated but again email me quick if interested (give me an idea of want you want to do it if possable).
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