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Polifecio


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Location: Mexico

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Posted:I think that the world with one roligion or without religion will be the perfect one.
I am jew and my girlfrend ubblove isnt so if my parents finds out they will f**ck spank me
what do you think about this??
and if you are jew please answer
peace

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coleman
SILVER Member since Aug 2002

coleman

big and good and broken
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay

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No, religion does not inherently promote ignorance and lack of logic. I know Christianity doesn't.





how does christian creationism agree with neo-darwinism then?

i have seen no logical argument for creationism.

ever.



i think christianity does promote a certain degree of ignorance in the context that it starts with a premise that can never be questioned i.e. there is a almighty, all-powerful creator called 'god'.



using the example above, this has the result that you cannot get into a logical argument over the origin of species with devout christians since their argument is based on blind faith, not logic.





the fact that religion requires unquestioning faith breeds intolerance.

most religions contend that theirs is the one true faith and this means that you immediately have a situation where (like it or not) the followers consider anyone not of the same faith to be unenlightened non-believers (or 'heathens').

aloofness rules the roost here and for the most dedicated followers this inevitably results in extreme actions based on the fact that non-believers (or worse believers of another faith) are wrong.



a belief set that promotes discussion on *all* tenets does not lead to a justification of actions like the ones carried out by fundamental believers of the major religions.

you cannot have a fundamentalist who questions the teachings of his faith.



and finally, i don't believe you can argue that the human race would be violent if religions did not exist.

without religion our species would have developed in ways we can never imagine.

there is no way to speculate on the nature of humans without these belief systems as they are ingrained so far into our history that they are often the only things we know about ancient cultures.



the human race without religion would not be the species we know today.

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Dunc
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Dunc

playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands

Total posts: 7263
Posted:So seeing as a lot of this seems to be turning towards christianity I have a question based on whether its religion or people who actually suck.....



Christian "God" is the creator...he allegedly made everything...Adam....Eve....The Apples....the 1st Angel.....emotions....etc etc etc.....so if it's the people who suck, well, they were created by God, God is the creator of the religion....thus is it religion..thus God...who actually sucks?!



How can man be blamed if we are all subject to gods will upon creation and HE and only HE has given us the ability to have will for destruction and suffering without empathy?! confused


Let's relight this forum ubblove

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Same as Dostoevskiy

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Location: vodka-country... and it's VERY...

Total posts: 54
Posted:THE ONE THING THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK OF, IS THAT gOD GAVE MAN Wwill TO CHOOSE TO SUCK OR NOT TO SUCK...
THE CHOISE IS YOURS...


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Dunc
GOLD Member since Aug 2003

Dunc

playing the days away
Location: The Middle lands

Total posts: 7263
Posted:Yes I did. God gave man that will...God gave man bad thoughts....God put the apple there.....God created evil...we're just using the things God gave us....be they nice or not they're all apparently created by God....he must contain elements of evil too as all his actions are deliberate....we're created in his image....so if God created evil then religion sucks not man....

Let's relight this forum ubblove

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GottaLoveIt


GottaLoveIt

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created by God....he must contain elements of evil too as all his actions are deliberate....



The thing that gets me is this - this isn't against a religion, just some people I know. They believe whole heartedly in God, but they do not accept the existance of the Devil. Surely you have to believe in both to be able to believe in the one?
The whole idea of balance gets knocked off by this and i have yet to understand where they think the evil in their world comes from

On the above question, it depends which way you believe - God created people or people created God... I don't think there will ever be a solid answer for the entire world to accept because there's no proof but people are still entitled to their own opinion with or without proof and I'm happy sitting where I am biggrin


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Punkassemob***h


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Location: Deepest darkest Devon

Total posts: 58
Posted:Join my religion today!

The commandments

1.Do what you think is sensible, or if not sensible fun for spectators to watch.

1. Don't accept a 'truth' that is obviously a metaphor or very silly.

3. Pay me a tribute for being your spiritual father in chocolate milk (Yazoo is not acceptable)

4. Vote Biffy.

Who wants to join? Orderly queue please, no shoving at the back.



p.s There is a god. It's Morgan Freeman. The T.V told me so it must be true.


You can always spot the moral victor.
They're the one bleeding on the ground.

EVIL DOES NOT WEAR A BONNET!- Mr Tinklestein

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GottaLoveIt


GottaLoveIt

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Location: Stevenage

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p.s There is a god. It's Morgan Freeman. The T.V told me so it must be true.



But the TV told me it was Alanis Morisette!


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Punkassemob***h


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Location: Deepest darkest Devon

Total posts: 58
Posted:It's been leading us both on! Join my religion, and we can go on a 'holy' war against T.V. A purely non-violent one of course, just us grumbling at everyone and eating chocolate cookies in a anarchistic way.
p.s I'm sorry to the individuals who started this as a serious thread, feel free to banish me, but remember who brought into being...


You can always spot the moral victor.
They're the one bleeding on the ground.

EVIL DOES NOT WEAR A BONNET!- Mr Tinklestein

Mon the Biffy.

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ieuan
BRONZE Member since Sep 2003

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Location: Upstate, NY

Total posts: 110
Posted:I'm not really into huge apologetics, but I'll put my two cents in anyway biggrin

I am 25(in two days) and raised a christian. God revealed himself to me when I was 19, and I've had things happen that to me that I can only explain as God, so I personally believe. On the other hand I have been screwed by the very people in the church that claim to "christians'. I was back stabbed, bad mouthed, and unoficially kicked out, after 10 years of doing music cause certain people didn't agree of like what I thought or had to say. Now I'm not gonna chalk it up as God's fault, cause some people are mean and nasty and miserable with themselves and have to make hurt other to feel good, or justify their own means. I don't hate them, or wish ill on them, I feel sorry that they can't look outside the box, and see another realm of possibility. No one can possibly know everything, so no one can make a final say on what is right or wrong. I will say what I believe to be true but the botton line is just as much as I think I'm right, so does the next guy. I agree with the other posts. Alot of good has been done in the name of religion, so has alot of evil. This goes for any cause. Some argue that faith is the bane of our existance, but faith in something, whether God or anything else, holds the overall tide of evil at bay. Although I believe that people are born inherently evil(just my opinion, not stating a fact), there is something deep inside that longs to see good be done, and evil overcome. I may add more thoughts to this at a later time(cause this deserves more explanation), but I gotta go cause I'm at work and I actually have to do some work biggrin biggrin Peace and love to all. Just cause I don't agree with ya, doesn't mean I don't love ya!! ubblove





Ps, although at work, between constanly being obsessed with my own mortality(I want to die in a huge dramatic explosion of some kind) and spinning fire, they wonder what religion I truly belong to(muuhahahahhahaha0pay homage to him who walks between the rows!). One of my co-workers said if I started a religion she would be my first disciple tongue

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frostypaw


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Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent

Total posts: 643
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Some argue that faith is the bane of our existance, but faith in something, whether God or anything else, holds the overall tide of evil at bay.


Surely not being an arsehole holds the evil at bay - faith irrelevant?

I know some very good people who do a lot of good work holding 'evil at bay' but... religion not required. Sorry to hear ya think we're born evil frown


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spiralx


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Location: London, UK

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Posted:My ex was Jewish and believe me her parents didn't like her not going out with a Jew. It wasn't even that they didn't like me per se, just that I wasn't Jewish rolleyes And these weren't even very religious people... it was more of a cultural bias and one that seems fairly common in the Jewish community from what I've heard from various friends.

As for religion the reason it started was as a method of control - sharing a religion is a way to bond a far larger group of people together than just the extended family. Plus it helps you to exclude other groups.


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ieuan
BRONZE Member since Sep 2003

holy man
Location: Upstate, NY

Total posts: 110
Posted:Oh, no doubt. I just meant that for some, religion helps them be less of an arse to others biggrin Course a little peace and beerchugmakes people less whore-ish too.
Someone slide me a Tom Collins ubblol


Gather your harps from the willow trees, dust off the ancient strings. Call the bards and prophets, let them sing healing and freedom. Let light and love flow from the strings, colors of revelation.

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